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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | ThePageDude wrote: | We go to him in the post a lot. I've been underwhelmed by his post game all year, not just this game. It too often results in him going to a fade-away or getting swarmed and turning the ball over.
I didn't follow AD before this year - has he always been this shaky in the post? If not, what's the cause? His shoulder injury? |
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Anthony Davis Points Per Possession in the Post:
This Season: 0.91
Last Year: 0.97
17-18: 0.97
16-17: 0.9
15-16: 0.78
The top guy in the league is Embiid at 1.11. Lebron is at 0.96. His post game has room for improvement, but he isn't bad either. Davis' offensive strength is more of his well rounded game by adding his face up game, jump shot, and ability to drive. His numbers in the post aren't bad though. Comparisons to other players this season:
Embiid: 1.11
Gallo/Jokic: 1.04
Derozen/Barnes: 1.03
Harrel/Aldridge: 0.97
Lebron/Valuncunas/Kawhi/Zion: 0.96
KAT: 0.95
Melo/Siakum: 0.93
Randle/Horford/Sabonis: 0.92
Griffin/Drummond/Davis: 0.91
Love: 0.9
Giannis: 0.89
Adams/Gordon: 0.88
Ayton: 0.82
Porzingis: 0.8 |
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| Posted: Mon Feb 24, 2020 7:59 pm Post subject: |
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Davis isn’t bad in the post and has been fairly consistent since he started having healthy seasons. I actually thought that his numbers might improve next to Lebron.
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| Posted: Mon Feb 24, 2020 8:19 pm Post subject: |
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| I wonder what his PPP is on the post at PF vs C |
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J.C. Smith
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| Posted: Mon Feb 24, 2020 8:34 pm Post subject: |
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| scout0_0 wrote: | | I wonder what his PPP is on the post at PF vs C |
I don't know of any place to get that data (positional post possesssions). 82games does have a by position split data comparison though for general performance by position. All numbers in it are per 48 minutes since they are averaged. The vs. is their opponents stats.
This season:
Davis at PF: 35.5 points (53.5% fg), 12.3 rebounds, 5.1 assists, 2.5 blocks, 31.9 PER vs 21.5 points (50.5% fg), 8.8 rebounds, 2.5 assists, 1.0 blocks, 14.4 PER
Davis at C: 41.4 points (57% fg), 14.2 rebounds, 3.8 assists, 4.8 blocks, 40.3 PER vs. 21.5 points (57.1% fg), 13.5 rebounds, 3.5 assists, 1.7 blocks and 21.6 PER
Net Gain of Davis at PF: 14 points (2.9% fg), 3.4 rebounds, 2.6 assists, 1.6 blocks, 17.5 PER
Net Gain of Davis at C: 19.9 points (equal fg%), 0.8 rebounds, 0.3 assists, 3.1 blocks, 18.7 PER
He only was credited with 1% of the minutes at center last season but there are some metrics from two years ago where he had a pretty even split of his minutes.
Two years ago:
Davis at PF: 34.9 points (58.4% fg), 12.6 rebounds, 2.4 assists, 3 blocks, 30.8 PER vs. 21.6 points (49.8% fg), 3.9 assists, 0.7 blocks, 13.4 PER
Davis at C: 40.5 points (52.8% fg), 17 rebounds, 3.8 assists, 3.9 blocks, 35.6 PER vs. 21.9 points (54.5% fg), 15.5 rebounds, 3.3 assists, 1.3 blocks, 21.6 PER
Net Gain of Davis at PF: 13.3 points (8.6% fg), 2 rebounds, -1.5 assists, 2.2 blocks, 17.5 PER
Net Gain of Davis at C: 18.6 points (-1.7% fg), 1.5 rebounds, 0.5 assists, 2.6 blocks, 14 PER |
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| Posted: Mon Feb 24, 2020 8:47 pm Post subject: |
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Damn, his blocks and rebounds at center.
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| Posted: Tue Feb 25, 2020 6:27 am Post subject: |
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| J.C. Smith wrote: |
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This Season: 0.91
Last Year: 0.97
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So that's a 6% decline and should be statistically significant with the minutes/games played this season. Great data, thanks! |
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| Quote: | Dudley says he’s been around stars who care both about numbers and wins.
He says AD is just strictly about winning. Love that |
https://twitter.com/josh2saint/status/1232177079384281088?s=21
AD is learning from Lebron on how to get to the next level mentally. 26 year old AD still doesn’t know what he is capable of imo. He will be pretty close to unstoppable if he gets to next level. |
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| Posted: Tue Feb 25, 2020 9:11 am Post subject: |
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| LakerSD wrote: | | Quote: | Dudley says he’s been around stars who care both about numbers and wins.
He says AD is just strictly about winning. Love that |
https://twitter.com/josh2saint/status/1232177079384281088?s=21
AD is learning from Lebron on how to get to the next level mentally. 26 year old AD still doesn’t know what he is capable of imo. He will be pretty close to unstoppable if he gets to next level. |
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| AD softer than Charmin. Can't even take Zion or Holiday off the block |
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| Pau Gasol's Beard wrote: | | AD softer than Charmin. Can't even take Zion or Holiday off the block |
And as you say that AD has 9 rebounds when the next highest player in the game has 5. AD has as many offensive rebounds as any other player has total rebounds. Not to mention 5 blocks including multiple on Zion. |
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| Pau Gasol's Beard wrote: | | AD softer than Charmin. Can't even take Zion or Holiday off the block |
taking people off the block is not AD's game. You open up ADs game by putting a guard who can shoot off the p&r game and penetrate. Closest to that is cook and he never gets time. |
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| J.C. Smith wrote: | | Pau Gasol's Beard wrote: | | AD softer than Charmin. Can't even take Zion or Holiday off the block |
And as you say that AD has 9 rebounds when the next highest player in the game has 5. AD has as many offensive rebounds as any other player has total rebounds. Not to mention 5 blocks including multiple on Zion. |
McGee has the same amount in one third the time.
Is McGee three times as tough as AD, or are rebounds a poor indicator of toughness?
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| ringfinger wrote: | | Is McGee three times as tough as AD, or are rebounds a poor indicator of toughness? |
With regards to the number of McGee's rebounds at the time that was posted when I looked at ESPN's boxscore I saw 5 rebounds for McGee. But either way you are grasping for straws there. I don't hear anyone calling McGee a soft player.
Rebounds are an indication of effort. To grab rebounds, especially offensive rebounds you are going to need to go up against someone else. In close blocks are also an indication of putting your body in between a player and the rim and absorbing contact. AD finished the game with 6 more rebounds than anyone on the opposing team, and 5 more than any of his teammates. He wasn't exactly getting pushed around out there. To call that a "softer than charmin" effort is a lazy assessment.
He has certainly struggled offensively over the past couple of games though. That would be a fair statement. But even then he attacked the rim with aggression on a number of plays. But he struggled to finish even chippies. |
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Mamba81
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| Posted: Tue Feb 25, 2020 10:04 pm Post subject: |
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all that is cool but ad is still soft.
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ad is tough on the defensive end ill give him that. but offensively and when it comes to pain tolerance..soft as (bleep)
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| Posted: Tue Feb 25, 2020 10:07 pm Post subject: |
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| Mamba81 wrote: | | ad is tough on the defensive end ill give him that. but offensively and when it comes to pain tolerance..soft as (bleep) |
For clarity, do you guys mind defining what it means to be "not soft" on the offensive end?
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| Posted: Tue Feb 25, 2020 10:13 pm Post subject: |
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| epic_ wrote: | | Mamba81 wrote: | | ad is tough on the defensive end ill give him that. but offensively and when it comes to pain tolerance..soft as (bleep) |
For clarity, do you guys mind defining what it means to be "not soft" on the offensive end? |
When he has a smaller defender on him, he should bully ball but he rather take a fadeaway jumper. He needs to finish strong on his layups. Make the ref call the foul but I think he's afraid of too much contact. |
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| Posted: Tue Feb 25, 2020 10:15 pm Post subject: |
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A dude that gets hurt often...cause he plays defense often....is soft?
https://media3.giphy.com/media/3DaF9PzchjkmA/source.gif
You think our defense would be any goouda without him? No AD, and that D would be soft AF. #Facts
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I hate using the term "soft" because it seems to trigger a certain response.
AD is more of a finesse player. For a guy that is fluid and skilled, he doesn't pop off the screen on the offensive side of the ball, unless he is using that fluidity in the open floor.
He is a great two way player because of elite defense but I am a bit concerned about how you build around him once Lebron leaves. I have my reservations on whether he can be the top player on a championship team. |
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Mamba81
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| Posted: Tue Feb 25, 2020 10:19 pm Post subject: |
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yea hes soft. anyone watching the games can see it.
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| AllorNothing wrote: | | epic_ wrote: | | Mamba81 wrote: | | ad is tough on the defensive end ill give him that. but offensively and when it comes to pain tolerance..soft as (bleep) |
For clarity, do you guys mind defining what it means to be "not soft" on the offensive end? |
When he has a smaller defender on him, he should bully ball but he rather take a fadeaway jumper. He needs to finish strong on his layups. Make the ref call the foul but I think he's afraid of too much contact. |
Thanks. More like Julius Randle tough?
I agree that AD takes more jumpers than I'd like. I wonder if the optics change if he hits his gimmes. The last couple games, he's been missing some bunnies.
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| Posted: Tue Feb 25, 2020 10:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Mamba81 wrote: | | yea hes soft. anyone watching the games can see it. |
That was a pretty soft argument. |
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| Posted: Tue Feb 25, 2020 10:24 pm Post subject: |
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AD reminds me of Pau circa 2008. If he can develop that killer instinct that Pau got in 2009 we can win it all.
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AD would make a great #3...
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| Posted: Wed Feb 26, 2020 1:48 am Post subject: |
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he doesn’t have the footwork and coordination to be a post up guy right now..he’s got a step through jump hook thats pretty good and looks smooth but that’s it and he only uses it about once a game. Lakers should get him some 1 on 1 lessons this summer with Someone like KG. Maybe Webber or Rasheed if anyone of those guys are interested too.
Vogel gotta get him the ball on the move to the basket or a face up attack from the high post elbow.. |
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