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PostPosted: Thu Dec 05, 2019 1:24 am    Post subject:

epak wrote:
I think we gave up too much for him.
What say you?


I'll always believe that, but...still glad to have him
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6 boards today. Is he going to drop below 9? I don't care how you guys are spinning it. I don't think this is him, and we're 19-3. The league should be scared. I expect his shooting touch to get better and I expect some games where he gobbles up the boards. He's going to average double digit boards by years end.

I think injuries has a lot to do with it, the Lakers guards are going for every rebound, lebron and rondo are both elite rebounders for their positions, Dwight and JAVALE are going to get theirs.
If you watch carefully, AD is rarely part of the free throw shooting rebound group, and that’s probably to protect him. That alone can get you 1-2 extra rebounds per game



Against the Mavs he was down the floor on FTs with both Luka and KP guarding him. Sounds like a good business move to me.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 05, 2019 2:02 am    Post subject:

One might want to consider that AD wants Lebron to win the MVP this season.
If his RPG is up thru the roof plus increased shot block per game, I think he will hurt Bron's chance pretty badly. Many of potential votes will be taken from Bron. Sounds like Shaq and Kobe. Only 1 freaking MVP each.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 05, 2019 2:07 am    Post subject:

AD is contesting more shots than any other Laker. Can't remember if it was this game or last game but by the time he had contested 18 shots, the closest other Laker was Danny Green with 13. And if you're contesting shots, especially near the perimeter, it's hard to get back to rebound.

Also when he's playing center on the offensive end he's usually stretching the floor, so hard to get offensive rebounds there.

And also he has Lebron and Dwight/McGee around him as well.

So his rebound numbers might naturally be down but that doesn't change the fact that he's the DPOY
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 05, 2019 4:40 am    Post subject:

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 05, 2019 6:26 am    Post subject:

Dr. Laker wrote:
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miggz23 wrote:
ringfinger wrote:
moonriver24 wrote:
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There are so many elite rebounders in the league. Kinda disappointing AD isn't up there between 12-15 a game. But I know the way he's playing D has something to do with it. But 9 boards doesn't seem right. I think he's better than that even with all the D he's playing. Luka is averaging more boards than AD.

Because AD's been utilized differently. In a "normal" setting, he should have been the best rebounder.


How has he been utilized differently such that it would so drastically lower his rebound rate?

One thing is that he is probably being utilized as more of that free safety help defender. But that’s not abnormal per se.


He is now playing PF full time, and spending more time guarding the perimeter. On top of that playing less minutes and alongside guys like McGee/Lebron/Howard who grab rebounds in high rates also.


When he played PF next to Demarcus Cousins, he actually had more rebounds than he does now. His REB% was 16.5% in that season and his rebound rate as a Laker is significantly lower than any other season in his career. 14.7% this year and his next lowest is 16.1%

He also plays center about one third of the time.

If the reason he didn’t rebound less wasn’t Demarcus Cousins it certainly isn’t Javale Mcgee.


JaVale, LeBron, AB and Green are all good-to-great rebounders at their respective positions.

D39 & Rondo are historically top rebounders at their positions.

Long story short - AD is playing with better rebounders, so he's sharing more.

Chris Bosh & Kevin Love went to play with LBJ in their mid-20s and both of their rebound rates dropped by a couple of points. Love's went back up after LeBron left.


This can’t be it. Demarcus averaged 13 boards per game in a season when AD averaged 11. And Rondo was there in NOP too plus Mirotic averaging 8.

I think it’s something else entirely. Possibly a combination of how we use him defensively (funnel) and then also as someone said we often have him in the half court on FTs.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 05, 2019 7:10 am    Post subject:

AD is playing a lot against perimeter players. If you notice him on defense, he is contesting much more and does so against guys that can shoot from the outside. He has less rebounding opportunities.

I don’t really give a damn though because as we see, he is capable of averaging 13+ rebounds ANYTIME he wants too. He is more focused defensively and it shows as he has single handedly won us games with his clutch defense.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 05, 2019 7:35 am    Post subject:

He's way better than I thought he was. His defense
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 05, 2019 7:37 am    Post subject:

55 wrote:
He's way better than I thought he was. His defense


His defense is absurd. I mean, when he was on the Pels, they weren’t even a good defensive team in fact I think, one of the worst.

Great job by Vogel putting him in the right position to succeed.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 05, 2019 7:45 am    Post subject:

Can't wait until AD plays against Giannis.

Kidd better earn his pay and try to recruit Giannis.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 05, 2019 7:46 am    Post subject:

55 wrote:
He's way better than I thought he was. His defense

He spoils his teammates. The game we lost to the Mavs, teammates kinda just expected him to cover multiple guys at once for them and grab every defensive board.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 05, 2019 7:48 am    Post subject:

Just wow.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 05, 2019 7:48 am    Post subject:

Fallout wrote:
Can't wait until AD plays against Giannis.

Kidd better earn his pay and try to recruit Giannis.


That’s the dream
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 05, 2019 7:54 am    Post subject:

Considering he might not even be at 100% at this point, it's scary. Please don't lose him to the Bulls.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 05, 2019 8:10 am    Post subject:

Fallout wrote:
Can't wait until AD plays against Giannis.

Kidd better earn his pay and try to recruit Giannis.

Pretty obvious that that's the biggest reason he's here.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 05, 2019 8:25 am    Post subject:

Personally I'm not looking forward to playing the Bucks on the 5th game of a long road trip. That's going to be a blowout that doesn't tell us anything about how the two teams matchup.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 05, 2019 8:32 am    Post subject:

Judah wrote:
Fallout wrote:
Can't wait until AD plays against Giannis.

Kidd better earn his pay and try to recruit Giannis.

Pretty obvious that that's the biggest reason he's here.


That's a reason he is here. But I would say that is far from the biggest reason... He's a good coach
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 05, 2019 9:41 am    Post subject:

Would we have enough cap to have in 2021 AD, LeBron and Giannis? Those Deng 5 millions would still be around...
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 05, 2019 9:43 am    Post subject:

55 wrote:
He's way better than I thought he was. His defense


Spot on 55. Just watching him a few times a year I thought he was a bit overrated.But seeing him every game you can really appreciate how good AD is.His defense is on the highest level.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 05, 2019 9:45 am    Post subject:

pjiddy wrote:
epak wrote:
I think we gave up too much for him.
What say you?


I'll always believe that, but...still glad to have him


Even after he delivers us a couple ships? Nah, it's always worth the price for a championship.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 05, 2019 10:00 am    Post subject:

SPO200 wrote:
Would we have enough cap to have in 2021 AD, LeBron and Giannis? Those Deng 5 millions would still be around...

We currently have 5M in cap spent that summer. Can you convince AD, LB and Giannis to come/stay here for about 32M each?
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 05, 2019 10:06 am    Post subject:

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pjiddy wrote:
epak wrote:
I think we gave up too much for him.
What say you?


I'll always believe that, but...still glad to have him


Even after he delivers us a couple ships? Nah, it's always worth the price for a championship.


Side: First the charges against you were dropped. And now the charges against Luke Walton have been dropped. Interesting world we live in.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 05, 2019 10:09 am    Post subject:

Fallout wrote:
Can't wait until AD plays against Giannis.

Kidd better earn his pay and try to recruit Giannis.


I feel like Giannis would not want to come here because his biggest rival for the best player of this newer generation is AD. They're going to be like Bird and Magic for the next generation imo.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 05, 2019 10:17 am    Post subject:

SPO200 wrote:
Would we have enough cap to have in 2021 AD, LeBron and Giannis? Those Deng 5 millions would still be around...


No
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 05, 2019 10:50 am    Post subject:

LandsbergerRules wrote:
Fallout wrote:
Can't wait until AD plays against Giannis.

Kidd better earn his pay and try to recruit Giannis.


I feel like Giannis would not want to come here because his biggest rival for the best player of this newer generation is AD. They're going to be like Bird and Magic for the next generation imo.

Giannis' brand gets a 10x multiplier in LA.
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