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Judah
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| PRLakeShow wrote: | | Wait? This guy is already dinged up? Come on man. Not surprised though, he hits the floor hard every 2 minutes. |
Didn't hit the floor. He blocked a shot and hit his finger on the backboard. Could've happened to anyone. And it's just a Grade 1.
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RG73
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| Dreamshake wrote: |
Naw. Even McGrady could consistently get his team to the playoffs, and he had some crap teams too. Top 5 players aren't consistently missing the playoffs and losing the majority of their games. |
Lets see, first three seasons, with a prime Vince Carter, TMac managed 1 playoff appearance, where he was swept.
His first season in Orlando he did make the playoffs (again, 1st round out). The seed above him was the Toronto team he left, where Vince was carrying the corpses of Charles Oakley, Kevin Willlis, Del Curry, and Mugsy Bogues (I think they were all 36+ that season). The top seed in the east that year was the 76ers team that messed up our perfect playoff record. So the east was kind of a cakewalk. The following season he again got bounced in the 1st round in a conference where the best team was led by Jason Kidd and...Kerry Kittles? Come on. The next season he barely snuck into the playoffs at 42-40 and got bounced again. Then in 2003-04 he led the Magic to....21 wins. They replaced him the following season with a 19 year old Dwight and won 36. But yeah, first season with Yao, first round exit. Next season with Yao, no playoffs. Next season with Yao, first round exit. Next season with Yao, first round exit. Are you seeing a pattern yet? With crappy teammates in a crappy conference, he sometimes made the playoffs. In a good conference with another HOFer he got bounced in the 1st round when he made the playoffs. The moral of the story, once again, being that this is a team sport and sometimes one guy or even two can't do it alone.
So can we stop with the inane he couldn't get his team to the playoffs stupidity once and for all? Or shall I drag out all the examples of first ballot HOFers that failed to make the playoffs? |
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Judah
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| RG73 wrote: | | Dreamshake wrote: |
Naw. Even McGrady could consistently get his team to the playoffs, and he had some crap teams too. Top 5 players aren't consistently missing the playoffs and losing the majority of their games. |
Lets see, first three seasons, with a prime Vince Carter, TMac managed 1 playoff appearance, where he was swept.
His first season in Orlando he did make the playoffs (again, 1st round out). The seed above him was the Toronto team he left, where Vince was carrying the corpses of Charles Oakley, Kevin Willlis, Del Curry, and Mugsy Bogues (I think they were all 36+ that season). The top seed in the east that year was the 76ers team that messed up our perfect playoff record. So the east was kind of a cakewalk. The following season he again got bounced in the 1st round in a conference where the best team was led by Jason Kidd and...Kerry Kittles? Come on. The next season he barely snuck into the playoffs at 42-40 and got bounced again. Then in 2003-04 he led the Magic to....21 wins. They replaced him the following season with a 19 year old Dwight and won 36. But yeah, first season with Yao, first round exit. Next season with Yao, no playoffs. Next season with Yao, first round exit. Next season with Yao, first round exit. Are you seeing a pattern yet? With crappy teammates in a crappy conference, he sometimes made the playoffs. In a good conference with another HOFer he got bounced in the 1st round when he made the playoffs. The moral of the story, once again, being that this is a team sport and sometimes one guy or even two can't do it alone.
So can we stop with the inane he couldn't get his team to the playoffs stupidity once and for all? Or shall I drag out all the examples of first ballot HOFers that failed to make the playoffs? |
It's funny that basketball is a team game, but so often people argue as if it's golf or tennis. One player can only do so much.
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venturalakersfan
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| Posted: Sun Oct 13, 2019 8:44 am Post subject: |
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| Judah wrote: | | PRLakeShow wrote: | | Wait? This guy is already dinged up? Come on man. Not surprised though, he hits the floor hard every 2 minutes. |
Didn't hit the floor. He blocked a shot and hit his finger on the backboard. Could've happened to anyone. And it's just a Grade 1. |
He actually hit the floor a couple of times.
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| RG73 wrote: | | Dreamshake wrote: |
Naw. Even McGrady could consistently get his team to the playoffs, and he had some crap teams too. Top 5 players aren't consistently missing the playoffs and losing the majority of their games. |
Lets see, first three seasons, with a prime Vince Carter, TMac managed 1 playoff appearance, where he was swept.
His first season in Orlando he did make the playoffs (again, 1st round out). The seed above him was the Toronto team he left, where Vince was carrying the corpses of Charles Oakley, Kevin Willlis, Del Curry, and Mugsy Bogues (I think they were all 36+ that season). The top seed in the east that year was the 76ers team that messed up our perfect playoff record. So the east was kind of a cakewalk. The following season he again got bounced in the 1st round in a conference where the best team was led by Jason Kidd and...Kerry Kittles? Come on. The next season he barely snuck into the playoffs at 42-40 and got bounced again. Then in 2003-04 he led the Magic to....21 wins. They replaced him the following season with a 19 year old Dwight and won 36. But yeah, first season with Yao, first round exit. Next season with Yao, no playoffs. Next season with Yao, first round exit. Next season with Yao, first round exit. Are you seeing a pattern yet? With crappy teammates in a crappy conference, he sometimes made the playoffs. In a good conference with another HOFer he got bounced in the 1st round when he made the playoffs. The moral of the story, once again, being that this is a team sport and sometimes one guy or even two can't do it alone.
So can we stop with the inane he couldn't get his team to the playoffs stupidity once and for all? Or shall I drag out all the examples of first ballot HOFers that failed to make the playoffs? |
I’m not sure what you think that would prove? It isn’t inane, it is factual. Something posters here have a great difficulty with. I have been an AD and Pelican fan since day 1 and the guy isn’t leading a team anywhere. But with a leader he can do some damage, depending on the team around him. Just like Pau and not at all like Kobe or Shaq.
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All this doom and gloom for a grade 1 thumb sprain with zero ligament damage?
Fair to say most people here never jammed their thumb or finger playing basketball |
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| Posted: Sun Oct 13, 2019 9:02 am Post subject: |
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| KingKobe20 wrote: | All this doom and gloom for a grade 1 thumb sprain with zero ligament damage?
Fair to say most people here never jammed their thumb or finger playing basketball |
6 miserable years do this to people  |
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| Posted: Sun Oct 13, 2019 9:04 am Post subject: |
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| KingKobe20 wrote: | All this doom and gloom for a grade 1 thumb sprain with zero ligament damage?
Fair to say most people here never jammed their thumb or finger playing basketball |
Lol, fans like complaining about every little thing, it’s part of sports fandom, it creates drama and sparks discussions, if AD had to use a restroom break during a game fans would whine about it, it’s just how it is. |
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| Lol these cry babies take all the fun out of having a good team again |
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Judah
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| Posted: Sun Oct 13, 2019 10:13 am Post subject: |
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | Judah wrote: | | PRLakeShow wrote: | | Wait? This guy is already dinged up? Come on man. Not surprised though, he hits the floor hard every 2 minutes. |
Didn't hit the floor. He blocked a shot and hit his finger on the backboard. Could've happened to anyone. And it's just a Grade 1. |
He actually hit the floor a couple of times. |
Doesn't every player hit the floor a couple of times a game, though? He specifically mentioned AD falling to the floor within the context of his injury. I was just clarifying that this isn't that kind of injury. Didn't happen because he hit the floor or anything.
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venturalakersfan
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No, every player doesn’t fall on the floor often. AD is light and it doesn’t take much contact to dislodge him. As long as it only generates bumps and bruises it will be good. As you posted, it had nothing to do with this injury.
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| Looks like we aren’t the only 1’s dealing with Injury, Gerald Green is gonna be our for a few months with a broken foot. |
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| Anthony Davis MRI pushed back to Monday |
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| Posted: Sun Oct 13, 2019 12:58 pm Post subject: |
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| Inspector Gadget wrote: | | Anthony Davis MRI pushed back to Monday |
It won’t be a grade 1 sprain with no ligament damage. This is showing all the signs of the typical lakers misdiagnosis. Can’t believe they have UCLA health or whatever backing the medical team yet they get things so so wrong consistently. |
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| Posted: Sun Oct 13, 2019 1:15 pm Post subject: |
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| BennyLava wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | Anthony Davis MRI pushed back to Monday |
It won’t be a grade 1 sprain with no ligament damage. This is showing all the signs of the typical lakers misdiagnosis. Can’t believe they have UCLA health or whatever backing the medical team yet they get things so so wrong consistently. |
Already feels like last season’s reports. I’m not saying they are not being truthful about pushing MRI to Monday, but I wouldn’t be surprised if they already took the MRI either.
They were so eager to give Shams the news yesterday...not so much today. |
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| Posted: Sun Oct 13, 2019 1:18 pm Post subject: |
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| BennyLava wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | Anthony Davis MRI pushed back to Monday |
It won’t be a grade 1 sprain with no ligament damage. This is showing all the signs of the typical lakers misdiagnosis. Can’t believe they have UCLA health or whatever backing the medical team yet they get things so so wrong consistently. |
I do not want to believe that.
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| Posted: Sun Oct 13, 2019 2:19 pm Post subject: |
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| LakerSD wrote: | | BennyLava wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | Anthony Davis MRI pushed back to Monday |
It won’t be a grade 1 sprain with no ligament damage. This is showing all the signs of the typical lakers misdiagnosis. Can’t believe they have UCLA health or whatever backing the medical team yet they get things so so wrong consistently. |
Already feels like last season’s reports. I’m not saying they are not being truthful about pushing MRI to Monday, but I wouldn’t be surprised if they already took the MRI either.
They were so eager to give Shams the news yesterday...not so much today. |
OR...He just got done with a 15-hour international flight, and might want to rest first. |
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| Posted: Sun Oct 13, 2019 2:29 pm Post subject: |
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| BennyLava wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | Anthony Davis MRI pushed back to Monday |
It won’t be a grade 1 sprain with no ligament damage. This is showing all the signs of the typical lakers misdiagnosis. Can’t believe they have UCLA health or whatever backing the medical team yet they get things so so wrong consistently. |
Take it from experience UCLA is just a name, they are nothing special |
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| leor_77 wrote: | | LakerSD wrote: | | BennyLava wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | Anthony Davis MRI pushed back to Monday |
It won’t be a grade 1 sprain with no ligament damage. This is showing all the signs of the typical lakers misdiagnosis. Can’t believe they have UCLA health or whatever backing the medical team yet they get things so so wrong consistently. |
Already feels like last season’s reports. I’m not saying they are not being truthful about pushing MRI to Monday, but I wouldn’t be surprised if they already took the MRI either.
They were so eager to give Shams the news yesterday...not so much today. |
OR...He just got done with a 15-hour international flight, and might want to rest first. |
It’s either they don’t think it’s serious enough to check or they already took the MRI. Either way, let’s hope it’s not another BS misdiagnosis or bending the truth like last season. |
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| Posted: Sun Oct 13, 2019 2:41 pm Post subject: |
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| LakerSD wrote: | | BennyLava wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | Anthony Davis MRI pushed back to Monday |
It won’t be a grade 1 sprain with no ligament damage. This is showing all the signs of the typical lakers misdiagnosis. Can’t believe they have UCLA health or whatever backing the medical team yet they get things so so wrong consistently. |
Already feels like last season’s reports. I’m not saying they are not being truthful about pushing MRI to Monday, but I wouldn’t be surprised if they already took the MRI either.
They were so eager to give Shams the news yesterday...not so much today. |
Maybe this is way off, but I always felt like the Lakers gave optimistic timelines on player injury to keep people buying tickets and tuning in. If you knew LeBron was going to be out for so long, fans would say wake me when he’s back. The team is run by the marketing department. |
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| Posted: Sun Oct 13, 2019 3:22 pm Post subject: |
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| BennyLava wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | Anthony Davis MRI pushed back to Monday |
It won’t be a grade 1 sprain with no ligament damage. This is showing all the signs of the typical lakers misdiagnosis. Can’t believe they have UCLA health or whatever backing the medical team yet they get things so so wrong consistently. |
Sadly, I wouldn't be surprised if this happened again.
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| Posted: Sun Oct 13, 2019 3:53 pm Post subject: |
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | Judah wrote: | | PRLakeShow wrote: | | Wait? This guy is already dinged up? Come on man. Not surprised though, he hits the floor hard every 2 minutes. |
Didn't hit the floor. He blocked a shot and hit his finger on the backboard. Could've happened to anyone. And it's just a Grade 1. |
He actually hit the floor a couple of times. |
Is the floor OK? |
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| RG73 wrote: | | Dreamshake wrote: |
Naw. Even McGrady could consistently get his team to the playoffs, and he had some crap teams too. Top 5 players aren't consistently missing the playoffs and losing the majority of their games. |
Lets see, first three seasons, with a prime Vince Carter, TMac managed 1 playoff appearance, where he was swept.
His first season in Orlando he did make the playoffs (again, 1st round out). The seed above him was the Toronto team he left, where Vince was carrying the corpses of Charles Oakley, Kevin Willlis, Del Curry, and Mugsy Bogues (I think they were all 36+ that season). The top seed in the east that year was the 76ers team that messed up our perfect playoff record. So the east was kind of a cakewalk. The following season he again got bounced in the 1st round in a conference where the best team was led by Jason Kidd and...Kerry Kittles? Come on. The next season he barely snuck into the playoffs at 42-40 and got bounced again. Then in 2003-04 he led the Magic to....21 wins. They replaced him the following season with a 19 year old Dwight and won 36. But yeah, first season with Yao, first round exit. Next season with Yao, no playoffs. Next season with Yao, first round exit. Next season with Yao, first round exit. Are you seeing a pattern yet? With crappy teammates in a crappy conference, he sometimes made the playoffs. In a good conference with another HOFer he got bounced in the 1st round when he made the playoffs. The moral of the story, once again, being that this is a team sport and sometimes one guy or even two can't do it alone.
So can we stop with the inane he couldn't get his team to the playoffs stupidity once and for all? Or shall I drag out all the examples of first ballot HOFers that failed to make the playoffs? |
I notice you haven’t refuted the fact that T-Mac was routinely getting to the playoffs. Even when he had garbage teams he got to the playoffs.
As far as the bolded, yes, please drag out examples of HOF players with 5 lotto trips in their first 7 seasons? For a bonus, please highlight the ones that could only clear 35 wins twice. |
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| Dreamshake wrote: | | RG73 wrote: | | Dreamshake wrote: |
Naw. Even McGrady could consistently get his team to the playoffs, and he had some crap teams too. Top 5 players aren't consistently missing the playoffs and losing the majority of their games. |
Lets see, first three seasons, with a prime Vince Carter, TMac managed 1 playoff appearance, where he was swept.
His first season in Orlando he did make the playoffs (again, 1st round out). The seed above him was the Toronto team he left, where Vince was carrying the corpses of Charles Oakley, Kevin Willlis, Del Curry, and Mugsy Bogues (I think they were all 36+ that season). The top seed in the east that year was the 76ers team that messed up our perfect playoff record. So the east was kind of a cakewalk. The following season he again got bounced in the 1st round in a conference where the best team was led by Jason Kidd and...Kerry Kittles? Come on. The next season he barely snuck into the playoffs at 42-40 and got bounced again. Then in 2003-04 he led the Magic to....21 wins. They replaced him the following season with a 19 year old Dwight and won 36. But yeah, first season with Yao, first round exit. Next season with Yao, no playoffs. Next season with Yao, first round exit. Next season with Yao, first round exit. Are you seeing a pattern yet? With crappy teammates in a crappy conference, he sometimes made the playoffs. In a good conference with another HOFer he got bounced in the 1st round when he made the playoffs. The moral of the story, once again, being that this is a team sport and sometimes one guy or even two can't do it alone.
So can we stop with the inane he couldn't get his team to the playoffs stupidity once and for all? Or shall I drag out all the examples of first ballot HOFers that failed to make the playoffs? |
I notice you haven’t refuted the fact that T-Mac was routinely getting to the playoffs. Even when he had garbage teams he got to the playoffs.
As far as the bolded, yes, please drag out examples of HOF players with 5 lotto trips in their first 7 seasons? For a bonus, please highlight the ones that could only clear 35 wins twice. |
This is the same T-Mac who could not win a PO series in a zillion years? That's the T-Mac we talking about?
The right example to make about leading teams anywhere,indeed |
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| Posted: Sun Oct 13, 2019 7:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Dreamshake wrote: | | I notice you haven’t refuted the fact that T-Mac was routinely getting to the playoffs. Even when he had garbage teams he got to the playoffs. |
Not always. Most notably he missed the playoffs on a team that featured Yao Ming and Juwan Howard but only won 34 games.
I assume you are talking primarily about his Orlando teams when Grant Hill was constantly hurt and he was playing with a cast of role players. While he did squeek into the playoffs on most of those teams, squeeking into the first round of the playoffs in a weak Eastern Conference is hardly comparable to what we've seen in the Western Conference in recent years. |
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