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PostPosted: Sun Sep 06, 2020 8:40 pm    Post subject:

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AD should learn how to establish his position and score more consistently and more effectively. He is not a finished product in term of championship level standard.


Totally agree. He needs to watch some tape of Charles Barkley or call up Shaq for some lessons on how to seal his man. He is getting pushed out to the damn near 3pt line.

That said he was great in this one, especially working the glass.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 06, 2020 8:48 pm    Post subject:

BandwagonLBJhopper wrote:
Sina wrote:
AD should learn how to establish his position and score more consistently and more effectively. He is not a finished product in term of championship level standard.


Totally agree. He needs to watch some tape of Charles Barkley or call up Shaq for some lessons on how to seal his man. He is getting pushed out to the damn near 3pt line.

That said he was great in this one, especially working the glass.


2 problems with that:

1. AD’s lower base isn’t as strong as Barkley or Shaq.
2. He prefer taking fall away jumpers anyway.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 06, 2020 8:59 pm    Post subject:

SGV-Laker fan wrote:
BandwagonLBJhopper wrote:
Sina wrote:
AD should learn how to establish his position and score more consistently and more effectively. He is not a finished product in term of championship level standard.


Totally agree. He needs to watch some tape of Charles Barkley or call up Shaq for some lessons on how to seal his man. He is getting pushed out to the damn near 3pt line.

That said he was great in this one, especially working the glass.


2 problems with that:

1. AD’s lower base isn’t as strong as Barkley or Shaq.
2. He prefer taking fall away jumpers anyway.


I mean, add the fact that today you can double a guy w/o the ball; something that you couldnt do in Shaq and Charles' day. So today, help can come quicker. Hopefully he can get at least 4 or so of the post ups where the help defense is slow to react.

I think I like him facing up anyway.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 06, 2020 9:17 pm    Post subject:

Anyone notice that he's never failed to bounce back in a huge way after a disappointing performance?
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 06, 2020 9:19 pm    Post subject:

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Anyone notice that he's never failed to bounce back in a huge way after a disappointing performance?


AD has been consistent through out his NBA career in performing well instead of having multiple average games.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 06, 2020 9:26 pm    Post subject:

SGV-Laker fan wrote:
BandwagonLBJhopper wrote:
Sina wrote:
AD should learn how to establish his position and score more consistently and more effectively. He is not a finished product in term of championship level standard.


Totally agree. He needs to watch some tape of Charles Barkley or call up Shaq for some lessons on how to seal his man. He is getting pushed out to the damn near 3pt line.

That said he was great in this one, especially working the glass.


2 problems with that:

1. AD’s lower base isn’t as strong as Barkley or Shaq.
2. He prefer taking fall away jumpers anyway.


I always thought Pau would be an awesome guy for him to train with over a summer or bring him in ala Kareem with Bynum. He def. will never play like shaq no matter how much tape he watches, that's just not his style at all nor does he want it to be which we all know at this point and I can understand it in todays NBA especially.

If he got a few moves down in the post it would take his paint game to another entire level and help him get going when that perimeter shot isn't falling.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 06, 2020 9:38 pm    Post subject:

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Anyone notice that he's never failed to bounce back in a huge way after a disappointing performance?


Yeah, even if he starts off slow in a game, I always see him turn it up in the 2nd half. Dude is consistent as hell.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 06, 2020 11:40 pm    Post subject:

If AD can find a way to get tucker UI to foul trouble, we will have a much easier time
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 07, 2020 12:03 am    Post subject:

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If AD can find a way to get tucker UI to foul trouble, we will have a much easier time


I LOATHE that I'm about to suggest this but Tucker is precisely the type of player that you can draw a flop foul on. Start flopping when he bodies you on your shots.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 07, 2020 1:52 am    Post subject:

I'm confused why can't AD bully tucker to the basket.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 07, 2020 5:05 am    Post subject:

Great game by AD.
Him and lebron scoring at least 60 combined is the only way we can win the series.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 07, 2020 5:08 am    Post subject:

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I'm confused why can't AD bully tucker to the basket.


Cause he has the height advantage so shooting over tucker is the right choice.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 07, 2020 5:09 am    Post subject:

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PinoyLBJFan wrote:
I'm confused why can't AD bully tucker to the basket.


Cause he has the height advantage so shooting over tucker is the right choice.


AD went to the line 6 times. He should attack a Tucker just a little bit more.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 07, 2020 5:16 am    Post subject:

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cencio_999 wrote:
PinoyLBJFan wrote:
I'm confused why can't AD bully tucker to the basket.


Cause he has the height advantage so shooting over tucker is the right choice.


AD went to the line 6 times. He should attack a Tucker just a little bit more.


He should mix it up for sure, but his good mid range game is a solid option against the rocket small defenders.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 07, 2020 5:31 am    Post subject:

SGV-Laker fan wrote:
BandwagonLBJhopper wrote:
Sina wrote:
AD should learn how to establish his position and score more consistently and more effectively. He is not a finished product in term of championship level standard.


Totally agree. He needs to watch some tape of Charles Barkley or call up Shaq for some lessons on how to seal his man. He is getting pushed out to the damn near 3pt line.

That said he was great in this one, especially working the glass.


2 problems with that:

1. AD’s lower base isn’t as strong as Barkley or Shaq.
2. He prefer taking fall away jumpers anyway.


How strong was McHale?

Even Gasol got lower than AD
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 07, 2020 5:41 am    Post subject:

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I mean, add the fact that today you can double a guy w/o the ball; something that you couldnt do in Shaq and Charles' day.


Zone defense was allowed in the NBA starting in 2001.

Shaq was drafted in 1992 so he played his first 9 years w/o a zone.

Shaq retired in 2011 so he played his last 10 years with zone defenses being allowed.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 07, 2020 8:30 am    Post subject:

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epic_ wrote:
I mean, add the fact that today you can double a guy w/o the ball; something that you couldnt do in Shaq and Charles' day.


Zone defense was allowed in the NBA starting in 2001.

Shaq was drafted in 1992 so he played his first 9 years w/o a zone.

Shaq retired in 2011 so he played his last 10 years with zone defenses being allowed.


When would you say teams started implementing zone defenses regularly? How often would you say Shaq experienced it?

And obviously Charles never had to deal with it in the NBA.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 07, 2020 8:39 am    Post subject:

epic_ wrote:
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epic_ wrote:
I mean, add the fact that today you can double a guy w/o the ball; something that you couldnt do in Shaq and Charles' day.


Zone defense was allowed in the NBA starting in 2001.

Shaq was drafted in 1992 so he played his first 9 years w/o a zone.

Shaq retired in 2011 so he played his last 10 years with zone defenses being allowed.


When would you say teams started implementing zone defenses regularly? How often would you say Shaq experienced it?

And obviously Charles never had to deal with it in the NBA.


Between zone defense and no hand check rule 2001-2004 was a tough time for offensive players.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 07, 2020 8:55 am    Post subject:

AD should have worked with Kobe on post moves. He got the fade and the step back, but he has to learn how to read where the double is coming. He has to be patience to know when to make his move to get his shots off. He keeps falling into the defense’s trap.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 07, 2020 9:14 am    Post subject:

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AD should have worked with Kobe on post moves. He got the fade and the step back, but he has to learn how to read where the double is coming. He has to be patience to know when to make his move to get his shots off. He keeps falling into the defense’s trap.


He should definitely try to improve passing out of the double
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 07, 2020 3:58 pm    Post subject:

PinoyLBJFan wrote:
I'm confused why can't AD bully tucker to the basket.


He isn’t as strong in his base
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 07, 2020 11:18 pm    Post subject:

PJ is sneaky strong, AD can't back him down like Shaq 100% of the time.

He still beats him in other ways, like hitting that elbow jumper that PJ can't really alter.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 08, 2020 6:10 am    Post subject:

PJ can't stop AD when he's on the move, which is what they finally did in game 2. His base is just so much stronger than AD's.

Given PJ's age, and the wear and tear that he has to go through going up against bigger players, I wonder if he's rapidly erasing years of his end of career days.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 08, 2020 6:27 am    Post subject:

SGV-Laker fan wrote:
BandwagonLBJhopper wrote:
Sina wrote:
AD should learn how to establish his position and score more consistently and more effectively. He is not a finished product in term of championship level standard.


Totally agree. He needs to watch some tape of Charles Barkley or call up Shaq for some lessons on how to seal his man. He is getting pushed out to the damn near 3pt line.

That said he was great in this one, especially working the glass.


2 problems with that:

1. AD’s lower base isn’t as strong as Barkley or Shaq.
2. He prefer taking fall away jumpers anyway.


One aspect of Davis’ “base strength” not being considered is his growth spurt we have all heard about. He was a guard most of his childhood. His nature is not to be in the post or battle for positioning as a Shaq or Barkley. Those guys grew up grinding in the paint. Not Davis.

Some players have that mentality. It is second nature. They have a lifetime of feeling the pressure and earning their position.

Davis feels more comfortable on the perimeter or in face up situations because he is a guard in a PFs body. IMO why he gets dislodged and knocked down so often too. Just not as used to the contact as a player that grew up playing in the paint. Subtle but distinct skillset.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 08, 2020 6:33 am    Post subject:

It's also why he's so good. He has guard skills for a big man and can run the court like one. Last series he literally ran Jurkic/Hassan off the court.

When we put AD in more moving sequences he also got better looks. I just don't think we should force feed him into trying to run into PJ Tucker in the post.
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