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PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2019 12:21 pm    Post subject:

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Plan: 2 max + young guys

then Kawhi becomes FA... and he says 'I'll meet with you and consider Lakers'

Do you automatically say no or do you take a chance?

It's a Kawhi, as snaky as we found now, we gotta take the chance


Agree you take a chance on Kawhi.

But you draw a line and allow yourself to pivot to a plan B, imo.


isn't that what happened


Nope


So your plan B is overpaying for X players that were already gone long before any reasonable “line”. OK.


Better than overpaying for X players from a bare cupboard after striking out.


Are you two saying that the 'line' should be PRIOR to Kawhi making a final decision?
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governator wrote:
dabask11 wrote:
HBLaker wrote:
ringfinger wrote:
governator wrote:
ringfinger wrote:
governator wrote:
Plan: 2 max + young guys

then Kawhi becomes FA... and he says 'I'll meet with you and consider Lakers'

Do you automatically say no or do you take a chance?

It's a Kawhi, as snaky as we found now, we gotta take the chance


Agree you take a chance on Kawhi.

But you draw a line and allow yourself to pivot to a plan B, imo.


isn't that what happened


Nope


So your plan B is overpaying for X players that were already gone long before any reasonable “line”. OK.


Better than overpaying for X players from a bare cupboard after striking out.


Are you two saying that the 'line' should be PRIOR to Kawhi making a final decision?


Yes given the results.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2019 12:36 pm    Post subject:

dabask11 wrote:
governator wrote:
dabask11 wrote:
HBLaker wrote:
ringfinger wrote:
governator wrote:
ringfinger wrote:
governator wrote:
Plan: 2 max + young guys

then Kawhi becomes FA... and he says 'I'll meet with you and consider Lakers'

Do you automatically say no or do you take a chance?

It's a Kawhi, as snaky as we found now, we gotta take the chance


Agree you take a chance on Kawhi.

But you draw a line and allow yourself to pivot to a plan B, imo.


isn't that what happened


Nope


So your plan B is overpaying for X players that were already gone long before any reasonable “line”. OK.


Better than overpaying for X players from a bare cupboard after striking out.


Are you two saying that the 'line' should be PRIOR to Kawhi making a final decision?


Yes given the results.

You just described hindsight.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2019 12:39 pm    Post subject:

dabask11 wrote:
governator wrote:
dabask11 wrote:
HBLaker wrote:
ringfinger wrote:
governator wrote:
ringfinger wrote:
governator wrote:
Plan: 2 max + young guys

then Kawhi becomes FA... and he says 'I'll meet with you and consider Lakers'

Do you automatically say no or do you take a chance?

It's a Kawhi, as snaky as we found now, we gotta take the chance


Agree you take a chance on Kawhi.

But you draw a line and allow yourself to pivot to a plan B, imo.


isn't that what happened


Nope


So your plan B is overpaying for X players that were already gone long before any reasonable “line”. OK.


Better than overpaying for X players from a bare cupboard after striking out.


Are you two saying that the 'line' should be PRIOR to Kawhi making a final decision?


Yes given the results.


The discussion was based on “taking a risk” on Kawhi being the correct choice.

Your 20/20 hindsight position is not something anyone was advocating for.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2019 12:42 pm    Post subject:

Front-office failed by not signing a max FA with out capspace after trading all of our assets.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2019 12:44 pm    Post subject:

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Should be noted that of last Summer's much maligned signings, Pelinka brought 3 out of 5 of them back.
Nah broooo.....he's allegedly killed it.


Who should he have signed instead and when and at what terms?

He has nabbed practically every decent free agent (we can argue Rondo and KCP I guess) after Kawhi went rogue.
I just didn't like the signings made after all the better players signed. Not saying all the players signed were bad. Avery Bradley was a good signing imo. Everyone else at the price and some terms given, especially guys like Green and KCP were marginal. I was not a Kawhi or bust guy. Even though I think he was easily the best FA available. I just thought our chances of landing him were slim to none.

So to say Pelinka killed it, nah. He struck out in free agency imo. But to say he failed would be wrong too. He got us AD which was great but everything else after that with the cap we had remaining was average.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2019 1:02 pm    Post subject:

HBLaker wrote:
ringfinger wrote:
governator wrote:
ringfinger wrote:
governator wrote:
Plan: 2 max + young guys

then Kawhi becomes FA... and he says 'I'll meet with you and consider Lakers'

Do you automatically say no or do you take a chance?

It's a Kawhi, as snaky as we found now, we gotta take the chance


Agree you take a chance on Kawhi.

But you draw a line and allow yourself to pivot to a plan B, imo.


isn't that what happened


Nope


So your plan B is overpaying for X players that were already gone long before any reasonable “line”. OK.


Nope
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2019 1:03 pm    Post subject:

HBLaker wrote:
dabask11 wrote:
governator wrote:
dabask11 wrote:
HBLaker wrote:
ringfinger wrote:
governator wrote:
ringfinger wrote:
governator wrote:
Plan: 2 max + young guys

then Kawhi becomes FA... and he says 'I'll meet with you and consider Lakers'

Do you automatically say no or do you take a chance?

It's a Kawhi, as snaky as we found now, we gotta take the chance


Agree you take a chance on Kawhi.

But you draw a line and allow yourself to pivot to a plan B, imo.


isn't that what happened


Nope


So your plan B is overpaying for X players that were already gone long before any reasonable “line”. OK.


Better than overpaying for X players from a bare cupboard after striking out.


Are you two saying that the 'line' should be PRIOR to Kawhi making a final decision?


Yes given the results.


The discussion was based on “taking a risk” on Kawhi being the correct choice.

Your 20/20 hindsight position is not something anyone was advocating for.


But what some are pointing out is the difference between going all in vs taking a calculated risk.

No one saying the lakers shouldn't have pursued kawhi. However if they had handled things better, they wouldn't be in a place where they would be scrambling to make the best out of a failed situation, even if they did so to some extent.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2019 1:04 pm    Post subject:

dabask11 wrote:
HBLaker wrote:
dabask11 wrote:
governator wrote:
dabask11 wrote:
HBLaker wrote:
ringfinger wrote:
governator wrote:
ringfinger wrote:
governator wrote:
Plan: 2 max + young guys

then Kawhi becomes FA... and he says 'I'll meet with you and consider Lakers'

Do you automatically say no or do you take a chance?

It's a Kawhi, as snaky as we found now, we gotta take the chance


Agree you take a chance on Kawhi.

But you draw a line and allow yourself to pivot to a plan B, imo.


isn't that what happened


Nope


So your plan B is overpaying for X players that were already gone long before any reasonable “line”. OK.


Better than overpaying for X players from a bare cupboard after striking out.


Are you two saying that the 'line' should be PRIOR to Kawhi making a final decision?


Yes given the results.


The discussion was based on “taking a risk” on Kawhi being the correct choice.

Your 20/20 hindsight position is not something anyone was advocating for.


But what some are pointing out is the difference between going all in vs taking a calculated risk.

No one saying the lakers shouldn't have pursued kawhi. However if they had handled things better, they wouldn't be in a place where they would scrambling to make the best out of a failed situation, even if they did so to some extent.


But how do you handled waiting for Kawhi decision better?
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2019 1:05 pm    Post subject:

Too early to say, but it's amazing the moves he was able to pull off despite the fact that everyone in the league hates him and nobody will answer his calls
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2019 1:07 pm    Post subject:

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The only player I have an issue with is rondo.
That's the only stupid move so far.

KCP got the same type of money others got. KCPs biggest issue was him being the default veteran on the floor and thinking he could go mamba. He's got more vets now who will limit that dumbassery.

Pelinka has don't well.
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I would say that Rondo and Cousins were unnecessary signings.


I understand the logic on Cousins, to an extent, as a hedge on another volatile asset in McGee, but wish there was a safer, more boring option available. It just seems like this org is addicted to gambling (perhaps the Buss legacy).


*Name brand addiction - Rondo, Cousins (although there could be some upside to DMC if he can get healthy). For the money it's hard to complain, but WCS would have been as good if not better than Cousins.

*Poor talent evaluation/duplication/balance - Dudley, Daniels, Cook (Dudley was unnecessary for sure - Cook and Daniels are legit shooters but not much else). KCP was a bit head scratcher, hopefully he helps in some later needs. All in all, paid 23M for SG spot which I guess is about market.

*Jury still out - Haven't gotten the "specialist" SF/PF yet. Dudley I guess until something better comes along. Also a 3rd big would be good when JaVale's asthma and DMC's legs kick in.

Rest was pretty good - Lakers are 9 deep ATM:

Bradley-Caruso......Cook/Coach Rondo
Green-KCP............Daniels
LBJ-Kuz/KCP...............(THT?/Stephenson?/Iggy?/Korver?)
AD-Kuz.................Dudley
JaVale-DMC...........(Pau?/Chandler?/Monroe?/Nene?/Faried?)
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2019 1:09 pm    Post subject:

governator wrote:
dabask11 wrote:
HBLaker wrote:
dabask11 wrote:
governator wrote:
dabask11 wrote:
HBLaker wrote:
ringfinger wrote:
governator wrote:
ringfinger wrote:
governator wrote:
Plan: 2 max + young guys

then Kawhi becomes FA... and he says 'I'll meet with you and consider Lakers'

Do you automatically say no or do you take a chance?

It's a Kawhi, as snaky as we found now, we gotta take the chance


Agree you take a chance on Kawhi.

But you draw a line and allow yourself to pivot to a plan B, imo.


isn't that what happened


Nope


So your plan B is overpaying for X players that were already gone long before any reasonable “line”. OK.


Better than overpaying for X players from a bare cupboard after striking out.


Are you two saying that the 'line' should be PRIOR to Kawhi making a final decision?


Yes given the results.


The discussion was based on “taking a risk” on Kawhi being the correct choice.

Your 20/20 hindsight position is not something anyone was advocating for.


But what some are pointing out is the difference between going all in vs taking a calculated risk.

No one saying the lakers shouldn't have pursued kawhi. However if they had handled things better, they wouldn't be in a place where they would scrambling to make the best out of a failed situation, even if they did so to some extent.


But how do you handled waiting for Kawhi decision better?


Give a deadline and not make it kawhi or bust. Execute plan b properly instead of scrambling and overpaying for leftovers.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2019 1:12 pm    Post subject:

Pelinka will never be a great GM unless we win a 3peat under his helm.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2019 1:20 pm    Post subject:

Beir32 wrote:

You just described hindsight.


Not as much because this was a predictable outcome. The issue some people point out is the lakers putting themselves in a situation where such outcomes are possible instead of a more calculated one where they come out looking good regardless.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2019 1:53 pm    Post subject:

Too early to call this group good or bad but if we can get a good start to the season, that should help.


This does look a lot more like the Championship teams LeBron was a apart of.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2019 3:45 pm    Post subject:

greenfrog wrote:
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The only player I have an issue with is rondo.
That's the only stupid move so far.

KCP got the same type of money others got. KCPs biggest issue was him being the default veteran on the floor and thinking he could go mamba. He's got more vets now who will limit that dumbassery.

Pelinka has don't well.
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I would say that Rondo and Cousins were unnecessary signings.


I understand the logic on Cousins, to an extent, as a hedge on another volatile asset in McGee, but wish there was a safer, more boring option available. It just seems like this org is addicted to gambling (perhaps the Buss legacy).


Looney was “available” though no one knows if he would ever leave GS. I would prefer him by a large margin over Cousins and obviously GS does as well.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2019 3:55 pm    Post subject:

He essentially gave Rondo, McGee and KCP no-trade vetos and overpaid significantly for KCP.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2019 4:17 pm    Post subject:

In reality, I think we missed out on one solid player. We wouldn't have paid the max to Russell and, as it turns out, Danny Green was demanding Patrick Beverly money. So the players we missed out on were basically guys like Beverly, McConnell, Ty Jones and Bogdanovic. Instead of signing those guys, we gave the money to Cook, KCP and McGee.

However, my guess is we'd be in the same place otherwise. We likely still would have Green, Dudley, Bradley, Cousins, Daniels, Caruso and a chance at Iggy. However, I also have to believe that had we not gone after Kawhi at all, we'd still have at least Hart and one of the draft picks we gave up.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2019 4:35 pm    Post subject:

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In reality, I think we missed out on one solid player. We wouldn't have paid the max to Russell and, as it turns out, Danny Green was demanding Patrick Beverly money. So the players we missed out on were basically guys like Beverly, McConnell, Ty Jones and Bogdanovic. Instead of signing those guys, we gave the money to Cook, KCP and McGee.

However, my guess is we'd be in the same place otherwise. We likely still would have Green, Dudley, Bradley, Cousins, Daniels, Caruso and a chance at Iggy. However, I also have to believe that had we not gone after Kawhi at all, we'd still have at least Hart and one of the draft picks we gave up.


Bogdanovic would have been a nice get but he got paid. It would have been him or Green and I don't believe Bogdanovic would have waited.

Beverly vs. Bradley. If Bradley has recovered from his injuries I prefer Bradley for the price and court performance.

McConnell, seems the 76er fans did not have a problem seeing him go.

I prefer Tyus over KCP and the money is equal. Would he have accepted 2 years?

I see your point. Another solid player would be nice.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2019 5:22 pm    Post subject:

I would've preferred Seth Curry over KCP, but I don't think we would've offered him that 3rd year, so he probably wouldn't have come unless we overpaid. This is why I don't understand the anger over the KCP signing. In this market it's not an overpay. He's still a serviceable SG.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2019 5:26 pm    Post subject:

Hero Ball wrote:
Pelinka will never be a great GM unless we win a 3peat under his helm.


By that standard, who in the league is a great GM?
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2019 5:29 pm    Post subject:

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Front-office failed by not signing a max FA with out capspace after trading all of our assets.


Only Kawhi IMHO was the only FA worth the max
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2019 5:32 pm    Post subject:

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Pelinka will never be a great GM unless we win a 3peat under his helm.


By that standard, who in the league is a great GM?


Ridiculous standard... only the celts, bulls and the Lakers have accomplished that...
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2019 5:32 pm    Post subject:

Ziggy wrote:
I would've preferred Seth Curry over KCP, but I don't think we would've offered him that 3rd year, so he probably wouldn't have come unless we overpaid. This is why I don't understand the anger over the KCP signing. In this market it's not an overpay. He's still a serviceable SG.


4 year contract although I am not sure if the last year is guaranteed.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2019 6:09 pm    Post subject:

tyus is not any better than kcp or green. kcp is a good player guys, stop hating. btw the hate kcp gets is the same as lou and nick young when they were here. stop hating these guys, this year you will see how valuable they are. tyus shoots just as good/bad as kcp, is shorter, and plays worse defense.
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