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PostPosted: Thu Jun 13, 2019 11:36 am    Post subject:

The most expensive jockstrap on Amazon is 100 dollars.

I'm waiting to see if Jack will call out Bynum for saying Ingram and Lonzo aren't worth 100 dollars.

My guess is he won't.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 13, 2019 11:39 am    Post subject:

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I think you can make a point without warping stats in bad faith, but you do you.


I'm not warping stats... I'm literally transposing them directly from basketball reference.

I hope you apply the same stringent editorial standards to posters who don't make similar distinctions between BI's poor FT shooting vs poor shooting from the field... but why does it feel like you won't bother.


"Ingram is a bad shooter" is just as non-sensical as "Ingram is just as good as Kobe if you conveniently ignore these other, better metrics." You don't defeat their mistruth with biased data, you beat it by making a full and complete case. To your point, if I see someone say that Ingram is flatly a 'bad shooter' I'll call them out all the same.


My point is that everyone uses shorthand to express their points.

So because I'm aware of the bias... I'm perpetuating a nefarious disinformation campaign, while the more stupid are excused for being ignorant?

I never said Ingram is as good as Kobe... I said he's less athletic.

What I said is his effective field goal percentage is better... and that is empirically true.

For some reason you decided I should be held to a higher editorial standard than a large percentage of the board.

It shuts people up when they see Kobe shoots worse than Ingram

If I was submitting a doctoral thesis... yes, this would be terrible form.

But when you are debating a lot of thick people who only understand broadly drawn strokes... sometimes you need to sensationalize to penetrate their thought process.

I wish the nuances of TS% vs. eFG% vs FG% weren't lost on them... but all they say in a loop is Ingram is a bad shooter... and it requires anti heroic measures to shock them out of their stupidity.


Cool. Let's leave it at that. No ill will, my dude.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 13, 2019 11:41 am    Post subject:

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Jack's Room wrote:
Sentient Meat wrote:
Jack's Room wrote:


I think you can make a point without warping stats in bad faith, but you do you.


I'm not warping stats... I'm literally transposing them directly from basketball reference.

I hope you apply the same stringent editorial standards to posters who don't make similar distinctions between BI's poor FT shooting vs poor shooting from the field... but why does it feel like you won't bother.


"Ingram is a bad shooter" is just as non-sensical as "Ingram is just as good as Kobe if you conveniently ignore these other, better metrics." You don't defeat their mistruth with biased data, you beat it by making a full and complete case. To your point, if I see someone say that Ingram is flatly a 'bad shooter' I'll call them out all the same.


My point is that everyone uses shorthand to express their points.

So because I'm aware of the bias... I'm perpetuating a nefarious disinformation campaign, while the more stupid are excused for being ignorant?

I never said Ingram is as good as Kobe... I said he's less athletic.

What I said is his effective field goal percentage is better... and that is empirically true.

For some reason you decided I should be held to a higher editorial standard than a large percentage of the board.

It shuts people up when they see Kobe shoots worse than Ingram

If I was submitting a doctoral thesis... yes, this would be terrible form.

But when you are debating a lot of thick people who only understand broadly drawn strokes... sometimes you need to sensationalize to penetrate their thought process.

I wish the nuances of TS% vs. eFG% vs FG% weren't lost on them... but all they say in a loop is Ingram is a bad shooter... and it requires anti heroic measures to shock them out of their stupidity.


Cool. Let's leave it at that. No ill will, my dude.


Same... I know your heart is in the right place... and I'd agree with you 100% in an academic setting.

Unfortunately this isn't one.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 13, 2019 11:42 am    Post subject:

Sentient Meat wrote:
Jack's Room wrote:
Sentient Meat wrote:
Jack's Room wrote:
Sentient Meat wrote:
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I think you can make a point without warping stats in bad faith, but you do you.


I'm not warping stats... I'm literally transposing them directly from basketball reference.

I hope you apply the same stringent editorial standards to posters who don't make similar distinctions between BI's poor FT shooting vs poor shooting from the field... but why does it feel like you won't bother.


"Ingram is a bad shooter" is just as non-sensical as "Ingram is just as good as Kobe if you conveniently ignore these other, better metrics." You don't defeat their mistruth with biased data, you beat it by making a full and complete case. To your point, if I see someone say that Ingram is flatly a 'bad shooter' I'll call them out all the same.


My point is that everyone uses shorthand to express their points.

So because I'm aware of the bias... I'm perpetuating a nefarious disinformation campaign, while the more stupid are excused for being ignorant?

I never said Ingram is as good as Kobe... I said he's less athletic.

What I said is his effective field goal percentage is better... and that is empirically true.

For some reason you decided I should be held to a higher editorial standard than a large percentage of the board.

It shuts people up when they see Kobe shoots worse than Ingram

If I was submitting a doctoral thesis... yes, this would be terrible form.

But when you are debating a lot of thick people who only understand broadly drawn strokes... sometimes you need to sensationalize to penetrate their thought process.

I wish the nuances of TS% vs. eFG% vs FG% weren't lost on them... but all they say in a loop is Ingram is a bad shooter... and it requires anti heroic measures to shock them out of their stupidity.


Cool. Let's leave it at that. No ill will, my dude.


Same... I know your heart is in the right place... and I'd agree with you 100% in an academic setting.

Unfortunately this isn't one.


The only reason I hold you to a higher standard is because I know you're a smart guy. I DO IT BECAUSE I CARE ABOUT YOU, SENTIENT!
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 13, 2019 11:43 am    Post subject:

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The only reason I hold you to a higher standard is because I know you're a smart guy. I DO IT BECAUSE I CARE ABOUT YOU, SENTIENT!


lol...
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 13, 2019 11:46 am    Post subject:

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Again... I'd agree with this if other posters were referring to Ingram as a bad free throw shooter and not a bad shooter.

Very few bother to say TS%... which was still decent in spite of his FT shooting.

He's good at getting to the line... if he gets his FT up to 75%... gets his 3 point average to somewhere between 39% last year and 33% this year... he'll be a good all around shooter.

But I will continue to troll with eFG% as long as the vast majority of posters call him a bad shooter... instead of a bad foul shooter.





At this point, both his eFG% and TS are about average or slightly below average compared to the rest of the league.

He's been up and down as a three-point shooter, so I don't think we can predict how he will do in the future. I also don't see how anyone can predict/assume he'll have a significant improvement at the line.

So I am fine with anyone who evaluates Ingram based on his actual performance; evaluating based on an assumption of shooting improvement doesn't make sense to me.

At this point, I don't see any justification for considering him a good shooter. Average shooter is about as high as I'd go.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 13, 2019 11:52 am    Post subject:

Checking in. Would prefer to keep Ingram first, Zo second, Kuz third. Would be a letdown to lose both Ingram and Zo but ultimately Kuz would be a respectable consolation prize, a solid fit with Bron/AD/3rd max and a good player moving forward. But looking ahead at the possibility of an AD/BI core in the future, it would be disappointing for me if he had to be a casualty.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 13, 2019 11:53 am    Post subject:

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The most expensive jockstrap on Amazon is 100 dollars.

I'm waiting to see if Jack will call out Bynum for saying Ingram and Lonzo aren't worth 100 dollars.

My guess is he won't.

Um actually, I said Anthony Davis' jockstrap which would add some value to it. I'm sure you could sell an autographed jockstrap for much more.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 13, 2019 12:45 pm    Post subject:

Are we trading for two forwards with bad shoulders? Davis stayed relatively healthy between 2016-17 and 2017-18, missing 14 combined g Davis averaged 28.5 points which were career highs. He has had shoulder injuries and contusions throughout his career. The Pelicans don't want to trade for another injured player. Kuzma, Ball, Hart, 4th overall pick in 2019 NBA Draft and a future unprotected pick is New Orleans Pelicans’ counter offer to Los Angeles Lakers.

The Ingram injury is very serious after reading more about the details. The idea of moving Kuzma and the 4th pick for more walking wounded is too risky. If I was Jeanie I would ignore the pressure from the Pelicans and draft the best talent available in the draft. Lebrow is a sexy idea but too risky with a broken Ingram and a injury prone AD. You simply can't trade Kyle Kuzma he will be even better this season. I imagine the top tier free agents will understand the Lakers not moving healthy young players. BTW Wha't horrible about Javele McGee and drafting another young defensive specialist?

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 13, 2019 12:54 pm    Post subject:

activeverb wrote:
Sentient Meat wrote:

Again... I'd agree with this if other posters were referring to Ingram as a bad free throw shooter and not a bad shooter.

Very few bother to say TS%... which was still decent in spite of his FT shooting.

He's good at getting to the line... if he gets his FT up to 75%... gets his 3 point average to somewhere between 39% last year and 33% this year... he'll be a good all around shooter.

But I will continue to troll with eFG% as long as the vast majority of posters call him a bad shooter... instead of a bad foul shooter.


At this point, both his eFG% and TS are about average or slightly below average compared to the rest of the league.

He's been up and down as a three-point shooter, so I don't think we can predict how he will do in the future. I also don't see how anyone can predict/assume he'll have a significant improvement at the line.

So I am fine with anyone who evaluates Ingram based on his actual performance; evaluating based on an assumption of shooting improvement doesn't make sense to me.

At this point, I don't see any justification for considering him a good shooter. Average shooter is about as high as I'd go.


Then in the spirit of our debate... average shooter, above average iso scorer is fair.

But let's face it... almost everyone just lazily calls him a bad shooter.

That is what I was complaining about.

It's not dramatic to call him a slightly above average midrange shooter, above average iso shooter... it has more bite if you just call him a poor shooter.

So that's what the average, low quality poster rolls with.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 13, 2019 12:58 pm    Post subject:

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The most expensive jockstrap on Amazon is 100 dollars.

I'm waiting to see if Jack will call out Bynum for saying Ingram and Lonzo aren't worth 100 dollars.

My guess is he won't.

Um actually, I said Anthony Davis' jockstrap which would add some value to it. I'm sure you could sell an autographed jockstrap for much more.


The most valuable autographed jockstrap on eBay is a Super Troopers one for 170... so maybe for AD... a thousand?

My point still stands... lol
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activeverb wrote:
Sentient Meat wrote:

Again... I'd agree with this if other posters were referring to Ingram as a bad free throw shooter and not a bad shooter.

Very few bother to say TS%... which was still decent in spite of his FT shooting.

He's good at getting to the line... if he gets his FT up to 75%... gets his 3 point average to somewhere between 39% last year and 33% this year... he'll be a good all around shooter.

But I will continue to troll with eFG% as long as the vast majority of posters call him a bad shooter... instead of a bad foul shooter.


At this point, both his eFG% and TS are about average or slightly below average compared to the rest of the league.

He's been up and down as a three-point shooter, so I don't think we can predict how he will do in the future. I also don't see how anyone can predict/assume he'll have a significant improvement at the line.

So I am fine with anyone who evaluates Ingram based on his actual performance; evaluating based on an assumption of shooting improvement doesn't make sense to me.

At this point, I don't see any justification for considering him a good shooter. Average shooter is about as high as I'd go.


Then in the spirit of our debate... average shooter, above average iso scorer is fair.

But let's face it... almost everyone just lazily calls him a bad shooter.

That is what I was complaining about.

It's not dramatic to call him a slightly above average midrange shooter, above average iso shooter... it has more bite if you just call him a poor shooter.

So that's what the average, low quality poster rolls with.



A lot of people, whether pro or con for a guy, lean on hyberbola. Unfortunately, that's the way of the Internet. People feel they have to go over the top to get noticed. A guy is either a Hall of Famer or a C-leaguer. The nuanced, middle ground is too much work for many people.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 13, 2019 1:25 pm    Post subject:

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Walk away from the table.

Ingram put up 18.3/5.1/3 last season and really started clicking before the end of his season. He'll be putting up Bradley Beal numbers next year while being a 2-way player.

Lonzo has 2 unique skills in the ability to raise the level of players around him while being a stellar defender at the point.

Kuzma put up nearly 18.7/5.5/2.5 in his second season.

If you look at the LeBron's past championship teams, you'll find those squads had only one player besides LeBron averaging 19.6 ppg or better (Kyrie 19.6/3/4.7, Wade 21.2/5/5.1, Wade 22.1/4.8/4.6). We already have that in place. The 3rd leading scorers on those squads averaged between 16 and 18 ppg. We also already have that in place. And we still have space to add a max or near max player via free agency.


Excellent post đź‘Ť. Hopefully Pelinka is fully aware of this and wasn't just bluffing at the draft lottery when he said the Lakers were comfortable keeping the pick and continuing to build in the event that they couldn't reach a trade.
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If you look at the LeBron's past championship teams, you'll find those squads had only one player besides LeBron averaging 19.6 ppg or better (Kyrie 19.6/3/4.7, Wade 21.2/5/5.1, Wade 22.1/4.8/4.6). We already have that in place. The 3rd leading scorers on those squads averaged between 16 and 18 ppg. We also already have that in place. And we still have space to add a max or near max player via free agency.



Lebron's championship teams played at a much slower pace than last years Lakers, meaning they had fewer shots and points to spread around. So I question whether this is the best way to compare the players on the respective teams.

I don't buy the notion that last year's Ingram and Kuzma were equivalent to Wade and Bosh on the Heat ring teams or Irving and Love on the Cavs ring team.
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activeverb wrote:
Mege wrote:

If you look at the LeBron's past championship teams, you'll find those squads had only one player besides LeBron averaging 19.6 ppg or better (Kyrie 19.6/3/4.7, Wade 21.2/5/5.1, Wade 22.1/4.8/4.6). We already have that in place. The 3rd leading scorers on those squads averaged between 16 and 18 ppg. We also already have that in place. And we still have space to add a max or near max player via free agency.



Lebron's championship teams played at a much slower pace than last years Lakers, meaning they had fewer shots and points to spread around. So I question whether this is the best way to compare the players on the respective teams.

I don't buy the notion that last year's Ingram and Kuzma were equivalent to Wade and Bosh on the Heat ring teams or Irving and Love on the Cavs ring team.


Both Wade and Irving were dynamic perimeter players who could create their own shot.

Ingram, Kuzma, maybe Garland or Culver would cumulatively create a perimeter threat... while AD would take the Bosh role,

If you keep #4 or Lonzo... if you sign Kyrie or Kemba... then you can see a team with LBJ/AD plus the perimeter threat challenging for a title.

If you trade your point guards... if you trade your long wings... if you can't sign either Kyrie or Kemba (which looks unlikely based on recent news)

How is AD going to flourish with maybe Rondo/Caruso at point and LBJ?

There is a huge difference between those two teams... and an AD/LBJ without a great point guard or dynamic wing scorer.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 13, 2019 3:22 pm    Post subject:

activeverb wrote:
Mege wrote:

If you look at the LeBron's past championship teams, you'll find those squads had only one player besides LeBron averaging 19.6 ppg or better (Kyrie 19.6/3/4.7, Wade 21.2/5/5.1, Wade 22.1/4.8/4.6). We already have that in place. The 3rd leading scorers on those squads averaged between 16 and 18 ppg. We also already have that in place. And we still have space to add a max or near max player via free agency.



Lebron's championship teams played at a much slower pace than last years Lakers, meaning they had fewer shots and points to spread around. So I question whether this is the best way to compare the players on the respective teams.

I don't buy the notion that last year's Ingram and Kuzma were equivalent to Wade and Bosh on the Heat ring teams or Irving and Love on the Cavs ring team.


I'd say it's fair to consider the pace of play. And I don't consider last year's Ingram and Kuz to be the equivalent of Wade and Bosh. That said, I do expect Ingram to have Bradley Beal-like production next year (and I consider Beal's production to be close to the D-Wade on those LeBron teams). I expect Kuz's stat line to, more or less, hold steady. And while Zo is more important to the team on both sides of the ball than any 4th option LeBron has ever had.
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activeverb wrote:
Sentient Meat wrote:
activeverb wrote:
Sentient Meat wrote:

Again... I'd agree with this if other posters were referring to Ingram as a bad free throw shooter and not a bad shooter.

Very few bother to say TS%... which was still decent in spite of his FT shooting.

He's good at getting to the line... if he gets his FT up to 75%... gets his 3 point average to somewhere between 39% last year and 33% this year... he'll be a good all around shooter.

But I will continue to troll with eFG% as long as the vast majority of posters call him a bad shooter... instead of a bad foul shooter.


At this point, both his eFG% and TS are about average or slightly below average compared to the rest of the league.

He's been up and down as a three-point shooter, so I don't think we can predict how he will do in the future. I also don't see how anyone can predict/assume he'll have a significant improvement at the line.

So I am fine with anyone who evaluates Ingram based on his actual performance; evaluating based on an assumption of shooting improvement doesn't make sense to me.

At this point, I don't see any justification for considering him a good shooter. Average shooter is about as high as I'd go.


Then in the spirit of our debate... average shooter, above average iso scorer is fair.

But let's face it... almost everyone just lazily calls him a bad shooter.

That is what I was complaining about.

It's not dramatic to call him a slightly above average midrange shooter, above average iso shooter... it has more bite if you just call him a poor shooter.

So that's what the average, low quality poster rolls with.



A lot of people, whether pro or con for a guy, lean on hyberbola. Unfortunately, that's the way of the Internet. People feel they have to go over the top to get noticed. A guy is either a Hall of Famer or a C-leaguer. The nuanced, middle ground is too much work for many people.


Which is sad because that’s where the heart of most discussions are.

As a shooter, Ingram is IMO below average. But I put him above average as a scorer.

Or I can give grades. D as a shooter, B- as a scorer.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 13, 2019 3:46 pm    Post subject:

manlisten wrote:
Mege wrote:
Walk away from the table.

Ingram put up 18.3/5.1/3 last season and really started clicking before the end of his season. He'll be putting up Bradley Beal numbers next year while being a 2-way player.

Lonzo has 2 unique skills in the ability to raise the level of players around him while being a stellar defender at the point.

Kuzma put up nearly 18.7/5.5/2.5 in his second season.

If you look at the LeBron's past championship teams, you'll find those squads had only one player besides LeBron averaging 19.6 ppg or better (Kyrie 19.6/3/4.7, Wade 21.2/5/5.1, Wade 22.1/4.8/4.6). We already have that in place. The 3rd leading scorers on those squads averaged between 16 and 18 ppg. We also already have that in place. And we still have space to add a max or near max player via free agency.


Excellent post đź‘Ť. Hopefully Pelinka is fully aware of this and wasn't just bluffing at the draft lottery when he said the Lakers were comfortable keeping the pick and continuing to build in the event that they couldn't reach a trade.


Here's my hopeful scenario:
Just walk the F away and let Boston govrnup Tatum and picks for Ad while we stand pat and draft Garland
Our youth finally make that big leap next year and really show something, we keep them all in place while making a respectable playoff run and then AD bolts from beantown and comes to us as a free agent.
I don't want to gut our whole youth for just AD. I'm sorry but it's not worth it, Ingram and Zo are players and so is Kuz, you don't move all 3 plus a top 5 pick for 1 superstar. We do this and we are the Knicks after the Melo trade
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 13, 2019 4:51 pm    Post subject:

That’s it. I’ll give them Bonga and a bag of Cheetos.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 13, 2019 5:21 pm    Post subject: Re: I'm looking for anyone who doesn't want to trade Zo, Hart, Kuz, and BI.

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This thread is a search for people out there who don't want to trade these guys. If you say it in other threads you're called dumb. Here are some of my reasons:

I firmly believe that these guys will be the quality players that other teams envy, and if traded, we will too. It's a horrible gamble for a player whose career numbers include 23 + ppg, 2 ast, 31% 3's, and 67 games per year, without carrying his team like truly dominant players do. He's very good, but not worth the price we'd pay.

Imo, it's unreasonable to believe AD's production will be as valuable as the collective production of our players playing 4 positions, especially considering the likliehood that at least some, or more, will be available for every game.

Individually, AD's stats are better, but every one of these quality guys will improve next year. This could be the year they'll individually become a problem for opponents for years to come.

If they were being traded for a proven difference maker/ man among boys, with an ironman history, the gamble would seem less extreme. AD is a very good player who should come during free agency so he can dominate with these guys, or at the earliest, during the trade deadline when NO's leverage is at its lowest, and he could solidify a playoff push.

We've suffered for 6 years. Conversations on LG talk about how today, winning basketball involves playing small lineups. That strategy developed from patiently waiting for investments to grow. Our star scorer no longer defends well, and he needs the capable young defenders we already have. F/a AD will have a great shot at winning, and he would love playing with them. Patience means years of success. Gambling the last of the good assets away means we should brace ourselves for several more years of a rebuild sooner than we should.

NO would be very happy with that haul of players.


I don't want to trade ALL of them, especially with the #4 being offered. But IMO Davis has been the best player in the NBA for a few seasons now. So I'd certainly trade any two of them with a couple of 1st-round picks.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 13, 2019 5:31 pm    Post subject:

lakid wrote:
manlisten wrote:
Mege wrote:
Walk away from the table.

Ingram put up 18.3/5.1/3 last season and really started clicking before the end of his season. He'll be putting up Bradley Beal numbers next year while being a 2-way player.

Lonzo has 2 unique skills in the ability to raise the level of players around him while being a stellar defender at the point.

Kuzma put up nearly 18.7/5.5/2.5 in his second season.

If you look at the LeBron's past championship teams, you'll find those squads had only one player besides LeBron averaging 19.6 ppg or better (Kyrie 19.6/3/4.7, Wade 21.2/5/5.1, Wade 22.1/4.8/4.6). We already have that in place. The 3rd leading scorers on those squads averaged between 16 and 18 ppg. We also already have that in place. And we still have space to add a max or near max player via free agency.


Excellent post đź‘Ť. Hopefully Pelinka is fully aware of this and wasn't just bluffing at the draft lottery when he said the Lakers were comfortable keeping the pick and continuing to build in the event that they couldn't reach a trade.


Here's my hopeful scenario:
Just walk the F away and let Boston govrnup Tatum and picks for Ad while we stand pat and draft Garland
Our youth finally make that big leap next year and really show something, we keep them all in place while making a respectable playoff run and then AD bolts from beantown and comes to us as a free agent.
I don't want to gut our whole youth for just AD. I'm sorry but it's not worth it, Ingram and Zo are players and so is Kuz, you don't move all 3 plus a top 5 pick for 1 superstar. We do this and we are the Knicks after the Melo trade


Hopefully, the Lakers disengage with NO and adopt the "Old Bull" philosophy (joke below, made safe for work):

There are two bulls standing on a hill overlooking a pasture full of cows. The younger bull, eager, but lacking experience, says to the old bull “Hey, let’s run down there and 'mate' ourselves a cow.” The old bull, who has spent season after season in this pasture, turns to the younger bull, chuckles, and replies “Nah, how about we walk down there, and 'mate' them all.”
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 13, 2019 6:33 pm    Post subject:

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I'd say it's fair to consider the pace of play. And I don't consider last year's Ingram and Kuz to be the equivalent of Wade and Bosh. That said, I do expect Ingram to have Bradley Beal-like production next year



Last year, Beal put up 26-5-6 on 48-35-81 while playing all 82 games.

Hard for me to imagine Ingram coming anywhere close to that.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 13, 2019 6:36 pm    Post subject:

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Which is sad because that’s where the heart of most discussions are.

As a shooter, Ingram is IMO below average. But I put him above average as a scorer.

Or I can give grades. D as a shooter, B- as a scorer.



I think it's too soon to give Ingram a grade that means anything. The big question -- and probably the only question that matters -- is whether his production at the end of last season is a harbinger of things to come.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 13, 2019 6:42 pm    Post subject:

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Checking in. Would prefer to keep Ingram first, Zo second, Kuz third. Would be a letdown to lose both Ingram and Zo but ultimately Kuz would be a respectable consolation prize, a solid fit with Bron/AD/3rd max and a good player moving forward. But looking ahead at the possibility of an AD/BI core in the future, it would be disappointing for me if he had to be a casualty.


Kuz is the guy I would give up quickest. Because he came into the league at an older age, he was the most developed, so he probably has the smallest amount of improvement.
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