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| LaxT wrote: | | Pelinka made three trades after Magic's departure, for AD, THT, and cap space respectively.Telling from what he did, his style is to mortgage the future for potential present gains. The last time the Lakers did this, for Steve Nash, the result was not pretty. |
Yeah, it's not like AD just turned 26 and hasn't even reached his prime yet. It's not like Kuzma is only 24. It's not like we're in position to get Kawhi ( 29 ), Kyrie ( 27 ), DLO ( 22 ) to go along with it.
Oh wait..
There's no point in spending years to get to a point where you can contend when you can contend now. It's illogical, we could have spent 6 years for Zo, BI, and Hart to get to the point that we're at now and that would have been a gamble. Why not just start contending now? |
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| Day wrote: | | LaxT wrote: | | Pelinka made three trades after Magic's departure, for AD, THT, and cap space respectively.Telling from what he did, his style is to mortgage the future for potential present gains. The last time the Lakers did this, for Steve Nash, the result was not pretty. |
Yeah, it's not like AD just turned 26 and hasn't even reached his prime yet. It's not like Kuzma is only 24. It's not like we're in position to get Kawhi ( 29 ), Kyrie ( 27 ), DLO ( 22 ) to go along with it.
Oh wait..
There's no point in spending years to get to a point where you can contend when you can contend now. It's illogical, we could have spent 6 years for Zo, BI, and Hart to get to the point that we're at now and that would have been a gamble. Why not just start contending now? |
So you actually agree with my observation but, as Pelinka does, chooses to put an emphasis on the present/immediate future.
He has traded away nearly every pick possible, either first or second round. You don't need to look far to know that it is going to hurt. I would wish the front office puts an equal emphasis on lasting success, just like what the Spurs have done or what the Lakers used to do. Perhaps Pelinka and/or the other decision makers around him are under too much pressure to WIN NOW. |
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SocalDevin
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Do we crown players as greats after one game, or one season? I think it's safe to say he's competent.
Let's give his career a few seasons or years before we try to answer this question. |
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| LaxT wrote: | | Day wrote: | | LaxT wrote: | | Pelinka made three trades after Magic's departure, for AD, THT, and cap space respectively.Telling from what he did, his style is to mortgage the future for potential present gains. The last time the Lakers did this, for Steve Nash, the result was not pretty. |
Yeah, it's not like AD just turned 26 and hasn't even reached his prime yet. It's not like Kuzma is only 24. It's not like we're in position to get Kawhi ( 29 ), Kyrie ( 27 ), DLO ( 22 ) to go along with it.
Oh wait..
There's no point in spending years to get to a point where you can contend when you can contend now. It's illogical, we could have spent 6 years for Zo, BI, and Hart to get to the point that we're at now and that would have been a gamble. Why not just start contending now? |
So you actually agree with my observation but, as Pelinka does, chooses to put an emphasis on the present/immediate future.
He has traded away nearly every pick possible, either first or second round. You don't need to look far to know that it is going to hurt. I would wish the front office puts an equal emphasis on lasting success, just like what the Spurs have done or what the Lakers used to do. Perhaps Pelinka and/or the other decision makers around him are under too much pressure to WIN NOW. |
The pick things are being looked at over dramatically here. Two of the future first rounders were pick swaps so we still get to have a pick that year. Second rounders are worth nothing, you can just buy them as we‘ve seen multiple times now. So that makes what? Two first rounders we‘ve actually sent out? When we‘re looking at probably having the talent to stay at least in the playoffs for the next decade. We shouldn’t put too much stock into those picks, honestly.
What‘s going to determine how great a GM Pelinka is, is going to be how he performs starting next week. If we‘re going to build a sustainable winner, he‘ll either have to get Kawhi or build all those contracts he‘s adding around LeBrons contract. If he can get these to end together with LeBrons deal, we‘ll be able to retool after he retires in three years. The Lakers are in A PERFECT position to set themselves up for contending for a whole decade people. |
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| LaxT wrote: | | Pelinka made three trades after Magic's departure, for AD, THT, and cap space respectively.Telling from what he did, his style is to mortgage the future for potential present gains. The last time the Lakers did this, for Steve Nash, the result was not pretty. |
This makes no sense. Steve Nash was 38 years old; AD is a 26-year-old MVP level player who may have not even reached his prime yet. He's two years younger than Kareem when we got him; and just two years older than Shaq when we got him. If that's "mortgaging the future for potential present gains" let's keep on mortgaging.
A 27-year-old Kawhi, or 27-year-old Kyrie Irving? I'll swap that for a couple of 21-year-old guys with "potential" that may or may not pan out anyday. |
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| supermegamen wrote: | | LaxT wrote: | | Day wrote: | | LaxT wrote: | | Pelinka made three trades after Magic's departure, for AD, THT, and cap space respectively.Telling from what he did, his style is to mortgage the future for potential present gains. The last time the Lakers did this, for Steve Nash, the result was not pretty. |
Yeah, it's not like AD just turned 26 and hasn't even reached his prime yet. It's not like Kuzma is only 24. It's not like we're in position to get Kawhi ( 29 ), Kyrie ( 27 ), DLO ( 22 ) to go along with it.
Oh wait..
There's no point in spending years to get to a point where you can contend when you can contend now. It's illogical, we could have spent 6 years for Zo, BI, and Hart to get to the point that we're at now and that would have been a gamble. Why not just start contending now? |
So you actually agree with my observation but, as Pelinka does, chooses to put an emphasis on the present/immediate future.
He has traded away nearly every pick possible, either first or second round. You don't need to look far to know that it is going to hurt. I would wish the front office puts an equal emphasis on lasting success, just like what the Spurs have done or what the Lakers used to do. Perhaps Pelinka and/or the other decision makers around him are under too much pressure to WIN NOW. |
The pick things are being looked at over dramatically here. Two of the future first rounders were pick swaps so we still get to have a pick that year. Second rounders are worth nothing, you can just buy them as we‘ve seen multiple times now. So that makes what? Two first rounders we‘ve actually sent out? When we‘re looking at probably having the talent to stay at least in the playoffs for the next decade. We shouldn’t put too much stock into those picks, honestly.
What‘s going to determine how great a GM Pelinka is, is going to be how he performs starting next week. If we‘re going to build a sustainable winner, he‘ll either have to get Kawhi or build all those contracts he‘s adding around LeBrons contract. If he can get these to end together with LeBrons deal, we‘ll be able to retool after he retires in three years. The Lakers are in A PERFECT position to set themselves up for contending for a whole decade people. |
Pelinka's audition had started since Magic resigned. He will take either full credit or full blame. I think that's why no other decision maker was hired--to have clear-cut accountability.
Three trades have been done so far, and not operated coherently. We shall see whether this is just random or his style. |
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Three trades have been done so far, and not operated coherently. We shall see whether this is just random or his style. |
Sorry, but that's silly... you are assuming that everything is simply laid out for Rob to walk in and take as he wants, as if this is an NBA2K19 simulation.... real life doesn't work that way!
Think about it. You are ignoring the difficulty of agreeing to a trade with a hostile Pelicans... ignoring the difficulty of choosing to pass on AD after he and his agent (who also represents LeGramps) did a lot to help force their way out of the Pels... ignoring the precarious position we were left in after the drama that Magic caused, which could have impacted the desire of the top FAs to sign here... and are ignoring that Rob worked his way through the cap to find space for THREE MAX FAs while not being beholden to the Pels. In terms of setting us up with the space to get three max FAs, this has been a coup!
Most importantly, you're operating under the assumption that every bit of fake news reported in the sports media fake is true... without actually knowing what Rob and others in the Lakers' FO have been thinking/planning and working toward as well as the order in which they planned to make their moves. Give others their credit... instead of thinking that you know better... and therefore, that what they have done is "incoherent". That's a delusion of grandeur.
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| As i said few days earlier, Rob Pelinka is the best GM in the league...haters gonna hate, but i have 100% confidence in Rob The GOAT... |
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| M2K wrote: | | socalsp3 wrote: | | Magic signed Lebron. |
Yes...and then surrounded him with players who couldn't shoot the ball. Brilliant! |
And then set the Lakers up to dump all those non-shooters to get AD and another max player, which could set the Lakers up to have foundational players like AD/Kahawi for the next 10 years, which potentially puts the Lakers in the championship hunt for the next 10 years.
Mission on its way to being accomplished. Looks like management (Rob minus Magic) is doing what they came here to do.
Brilliant!
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| SocalDevin wrote: | Do we crown players as greats after one game, or one season? I think it's safe to say he's competent.
Let's give his career a few seasons or years before we try to answer this question. |
Yes, people here do crown players as great after one game.
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SUCK IT AINGE
BUCK FOSTON
2016
https://www.thebirdwrites.com/platform/amp/2016/11/18/13657308/anthony-davis-trade-rumors-boston-celtics-new-orleans-pelicans-danny-ainge
Acquiring Davis will cost plenty, but Boston is one of the few franchises that has the available talent to make such a move. Celtics general manager Danny Ainge has always leaned toward being aggressive when it comes to acquiring talent, and Davis is a true franchise player that can help Boston compete with the likes of the Cleveland Cavaliers.
http://www.celticslife.com/2016/11/anthony-davis-wants-pelicans-to-be-like.html?m=1
Maybe we can have our top recruiter Isaiah Thomas get some words in with Davis tonight so he can force his way to Beantown.
2017
https://www.sbnation.com/platform/amp/2017/8/30/16228000/anthony-davis-trade-rumors-celtics-pelicans
If Anthony Davis becomes available — and the Celtics’ eyes are very much trained on him — Boston could throw together a package more compelling than just about anyone else’s.
https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/video/thomsen-ainge-can-have-real-conversation-pelicans-anthony-davis
BOSTON CELTICS
Thomsen: Ainge can have real conversation for Anthony Davis
Ian Thomsen joins Sports Sunday and says that with the assets the Celtics have now, Danny Ainge can have a real conversation with New Orleans for Anthony Davis.
http://www.basketballinsiders.com/hypothetical-trade-getting-anthony-davis-to-boston/
Anthony Davis hears the rumors; he knows they are out there. But, Davis just wants to win basketball games.
Davis sat down with ESPN’s Adrian Wojnarowski on Monday and talked about his desire to win a title with the New Orleans Pelicans. However, Wojnarowski managed to bring up that teams, namely, the Boston Celtics “remain vigilant” on the possibility of acquiring the big man via trade.
2018
https://heavy.com/sports/2018/12/anthony-davis-boston-celtics/amp/
Celtics-Anthony Davis Trade Rumors: Ainge Wanted Pelicans Star Since ‘Kentucky,’ Says NBA Insider
https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/celtics/celtics-among-five-teams-anthony-davis-short-list-report-says
Longtime NBA writer Chris Sheridan dropped a juicy report Friday suggesting it's "more likely than not" the New Orleans Pelicans trade Davis by the February deadline if they're not in serious playoff contention
In fact, Sheridan noted the Celtics are "very much in play as the ultimate long-term landing zone" for Davis and pointed out that one sportsbook (BetDSI.eu) gives Boston the best odds to land the superstar forward.
2019
https://www.masslive.com/celtics/2019/05/anthony-davis-trade-rumors-2019-danny-ainge-believes-boston-celtics-trading-for-davis-would-secure-kyrie-irving-report.html
The Boston Celtics no longer have to worry about the New York Knicks or the Los Angeles Lakers landing the No. 1 pick and gaining an opportunity to trade Zion Williamson to the New Orleans Pelicans in exchange for Anthony Davis. |
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| LaxT wrote: | | Day wrote: | | LaxT wrote: | | Pelinka made three trades after Magic's departure, for AD, THT, and cap space respectively.Telling from what he did, his style is to mortgage the future for potential present gains. The last time the Lakers did this, for Steve Nash, the result was not pretty. |
Yeah, it's not like AD just turned 26 and hasn't even reached his prime yet. It's not like Kuzma is only 24. It's not like we're in position to get Kawhi ( 29 ), Kyrie ( 27 ), DLO ( 22 ) to go along with it.
Oh wait..
There's no point in spending years to get to a point where you can contend when you can contend now. It's illogical, we could have spent 6 years for Zo, BI, and Hart to get to the point that we're at now and that would have been a gamble. Why not just start contending now? |
So you actually agree with my observation but, as Pelinka does, chooses to put an emphasis on the present/immediate future.
He has traded away nearly every pick possible, either first or second round. You don't need to look far to know that it is going to hurt. I would wish the front office puts an equal emphasis on lasting success, just like what the Spurs have done or what the Lakers used to do. Perhaps Pelinka and/or the other decision makers around him are under too much pressure to WIN NOW. |
You just don't get it. This is the Lakers, not San Antonio. 16 titles to 5. 3 times as many plus 1. Our last run was 8 years ago. The Lakers have always been a win now team. Even as we struck out on every free agent imaginable we were in win now mode. We will never be a team that builds through the draft by choice. Its not too late to be a clippers fan, they seem to fit your ideals. |
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| LaxT wrote: | | Day wrote: | | LaxT wrote: | | Pelinka made three trades after Magic's departure, for AD, THT, and cap space respectively.Telling from what he did, his style is to mortgage the future for potential present gains. The last time the Lakers did this, for Steve Nash, the result was not pretty. |
Yeah, it's not like AD just turned 26 and hasn't even reached his prime yet. It's not like Kuzma is only 24. It's not like we're in position to get Kawhi ( 29 ), Kyrie ( 27 ), DLO ( 22 ) to go along with it.
Oh wait..
There's no point in spending years to get to a point where you can contend when you can contend now. It's illogical, we could have spent 6 years for Zo, BI, and Hart to get to the point that we're at now and that would have been a gamble. Why not just start contending now? |
So you actually agree with my observation but, as Pelinka does, chooses to put an emphasis on the present/immediate future.
He has traded away nearly every pick possible, either first or second round. You don't need to look far to know that it is going to hurt. I would wish the front office puts an equal emphasis on lasting success, just like what the Spurs have done or what the Lakers used to do. Perhaps Pelinka and/or the other decision makers around him are under too much pressure to WIN NOW. |
You are right, Pelinka is prioritizing the short term.
But you are wrong in making a comparison with Dwight/Nash. |
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| LaxT wrote: | | Day wrote: | | LaxT wrote: | | Pelinka made three trades after Magic's departure, for AD, THT, and cap space respectively.Telling from what he did, his style is to mortgage the future for potential present gains. The last time the Lakers did this, for Steve Nash, the result was not pretty. |
Yeah, it's not like AD just turned 26 and hasn't even reached his prime yet. It's not like Kuzma is only 24. It's not like we're in position to get Kawhi ( 29 ), Kyrie ( 27 ), DLO ( 22 ) to go along with it.
Oh wait..
There's no point in spending years to get to a point where you can contend when you can contend now. It's illogical, we could have spent 6 years for Zo, BI, and Hart to get to the point that we're at now and that would have been a gamble. Why not just start contending now? |
So you actually agree with my observation but, as Pelinka does, chooses to put an emphasis on the present/immediate future.
He has traded away nearly every pick possible, either first or second round. You don't need to look far to know that it is going to hurt. I would wish the front office puts an equal emphasis on lasting success, just like what the Spurs have done or what the Lakers used to do. Perhaps Pelinka and/or the other decision makers around him are under too much pressure to WIN NOW. |
The Lakers never have done that. They have always traded away most everything once they had their 1 or 2 stars.
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| SocalDevin wrote: | Do we crown players as greats after one game, or one season? I think it's safe to say he's competent.
Let's give his career a few seasons or years before we try to answer this question. |
Technically, you do crown a player after one season—they become an all star.
Not to be one of extremes, i.e. Rob is a moron vs Rob is the greatest. But I think it is safe to say based on his short track record, he is more than competent if competency means the average GM. And also, he has a relevant history. He was a scholar in college, winner of several scholastic awards, earned a law degree (Juris Doctor), passed the Bar, went on to work for one of the top law firms in the nation, became an agent for Tellem, then branched out on his own, and has very successfully represented numerous players. |
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| LBJ23 wrote: | | LaxT wrote: | | Day wrote: | | LaxT wrote: | | Pelinka made three trades after Magic's departure, for AD, THT, and cap space respectively.Telling from what he did, his style is to mortgage the future for potential present gains. The last time the Lakers did this, for Steve Nash, the result was not pretty. |
Yeah, it's not like AD just turned 26 and hasn't even reached his prime yet. It's not like Kuzma is only 24. It's not like we're in position to get Kawhi ( 29 ), Kyrie ( 27 ), DLO ( 22 ) to go along with it.
Oh wait..
There's no point in spending years to get to a point where you can contend when you can contend now. It's illogical, we could have spent 6 years for Zo, BI, and Hart to get to the point that we're at now and that would have been a gamble. Why not just start contending now? |
So you actually agree with my observation but, as Pelinka does, chooses to put an emphasis on the present/immediate future.
He has traded away nearly every pick possible, either first or second round. You don't need to look far to know that it is going to hurt. I would wish the front office puts an equal emphasis on lasting success, just like what the Spurs have done or what the Lakers used to do. Perhaps Pelinka and/or the other decision makers around him are under too much pressure to WIN NOW. |
The Lakers never have done that. They have always traded away most everything once they had their 1 or 2 stars. |
Even though it looks like we might win this offseason
We have historically won our trades in the past... we never gave up this huge amount of assets because we were never bad for six years before and we never had this many young players and high picks.
This is uncharted territory for us.
I feel much better now that we have a legit shot at Kawhi or even DLo, but we came very close to disaster and signing a bunch of role players who would not have been enough to get us the title.
Just because someone wins the lotto... doesn't mean it's a good strategy to spend half your paycheck on lotto tickets every week.
If we come out of this okay, it was from mostly luck... unless we find out Rob had it planned with Kawhi all season long.
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I wouldn't go so far to call him a great genius GM.
But I do owe him an apology for saying he was trash. Maybe it was all Magic all along and his ouster was exactly what this team needed.
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Boston writers should just stick with moving to LA and becoming Sitcom writers... 😂
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | I wouldn't go so far to call him a great genius GM.
But I do owe him an apology for saying he was trash. Maybe it was all Magic all along and his ouster was exactly what this team needed. |
You owe LG an apology as well! 🤔
Okay, no you don’t... 🤣
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| Pelinka could've traded Zubac for a future pick |
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Jury's still out, not all evidence in. We need to see whom he signs this summer, especially given that the majority of our non-LBJ moves last year (aside from McGee) were horrible misfires. Wagner over Shamet in the 1st round. Both 2nd round picks traded away. A combined $27M on KCP, Rondo, Stephenson, and Beasley. No shooters added til mid-season.
If he gets Kawhi and finds the right players for the cap and minimum exceptions, AND AD RE-SIGNS, then Pelinka moves up. If he misses Kawhi or Kyrie but makes smart picks to give us depth, shooting, and some potential long-term talent well under the age of 30, AND AD RE-SIGNS, then Pelinka moves up.
But if next year is just AD and LBJ leading Meme Team 2.0, and AD WALKS? Holy freaking hell is gonna break loose. |
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Ramona felt that Rob really didn’t know the cap. Emplay felt the same way on Mason and Ireland. Anthony Irwin heard from many reliable sources that Pelinka messed up. Arye’s tweet gave us hope, but he’s just a stalker kid who supposedly steals tweets, rewinds time like Dr. Strange, and claims them for himself. What an up and down two weeks. I’m glad it seems like Rob does know what he’s doing. Sorry there were some doubts. If we get anything from Kawhi to DLO plus fillers, I will be very happy.
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| socalsp3 wrote: | | Pelinka could've traded Zubac for a future pick |
Remember Pelinka was under Magic who made that trade, so you can't pin it on him. |
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| Stumpy25 wrote: | | socalsp3 wrote: | | Pelinka could've traded Zubac for a future pick |
Remember Pelinka was under Magic who made that trade, so you can't pin it on him. |
Magic was pissed they pin that trade on him. Pelinka said the Lakers centers were too similar. |
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