If the Lakers sign Glenn Robinson III, there won’t be enough minutes for THT to develop at the 2. It may unfortunately lead to Kuzma, KCP, and THT being packaged in a deal at some point in the season. Team has too much damn talent 😀.
If we signed Glenn Robinson III he'd likely be our backup 3, which would be him going after either Wesley Matthews minutes or KCP's.
Either way, if we locked him up it'd mean watching KCP, or Kuzma at the Deadline. Mainly because of KCP's contract means he can finally be traded, and also because Kuzma is looking for an extension. It'd be a very interesting set of circumstances.
For Glenn however it comes down to these choices.
1) Bet on himself and go for the ring(Lakers)
2) Get a long term contract and a bigger role elsewhere (Nets, Kings, Jazz)
As the Clippers just signed Batum, it may have put them out of the Robinson sweepstakes.
You really thought there was even the slightest possibility that the Lakers would deal KCP to pave the way for Robinson? Just throw your laptop out the window, man. _________________ “Christ did not die to forgive sinners who go on treasuring anything above seeing and savoring God. And people who would be happy in heaven if Christ were not there, will not be there."
- John Piper
If the Lakers sign Glenn Robinson III, there won’t be enough minutes for THT to develop at the 2. It may unfortunately lead to Kuzma, KCP, and THT being packaged in a deal at some point in the season. Team has too much damn talent 😀.
If we signed Glenn Robinson III he'd likely be our backup 3, which would be him going after either Wesley Matthews minutes or KCP's.
Either way, if we locked him up it'd mean watching KCP, or Kuzma at the Deadline. Mainly because of KCP's contract means he can finally be traded, and also because Kuzma is looking for an extension. It'd be a very interesting set of circumstances.
For Glenn however it comes down to these choices.
1) Bet on himself and go for the ring(Lakers)
2) Get a long term contract and a bigger role elsewhere (Nets, Kings, Jazz)
As the Clippers just signed Batum, it may have put them out of the Robinson sweepstakes.
You really thought there was even the slightest possibility that the Lakers would deal KCP to pave the way for Robinson? Just throw your laptop out the window, man.
as even the slightest possibility that the Lakers would deal KCP to pave the way for Robinson?
GR III stats last year
11.7 PPG
4.4 REB
48.6% Field Goal
39.1% Three Point
86% Free Throw
28.8 MPG
KCP stats last year
9.3 PPG
2 REB
46.7% Field Goal
38.5% Three Point
77% Free Throw
25.5 MPG
Yeah, if the Lakers were able to nab GR III in free agency for the vets minimum, he'd definitely be in contention for KCP's minutes, along with Matthews or Kuzma's. Not really rocket science.
KCP is signed for 3 years 12-13M a year by us. I would be shocked if he is still here by the end of that contract. That contract means he can't veto any trade deals (like last year with a No Trade Clause as it was a 1 year) and it means if he plays well he can be packaged for another piece at the deadline if we felt we could get similar value for less money.
The Lakers have their sights set in every free agent market over the next three years, and KCP's contract is one that they will move off their books if they think they can get similar value for less money. Not really a foreign concept.
That means had they signed GR III for the vets minimum and he continued to produce then yeah, KCP's his competition.
Or did you just not watch any of GR III's game last year and assumed he played like a scrub?
as even the slightest possibility that the Lakers would deal KCP to pave the way for Robinson?
GR III stats last year
11.7 PPG
4.4 REB
48.6% Field Goal
39.1% Three Point
86% Free Throw
28.8 MPG
KCP stats last year
9.3 PPG
2 REB
46.7% Field Goal
38.5% Three Point
77% Free Throw
25.5 MPG
Yeah, if the Lakers were able to nab GR III in free agency for the vets minimum, he'd definitely be in contention for KCP's minutes, along with Matthews or Kuzma's. Not really rocket science.
KCP is signed for 3 years 12-13M a year by us. I would be shocked if he is still here by the end of that contract. That contract means he can't veto any trade deals (like last year with a No Trade Clause as it was a 1 year) and it means if he plays well he can be packaged for another piece at the deadline if we felt we could get similar value for less money.
The Lakers have their sights set in every free agent market over the next three years, and KCP's contract is one that they will move off their books if they think they can get similar value for less money. Not really a foreign concept.
That means had they signed GR III for the vets minimum and he continued to produce then yeah, KCP's his competition.
Or did you just not watch any of GR III's game last year and assumed he played like a scrub?
Anyway, he's likely going to the Kings anyway so it doesn't matter.
Let's be absolutely clear here. KCP is one of the elite 3 and D guards/wings in the league and is an NBA champion. Robinson would be fortunate if he turns out to be as good as KCP. The numbers he put up last year are a little weak considering the fact that he played on a depleted Warriors team that was losing on purpose. KCP got his numbers playing on a contender and was usually the third best player for the Lakers during the playoffs if Rondo wasn't playing great. Trading KCP to reel in a bigger fish is one thing, but let's not act like Robinson is comparable to KCP. Two different levels. _________________ “Christ did not die to forgive sinners who go on treasuring anything above seeing and savoring God. And people who would be happy in heaven if Christ were not there, will not be there."
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If we just go by offensive paper stats of last season KAT is a better player then AD as well...
He has a way higher 3p%, scores a fraction more, averages another entire assist and rebound more, has a slightly better overall fg% and does all this in half a minute less then it takes AD
as even the slightest possibility that the Lakers would deal KCP to pave the way for Robinson?
GR III stats last year
11.7 PPG
4.4 REB
48.6% Field Goal
39.1% Three Point
86% Free Throw
28.8 MPG
KCP stats last year
9.3 PPG
2 REB
46.7% Field Goal
38.5% Three Point
77% Free Throw
25.5 MPG
Yeah, if the Lakers were able to nab GR III in free agency for the vets minimum, he'd definitely be in contention for KCP's minutes, along with Matthews or Kuzma's. Not really rocket science.
KCP is signed for 3 years 12-13M a year by us. I would be shocked if he is still here by the end of that contract. That contract means he can't veto any trade deals (like last year with a No Trade Clause as it was a 1 year) and it means if he plays well he can be packaged for another piece at the deadline if we felt we could get similar value for less money.
The Lakers have their sights set in every free agent market over the next three years, and KCP's contract is one that they will move off their books if they think they can get similar value for less money. Not really a foreign concept.
That means had they signed GR III for the vets minimum and he continued to produce then yeah, KCP's his competition.
Or did you just not watch any of GR III's game last year and assumed he played like a scrub?
Anyway, he's likely going to the Kings anyway so it doesn't matter.
Let's be absolutely clear here. KCP is one of the elite 3 and D guards/wings in the league and is an NBA champion. Robinson would be fortunate if he turns out to be as good as KCP. The numbers he put up last year are a little weak considering the fact that he played on a depleted Warriors team that was losing on purpose. KCP got his numbers playing on a contender and was usually the third best player for the Lakers during the playoffs if Rondo wasn't playing great. Trading KCP to reel in a bigger fish is one thing, but let's not act like Robinson is comparable to KCP. Two different levels.
Put Kuzma in that Warriors lineup and he probably average more than 20 ppg
as even the slightest possibility that the Lakers would deal KCP to pave the way for Robinson?
GR III stats last year
11.7 PPG
4.4 REB
48.6% Field Goal
39.1% Three Point
86% Free Throw
28.8 MPG
KCP stats last year
9.3 PPG
2 REB
46.7% Field Goal
38.5% Three Point
77% Free Throw
25.5 MPG
Yeah, if the Lakers were able to nab GR III in free agency for the vets minimum, he'd definitely be in contention for KCP's minutes, along with Matthews or Kuzma's. Not really rocket science.
KCP is signed for 3 years 12-13M a year by us. I would be shocked if he is still here by the end of that contract. That contract means he can't veto any trade deals (like last year with a No Trade Clause as it was a 1 year) and it means if he plays well he can be packaged for another piece at the deadline if we felt we could get similar value for less money.
The Lakers have their sights set in every free agent market over the next three years, and KCP's contract is one that they will move off their books if they think they can get similar value for less money. Not really a foreign concept.
That means had they signed GR III for the vets minimum and he continued to produce then yeah, KCP's his competition.
Or did you just not watch any of GR III's game last year and assumed he played like a scrub?
Anyway, he's likely going to the Kings anyway so it doesn't matter.
MSJT laid it down, but my point was KCP, KUZ, (and if any team
was smart they would ask for THT) could be dealt for an All-star. No slight to KCP, he was huge in the Championship run, but as was said, he would be dealt if the right player became available and his salary had to be cut from our cap or was needed to match salary of an incoming player.
as even the slightest possibility that the Lakers would deal KCP to pave the way for Robinson?
GR III stats last year
11.7 PPG
4.4 REB
48.6% Field Goal
39.1% Three Point
86% Free Throw
28.8 MPG
KCP stats last year
9.3 PPG
2 REB
46.7% Field Goal
38.5% Three Point
77% Free Throw
25.5 MPG
Yeah, if the Lakers were able to nab GR III in free agency for the vets minimum, he'd definitely be in contention for KCP's minutes, along with Matthews or Kuzma's. Not really rocket science.
KCP is signed for 3 years 12-13M a year by us. I would be shocked if he is still here by the end of that contract. That contract means he can't veto any trade deals (like last year with a No Trade Clause as it was a 1 year) and it means if he plays well he can be packaged for another piece at the deadline if we felt we could get similar value for less money.
The Lakers have their sights set in every free agent market over the next three years, and KCP's contract is one that they will move off their books if they think they can get similar value for less money. Not really a foreign concept.
That means had they signed GR III for the vets minimum and he continued to produce then yeah, KCP's his competition.
Or did you just not watch any of GR III's game last year and assumed he played like a scrub?
Anyway, he's likely going to the Kings anyway so it doesn't matter.
MSJT laid it down, but my point was KCP, KUZ, (and if any team
was smart they would ask for THT) could be dealt for an All-star. No slight to KCP, he was huge in the Championship run, but as was said, he would be dealt if the right player became available and his salary had to be cut from our cap or was needed to match salary of an incoming player.
Yeah pretty much what GR III showed capable of last year was enough to build off of. Finally carved out a niche for himself and played at a high level.
Biggest missed thing is that despite the Lakers already having Wesley, KCP and Kuzma, they tried to get GR III anyway. So the Lakers had interest in bringing him here but it was a long shot due to only having the vets minimum. But they still tried, worst case scenario was him saying no(which happened), best case was less money along with similar production to one of our wings that either wants to get paid, or that is on a 3 year 12M per year deal.
I dunno why some people can't grasp that, but oh well. He's on the Kings likely now so it's a moot point.
Back to the topic of THT, being that KCP will likely be the 3, THT has all the opportunities to show his growth this year. _________________ How NBA 2K18 failed the All-Time Lakers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxMBYm3wwxk
Dudley said the Lakers are truly 11 deep, and then after that, it’s him. He’ll be ready to play when needed, especially if guys miss games. He also cited the development of
@Thortontucker, whom he thinks will earn real minutes.
Dudley said the Lakers are truly 11 deep, and then after that, it’s him. He’ll be ready to play when needed, especially if guys miss games. He also cited the development of
@Thortontucker, whom he thinks will earn real minutes.
I am so ready for THT to be unleashed a little bit. I’m looking very much forward to his progress.
We need to see what we have in meaningful minutes. Just enough to see if he’s worth extending but not too much that teams might take notice and overpay him. I would say 10-15 minutes max.
Dudley said the Lakers are truly 11 deep, and then after that, it’s him. He’ll be ready to play when needed, especially if guys miss games. He also cited the development of
@Thortontucker, whom he thinks will earn real minutes.
I am so ready for THT to be unleashed a little bit. I’m looking very much forward to his progress.
We need to see what we have in meaningful minutes. Just enough to see if he’s worth extending but not too much that teams might take notice and overpay him. I would say 10-15 minutes max.
He was good in meaningful minutes in the playoffs. I think with the quick turn around almost everyone is going to contribute this season. _________________ Previously LBJ23
Dudley said the Lakers are truly 11 deep, and then after that, it’s him. He’ll be ready to play when needed, especially if guys miss games. He also cited the development of
@Thortontucker, whom he thinks will earn real minutes.
I am so ready for THT to be unleashed a little bit. I’m looking very much forward to his progress.
I thought Dudley was the 13th but he rates himself ahead of McKinnie.
Dudley said the Lakers are truly 11 deep, and then after that, it’s him. He’ll be ready to play when needed, especially if guys miss games. He also cited the development of
@Thortontucker, whom he thinks will earn real minutes.
I am so ready for THT to be unleashed a little bit. I’m looking very much forward to his progress.
I thought Dudley was the 13th but he rates himself ahead of McKinnie.
Laker4lifer4real wrote:
Well, Dudley was perfect from the free throw line last season.
DRPM ranked Dudley as the #13 best defensive sf last season (link). Overall, Dudley was the #55 ranked sf (link)--which is really good for a third string sf (as one would somewhat expect a third string sf to be ranked from 61-90 if talent was equally distributed around the league). McKinnie was #77 (link) and #86 (link), respectively. So, from an RPM and DRPM perspective, Dudley has a point.
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Dudley said the Lakers are truly 11 deep, and then after that, it’s him. He’ll be ready to play when needed, especially if guys miss games. He also cited the development of
@Thortontucker, whom he thinks will earn real minutes.
I am so ready for THT to be unleashed a little bit. I’m looking very much forward to his progress.
I thought Dudley was the 13th but he rates himself ahead of McKinnie.
Unless McKinney can check in game ice cold and knock down open shots, he is behind Dudley
Seems like Frank really likes him. He will get meaningful minutes this season to prove himself. _________________ Playoffs is good enough. - Jeanie Buss 2024
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