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lakerjoshua
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 Posted: Thu Jun 27, 2019 6:59 pm Post subject: Re: The July 6 date is actually a hard stop for us and can screw us over |
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| crucifixion wrote: | | activeverb wrote: | | crucifixion wrote: | After the great news today of clearing space, I got to thinking about our situation and realized we can still be screwed over.
The AD trade has to be done on July 6. We all know the details, we need to sign our FA first with our available space, then trade our players for AD.
So what this means is, say Kawhi wants to think about his options and won't decide until 7/7. Guess what, we're officially eliminated from him because we need to sign him on 7/6.
Same thing with DLo. If KD/Kyrie decide to take time and decide after 7/6, then the Nets have no reason to renounce DLo by 7/6 which again means we can't get him.
So the next few days will be huge and if the big guys decide to wait we may be forced to sign a bunch of role players in order to use up the cap because quite bluntly our cap space expires on 7/6, putting us at a major disadvantage.
Even the role players may say they want to wait till the big fish settle. So while a Beverly may be cool with a 4/48 from us, they may want to wait and force us to offer something like $16m per just to get a commitment by 7/6.
So great news today but the next few days will be the most critical to get firm commitments by 7/6. |
I haven't heard about the Lakers needing to sign a free agent first, but assuming it's true it's not a big deal. If Kawhi or anyone else is on the clock and doesn't make a decision, it merely means they decided not to sign with us.
In reality, top stars tend to announce their decision before they can even officially signed. There is no reason Kawhi needs to take an extra day.
As someone else said, this thread seems like manufactured drama. |
Yes because the AD trade that was agreed upon is based on a 7/6 date. So if we don't sign anyone then AD will actually use up most of our cap. The way it's set up is first we use our cap to sign someone then we'll have no cap space and we'll be operating as an over the cap team meaning we can go over the cap to trade for AD as long as salaries are close.
So in order to maximize this we have to sign SOMEONE on 7/6 then complete the trade. Like I said if no one commits early then most of our capspace is gone to cover the shortage of lonzo/Ingram/Hart salary vs AD salary |
It’s been proven Rob Pelinka already botched the timing of the AD trade and cost us the cap space. There’s absolutely zero reason to think he’s mapped out this Free Agency. It’s a bust ya’ll this Front Office can’t get anything right ...........Oh, wait, never mind. |
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| Posted: Thu Jun 27, 2019 7:20 pm Post subject: Re: The July 6 date is actually a hard stop for us and can screw us over |
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| crucifixion wrote: | | activeverb wrote: | | crucifixion wrote: | After the great news today of clearing space, I got to thinking about our situation and realized we can still be screwed over.
The AD trade has to be done on July 6. We all know the details, we need to sign our FA first with our available space, then trade our players for AD.
So what this means is, say Kawhi wants to think about his options and won't decide until 7/7. Guess what, we're officially eliminated from him because we need to sign him on 7/6.
Same thing with DLo. If KD/Kyrie decide to take time and decide after 7/6, then the Nets have no reason to renounce DLo by 7/6 which again means we can't get him.
So the next few days will be huge and if the big guys decide to wait we may be forced to sign a bunch of role players in order to use up the cap because quite bluntly our cap space expires on 7/6, putting us at a major disadvantage.
Even the role players may say they want to wait till the big fish settle. So while a Beverly may be cool with a 4/48 from us, they may want to wait and force us to offer something like $16m per just to get a commitment by 7/6.
So great news today but the next few days will be the most critical to get firm commitments by 7/6. |
I haven't heard about the Lakers needing to sign a free agent first, but assuming it's true it's not a big deal. If Kawhi or anyone else is on the clock and doesn't make a decision, it merely means they decided not to sign with us.
In reality, top stars tend to announce their decision before they can even officially signed. There is no reason Kawhi needs to take an extra day.
As someone else said, this thread seems like manufactured drama. |
Yes because the AD trade that was agreed upon is based on a 7/6 date. So if we don't sign anyone then AD will actually use up most of our cap. The way it's set up is first we use our cap to sign someone then we'll have no cap space and we'll be operating as an over the cap team meaning we can go over the cap to trade for AD as long as salaries are close.
So in order to maximize this we have to sign SOMEONE on 7/6 then complete the trade. Like I said if no one commits early then most of our capspace is gone to cover the shortage of lonzo/Ingram/Hart salary vs AD salary |
OK, well like I said that doesn't matter. The agents and players know the situation, and they know if they wait an extra day they can't sign with the Lakers. So if they choose to wait, it means they simply chose to play somewhere else, which they would have done anyway.
And like I said, the top free agents tend to meet with teams as soon as they can, and they make their decision before the signing period. I can't see why Kawhi or anyone else can't or won't make their decision by July 6. |
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| I fully expect Woj to say something like this tomorrow on The Jump, or Get Up, or on some random street corner in Connecticut. |
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| manlisten wrote: | | When everything's going well, let's manufacture some fake panic to make things interesting. It's the LG way. |
This. 1000x |
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| Posted: Thu Jun 27, 2019 7:37 pm Post subject: Re: The July 6 date is actually a hard stop for us and can screw us over |
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| activeverb wrote: | | crucifixion wrote: | | activeverb wrote: | | crucifixion wrote: | After the great news today of clearing space, I got to thinking about our situation and realized we can still be screwed over.
The AD trade has to be done on July 6. We all know the details, we need to sign our FA first with our available space, then trade our players for AD.
So what this means is, say Kawhi wants to think about his options and won't decide until 7/7. Guess what, we're officially eliminated from him because we need to sign him on 7/6.
Same thing with DLo. If KD/Kyrie decide to take time and decide after 7/6, then the Nets have no reason to renounce DLo by 7/6 which again means we can't get him.
So the next few days will be huge and if the big guys decide to wait we may be forced to sign a bunch of role players in order to use up the cap because quite bluntly our cap space expires on 7/6, putting us at a major disadvantage.
Even the role players may say they want to wait till the big fish settle. So while a Beverly may be cool with a 4/48 from us, they may want to wait and force us to offer something like $16m per just to get a commitment by 7/6.
So great news today but the next few days will be the most critical to get firm commitments by 7/6. |
I haven't heard about the Lakers needing to sign a free agent first, but assuming it's true it's not a big deal. If Kawhi or anyone else is on the clock and doesn't make a decision, it merely means they decided not to sign with us.
In reality, top stars tend to announce their decision before they can even officially signed. There is no reason Kawhi needs to take an extra day.
As someone else said, this thread seems like manufactured drama. |
Yes because the AD trade that was agreed upon is based on a 7/6 date. So if we don't sign anyone then AD will actually use up most of our cap. The way it's set up is first we use our cap to sign someone then we'll have no cap space and we'll be operating as an over the cap team meaning we can go over the cap to trade for AD as long as salaries are close.
So in order to maximize this we have to sign SOMEONE on 7/6 then complete the trade. Like I said if no one commits early then most of our capspace is gone to cover the shortage of lonzo/Ingram/Hart salary vs AD salary |
OK, well like I said that doesn't matter. The agents and players know the situation, and they know if they wait an extra day they can't sign with the Lakers. So if they choose to wait, it means they simply chose to play somewhere else, which they would have done anyway.
And like I said, the top free agents tend to meet with teams as soon as they can, and they make their decision before the signing period. I can't see why Kawhi or anyone else can't or won't make their decision by July 6. |
Only because this is his first FA opportunity. I mean LeBron did the decision on July 8. So if Kawhi does the same and really take the time to analyze his options and what's best for him, he may take extra time.
I'm actually more worried about the down stream effect if KD is waiting then Nets won't be in a rush to renounce DLo which means we'll end up overpaying Danny green or Patrick Beverly and or cousins. |
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| Posted: Thu Jun 27, 2019 7:38 pm Post subject: Re: The July 6 date is actually a hard stop for us and can screw us over |
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| crucifixion wrote: | After the great news today of clearing space, I got to thinking about our situation and realized we can still be screwed over.
The AD trade has to be done on July 6. We all know the details, we need to sign our FA first with our available space, then trade our players for AD.
So what this means is, say Kawhi wants to think about his options and won't decide until 7/7. Guess what, we're officially eliminated from him because we need to sign him on 7/6.
Same thing with DLo. If KD/Kyrie decide to take time and decide after 7/6, then the Nets have no reason to renounce DLo by 7/6 which again means we can't get him.
So the next few days will be huge and if the big guys decide to wait we may be forced to sign a bunch of role players in order to use up the cap because quite bluntly our cap space expires on 7/6, putting us at a major disadvantage.
Even the role players may say they want to wait till the big fish settle. So while a Beverly may be cool with a 4/48 from us, they may want to wait and force us to offer something like $16m per just to get a commitment by 7/6.
So great news today but the next few days will be the most critical to get firm commitments by 7/6. |
Free agency starts 6/30 so anyone interested in signing with us would be notified or their agent would already be aware of the "deadline" you are referring to. I think you're worrying to much. Also hard to imagine the top free agents not signing a week in.... Anyways no one really signs until the big dominoes fall because teams that get left out overpay for the second and third tier. Imagine free agency starts and there are no signings of note. Never happens. |
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| Posted: Thu Jun 27, 2019 7:39 pm Post subject: |
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We say July 6 now... very possible that it could end up being July 7 or 8... point is that the teams weren’t going to wait until the end of the month. They may be willing to wait another day or two, depending on what’s happening.
Either way, it doesn’t matter. Lakers will figure out how to spend the money within a week. |
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| Posted: Thu Jun 27, 2019 7:44 pm Post subject: |
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| manlisten wrote: | | When everything's going well, let's manufacture some fake panic to make things interesting. It's the LG way. |
This
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| LakerLand247 wrote: | | manlisten wrote: | | When everything's going well, let's manufacture some fake panic to make things interesting. It's the LG way. |
This. 1000x |
It’s a legit concern.
Just not a reason to panic. |
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| Deals are being done as we speak. Players and agents are not waiting the clock to strike. They are doing it now. This isn’t Mitch playing by the book. THis is how business has been done for a while. We just finally caught up |
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| ringfinger wrote: | | LakerLand247 wrote: | | manlisten wrote: | | When everything's going well, let's manufacture some fake panic to make things interesting. It's the LG way. |
This. 1000x |
It’s a legit concern.
Just not a reason to panic. |
Exactly. Just pointing out a real concern. Unfortunately there are those that are either ignorant or nieve of the situation and just want to think we have no issues |
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| Posted: Thu Jun 27, 2019 7:55 pm Post subject: |
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| crucifixion wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | LakerLand247 wrote: | | manlisten wrote: | | When everything's going well, let's manufacture some fake panic to make things interesting. It's the LG way. |
This. 1000x |
It’s a legit concern.
Just not a reason to panic. |
Exactly. Just pointing out a real concern. Unfortunately there are those that are either ignorant or nieve of the situation and just want to think we have no issues |
Sorry man it’s not a concern.
Kawhi decision will likely be 7/3 or 7/4
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| crucifixion wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | LakerLand247 wrote: | | manlisten wrote: | | When everything's going well, let's manufacture some fake panic to make things interesting. It's the LG way. |
This. 1000x |
It’s a legit concern.
Just not a reason to panic. |
Exactly. Just pointing out a real concern. Unfortunately there are those that are either ignorant or nieve of the situation and just want to think we have no issues |
True there are issues. But who doesn’t. Raptors can lose KL. Clips can strike out. Knicks getting no one. Nets hoping for kd and Kyrie. Rockets imploding. Warriors are screwed next year etc etc. I think we have quality issues. |
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| Posted: Thu Jun 27, 2019 7:57 pm Post subject: Re: The July 6 date is actually a hard stop for us and can screw us over |
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| crucifixion wrote: |
Only because this is his first FA opportunity. I mean LeBron did the decision on July 8. So if Kawhi does the same and really take the time to analyze his options and what's best for him, he may take extra time. . |
Lebron didn't take his time to make a decision. He took his time to make a dramatic announcement. If there were a need for him to announce his decision earlier, he would have.
If Kawhi waits until after July 6, it simply means he has no intention of signing here and we'll sign someone else.
This is a non-issue.
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Corey Joseph is making his decision on 7/3 at 2:43 PM EST. Just a heads-up for the good folks at LG.com.
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| Posted: Thu Jun 27, 2019 8:11 pm Post subject: Re: The July 6 date is actually a hard stop for us and can screw us over |
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| activeverb wrote: | | crucifixion wrote: |
Only because this is his first FA opportunity. I mean LeBron did the decision on July 8. So if Kawhi does the same and really take the time to analyze his options and what's best for him, he may take extra time. . |
Lebron didn't take his time to make a decision. He took his time to make a dramatic announcement. If there were a need for him to announce his decision earlier, he would have.
If Durant waits until after July 6, it simply means has no intention of signing here and well sign someone else.
This is a non-issue. |
Disagree. We literally need to make the AD trade on 7/6. There is no bandwidth to delay for some tv special. Literally the rules of the trade are 7/6 because of Summer league |
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| Posted: Thu Jun 27, 2019 8:25 pm Post subject: |
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| 7/6 is almost as scary as Y2k. |
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| crucifixion wrote: |
Disagree. We literally need to make the AD trade on 7/6. There is no bandwidth to delay for some tv special. Literally the rules of the trade are 7/6 because of Summer league |
Yup, life has deadlines. Don't let that fact give you ulcers. The Lakers will sign a free agent by July 6th, be it Kawhi or someone else, and then trade for AD. |
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| Posted: Thu Jun 27, 2019 8:51 pm Post subject: Re: The July 6 date is actually a hard stop for us and can screw us over |
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| crucifixion wrote: | | activeverb wrote: | | crucifixion wrote: |
Only because this is his first FA opportunity. I mean LeBron did the decision on July 8. So if Kawhi does the same and really take the time to analyze his options and what's best for him, he may take extra time. . |
Lebron didn't take his time to make a decision. He took his time to make a dramatic announcement. If there were a need for him to announce his decision earlier, he would have.
If Durant waits until after July 6, it simply means has no intention of signing here and well sign someone else.
This is a non-issue. |
Disagree. We literally need to make the AD trade on 7/6. There is no bandwidth to delay for some tv special. Literally the rules of the trade are 7/6 because of Summer league |
I dont think there is a concern of that. Yes you are right, we have to do the signing 7/6 but there is a good chance we will get the verbal commitments in those 6 days and then make them a formality on 7/6 |
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| Posted: Thu Jun 27, 2019 11:27 pm Post subject: Re: The July 6 date is actually a hard stop for us and can screw us over |
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| ringfinger wrote: |
I dont think there is a concern of that. Yes you are right, we have to do the signing 7/6 but there is a good chance we will get the verbal commitments in those 6 days and then make them a formality on 7/6 |
The OP's concern seems to be based on the assumption/fear that the Lakers are going to be paralyzed and passively wait for Kawhi to make his choice, no matter how long it takes, and that Kawhi is going to milk this to create drama.
More likely, Kawhi will make his choice quickly. No one wants to be the next Lebron-type "The Decision." Stars tend to meet with a short list of teams quickly, and then make their choice immediately after the last meeting. I suspect Kawhi will choose before the July 4th holiday. |
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| AD didn't wave 4 million for maybe. They know who's coming. |
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| Kb24goldenChild wrote: | Long post from reddit.
Discaimer: I am a semi-active user here using a throwaway. I'm not here to convince anybody that I'm some insider, I know some of us feel like they've been bamboozled by people who claim to be one lately. However I do have some connections with people close to ownership and I will share what I've hard. I personally don't think there's anything juicy about what I've heard, it just generally puts the whole situation together. I understand people might not believe this, so take it any you want to, but I suggest you read all of it.
This information is from having close relationships with people that are inside the trust circle of one of the minority owners of the Lakers. The owner lives in Las Vegas and is completely separated from the basketball decisions of the franchise, but has been regularly informed as of late, especially since the AD trade went down. The entire ownership group's had a lot of conference calls together, including guys like Patrick-Soon Shiong and representatives from AEG. Most of what goes on is the Buss family trust (Mostly just Jeanie) updating the others on basketball matters, and then they spend the rest talking about other matters. The prevailing opinion among these circles seems to be that Kawhi will most likely end up with the Lakers, but that's not 100%. Initially, after meetings with Magic and Jeanie, the ownership believed it was a done deal. The reason was because many details of the "framework" had been agreed upon, such as Kawhi playing less than 70 games (for load management) and his agreement with New Balance. Other things included his personal medical staff and roster construction. There were so many details that were discussed that it was impossible not to look at it that Kawhi had made up his mind, and he was only ironing out the details. No other team had any meetings that day, so naturally the Lakers higher-ups took it that Kawhi was committed to signing on Day 2 or 3. Other things that boosted their confidence is Kawhi buying the long-term vision that the FO had. Magic also did well by quelling any doubts about serious dysfunction, saying it was only personal between him and Rob but he still wants the franchise to succeed (reports already said this obviously) On top of that, in the meeting Kawhi's team expressed serious concerns about the Clippers, which made the Lakers think they were 100% out of the running. But over the past 36 hours some of that confidence has dwindled. The Lakers did not expect Kawhi to fly back to Toronto or take a meeting with the Clippers. Kawhi's team highly respects the Raptors organization, so the Lakers assumed he would give them a meeting and inform them personally, but they assumed the Raptors group would fly to LA. Kawhi's been mum about this at the official meeting with the Lakers yesterday, which is why nobody can guarantee Kawhi will be joining anymore. The good news? Much like the first meeting, the second where Kawhi spoke with Lebron and Rob also went very well, according to primary ownership. The Lakers are still confident that they have the best pitch available and that the Clippers aren't a viable option. At the same time, they will acknowledge it's a possibility Kawhi returns to Toronto. The timing has thrown everybody off, including the Clippers and Raptors. As of now, Kawhi's reps have told all three teams that they will inform them by phone and officially agree to a deal once they've thought through their decision. Some were hopeful it was going to be done tonight, but there's a good chance Kawhi makes his decision by tomorrow noon. If not, then nobody has any idea anymore and Kawhi might wait past July 6th which is seriously concerning to the Lakers. |
Whether any of that is true or not, the last sentence is the most important. We lose all our capspace if we have to wait past July 6
When July 6 comes there may not be any player available to use our 32m on and it will be gone when the AD trade is done |
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