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3peat_pete Star Player
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Posted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 6:13 pm Post subject: |
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whatever it takes.
nah, i'm so over this AD trade rumor. Stop the cockteasing and just get it done ffs. |
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slavavov Star Player
Joined: 03 Oct 2003 Posts: 8288 Location: Santa Monica
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Posted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 7:14 pm Post subject: |
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I'm all for getting AD, but if we get him and a big FA we still need young, quality role players to fill out the roster.
I don't want us to be in a position where the only guys we can get to fill out the roster are old guys on their last legs who can't run or jump anymore, a la the early 2000s.
Time for Rob to prove he's a master negotiator. _________________ Lakers 49ers Chargers Dodgers |
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Laker_Jocker Star Player
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Posted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 7:28 pm Post subject: |
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Posted in another thread but based on what happened to get Dwight Howard in 2012 - ZO,BI and #4 straight up for AD is not objectively an overpay....
Bigger issue is....Does AD,LBJ,Kuz,Hart,Wagner, Bonga and about 26M cap make a contender? And then what if AD gets pissed and leaves sometime in the year ala Dwight?
Adding Kuz, Hart and/or any other assets on top of the 3 vital assets would be insane especially when the Lakers could simply wait and sign AD for free next year. |
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Staccatos Star Player
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Posted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 8:37 pm Post subject: |
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A. Don't offer anything much more than what other teams are offering.
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B. Don't bid against yourself.
New Orleans leverage gets less and less the longer this goes on. |
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24Legend007 Star Player
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Posted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 8:42 pm Post subject: |
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BI, 4, Hart, Bonga |
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adkindo Retired Number
Joined: 16 Jun 2005 Posts: 40345 Location: Dirty South
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Posted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 8:48 pm Post subject: |
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Ball, Kuzma, #4, and Wagner |
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2019 Franchise Player
Joined: 03 Dec 2014 Posts: 10786
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Posted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 9:12 pm Post subject: |
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Laker_Jocker wrote: | Posted in another thread but based on what happened to get Dwight Howard in 2012 - ZO,BI and #4 straight up for AD is not objectively an overpay....
Bigger issue is....Does AD,LBJ,Kuz,Hart,Wagner, Bonga and about 26M cap make a contender? And then what if AD gets pissed and leaves sometime in the year ala Dwight?
Adding Kuz, Hart and/or any other assets on top of the 3 vital assets would be insane especially when the Lakers could simply wait and sign AD for free next year. |
Yes... easily. Come on. AD and LeBron are best dup next year, Kuz becomes a 3rd guy, and we can sign guys like Beverly, Danny Green, Collison, etc. |
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matrixskillz Star Player
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Posted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 9:17 pm Post subject: |
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BI/4/Hart/Wagner _________________ We only celebrate championships.
"I GOT WHEATIES!" |
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Gatekeeper Star Player
Joined: 11 Jan 2012 Posts: 5103 Location: Southland Native
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AllorNothing Franchise Player
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Posted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 9:44 pm Post subject: |
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2019 wrote: | Laker_Jocker wrote: | Posted in another thread but based on what happened to get Dwight Howard in 2012 - ZO,BI and #4 straight up for AD is not objectively an overpay....
Bigger issue is....Does AD,LBJ,Kuz,Hart,Wagner, Bonga and about 26M cap make a contender? And then what if AD gets pissed and leaves sometime in the year ala Dwight?
Adding Kuz, Hart and/or any other assets on top of the 3 vital assets would be insane especially when the Lakers could simply wait and sign AD for free next year. |
Yes... easily. Come on. AD and LeBron are best dup next year, Kuz becomes a 3rd guy, and we can sign guys like Beverly, Danny Green, Collison, etc. |
Klutch would never let AD abandoned Lebron like that. |
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ContagiousInspiration Franchise Player
Joined: 07 May 2014 Posts: 13811 Location: Boulder ;)
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Posted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 9:57 pm Post subject: |
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I'm confused why people still trust Lonzos durability
His body seems like a risk to keep on our roster, no? |
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Eindhoven Star Player
Joined: 14 Jul 2015 Posts: 1930 Location: Zürich
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Posted: Thu Jun 13, 2019 4:08 am Post subject: |
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#4, Kuzma and one of Lonzo/Ingram _________________ .... |
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governator Franchise Player
Joined: 28 Jan 2006 Posts: 24996
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Posted: Thu Jun 13, 2019 4:16 am Post subject: |
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2 straight 'confirmed' rumors of yourself getting traded... we need to make this AD trade go thru, this can't be good at all for all parties involved if not done |
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UKUGA Starting Rotation
Joined: 19 Feb 2008 Posts: 703 Location: 22033
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Posted: Thu Jun 13, 2019 5:07 am Post subject: |
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n/m
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av3773 Star Player
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Posted: Thu Jun 13, 2019 5:08 am Post subject: |
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Ball, Kuzma, Hart, BI, Mo, Bonga |
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UKUGA Starting Rotation
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Posted: Thu Jun 13, 2019 5:09 am Post subject: |
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Here's what I suspect is happening.
Lakers will gladly give up #4 + some combo of Balll/Ingram/Kuzma/Hart
Probably two of Ball/Ingram/Kuzma, with Hart as a foregone conclusion if the Pels want him.
The Pelicans are wary of the #4 pick, because as everyone keeps saying, this is a top-3 heavy draft.
After the top 3, its Hunter/Culver/Garland, any of whom could be great, or any of whom could be a bust.
Accordingly, the Pels are putting pressure on the Lakers to turn the #4 pick into an existing talent, because, well, if the Lakers can't turn #4 into something, then why should the Pelicans be expected to?
In reality, both the Lakers and the Pelicans are working on finding out what the #4 is worth, with teams naturally hesitant to put their best offer out there for #4, because they know the better player made available, the more likely it is that AD lands in LA (which deep down, no one really wants, other than the Lakes, and maybe Adam Silver).
At the end of the day, the Lakers will be willing to give up pretty much anyone the Lakers have on the roster, + #4. Ultimately, they will try to keep at least one of Ball/Ingram/Kuzma (preferably 2 of them, but that is doubtful).
There are pros/cons to trading/keeping any of them.
Personally, I think that deep down, James & Co. would like to keep Ball, because he is the one that can do the most to take pressure off of both James and Davis, and despite his deficiencies, he clearly embraced the spotlight and won't shrink from the situation.
So ultimately, I think this comes down to what the #4 pick can be turned into, and whether or not another team swoops in and puts a better package on the table.
I don't see the Lakers letting this die over ANYONE on the current roster (or the #4 pick), other than LBJ. |
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DShotMaker1824 Star Player
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Posted: Thu Jun 13, 2019 5:12 am Post subject: |
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LeBron _________________
"Through the legs to the left, through the legs to the right, we don't run them Laker plays, we just Kobe fadeaway..."
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epak Retired Number
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Posted: Thu Jun 13, 2019 5:17 am Post subject: |
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#4, Lonzo, BI, Kuz, LeBron, Moe, Hart to not have another trade thread |
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Moses Star Player
Joined: 23 Aug 2008 Posts: 8262 Location: London
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Posted: Thu Jun 13, 2019 8:49 am Post subject: |
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I'm not huge on it to be honest. Can we get another max guy if we also get AD?
With only a year left on his deal, I wouldn't give the house up for him.
If getting AD meant we could then go out and get a 3rd star via free agency, the fine it's better because joining AD and Bron is more attractive for a potential star free agent than it is without AD.
But if it hampers us, then i'm not sold on AD plus Bron plus a team of nobodies being enough to win it all. _________________ Lakers, Chargers, Dodgers, Arsenal FC.
Mamba Forever
The Marathon Continues
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The Juggernaut Star Player
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Posted: Thu Jun 13, 2019 9:12 am Post subject: |
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At this point I’d only offer BI-Wagner-4th pick-Bonga-future 1st
Take it or leave it NOP. They have no leverage. |
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AFireInside619 Franchise Player
Joined: 11 Dec 2015 Posts: 11447
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Posted: Thu Jun 13, 2019 9:38 am Post subject: |
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Ingram or Ball. Take your pick. Hart. Mo. #4.
We keep Ball or Ingram. Kuz. Bonga. |
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Threatt_Level Starting Rotation
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Posted: Thu Jun 13, 2019 12:04 pm Post subject: |
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Ingram, Kuz, Hart, Wagner, Bonga, and the # 4. All we need to keep is Lonzo. |
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Dominator Star Player
Joined: 19 Nov 2005 Posts: 8671 Location: Irvine
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Posted: Thu Jun 13, 2019 12:08 pm Post subject: |
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I'd give up all 4 of our major assets, to be honest. But if I could keep one it would probably be Lonzo. |
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MrBigPimpin Sixth Man
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Posted: Thu Jun 13, 2019 1:08 pm Post subject: |
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I would trade them all for AD. dude this is Anthony Davis, at one time, considered the best player in the league...he can be that again.... once he joins, gurantee another max star will join, and then vet shooters will join for minimum for a chance to win a ring... |
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Zhengi Star Player
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Posted: Thu Jun 13, 2019 1:21 pm Post subject: |
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Threatt_Level wrote: | Ingram, Kuz, Hart, Wagner, Bonga, and the # 4. All we need to keep is Lonzo. |
This would be the absolute max trade offer I'd give to the Pelicans. Try to keep Kuz, but only include him if absolutely necessary to make the trade work. _________________ I'm like a Hadouken, down-right Fierce! |
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