in college? definitely Monk
in NBA? not sure, but i think AC already reached his ceiling. Monk can go a little higher due to offense and athletic ability
Malik Monk is more talented, but his career is on Isaiah Rider trajectory. He has an opportunity to turn it around. No one wants to see him sitting opposite the late John Thompson crying on national tv
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Posted: Tue Aug 03, 2021 12:21 pm Post subject:
Most kids who turn to the NBA at age 18-19 take three years minimum to start figuring themselves out. I like Malik's talent a lot more. Not to mention that he's 4 years younger than Caruso.
Malik has a lot more upside while Caruso at age 27 is at his peak. _________________ "He may say it's not you, it's him.... but it's really you."
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odd question... two very different player tracks and they are in two different age groups...
Caruso is a 3 and D combo guard player
Malik Monk is a score first guard
obviously Malik Monk has more time to grow into something more but Caruso has already developed into a player that Lakers and most contenders should value more _________________ (bleep) Kawhi
Being from Arkansas, I'm a big Monk fan. But the guy who can actually stick on the floor in the playoffs.
I wanted Monk and glad we were able to get him. _________________ "He's a Zen master, so he can speak to you, and he doesn't need a microphone; you can hear him in your head, 'Ron, don't shoot, don't shoot.' Whatever, pow, three. I love the Zen, though."
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Posted: Tue Aug 03, 2021 12:57 pm Post subject:
Honestly, I was never impressed by AC. I think he got as much as he could out of his limited talent and I guess that he deserves some credit for that, but I was always kind of disappointed that we relied so heavily on him. _________________ You are under no obligation to remain the same person you were a year ago, a month ago, or even a day ago. You are here to create yourself, continuously. - Richard Feynman
Monk has a higher ceiling. _________________ On Lakersground, a concern troll is someone who is a fan of another team, but pretends to be a Lakers fan with "concerns".
A better comparison would be Nunn v. Caruso. They're both around 26 and went undrafted. Monk is only 22 years old and a former lottery pick. _________________ Under New Management
A better comparison would be Nunn v. Caruso. They're both around 26 and went undrafted. Monk is only 22 years old and a former lottery pick.
Caruso didn’t come to the league until he was like 23, and he didn’t start making a difference until we got AD and he started to experience winning, I don’t think my comparison is off.
Posted: Tue Aug 03, 2021 1:57 pm Post subject: Re: Who’s a better prospect Malik Monk or Alex Caruso
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Who has more potential?
Ok, so AC, as others mentioned, is at his peak. Malik, otoh, is just getting started. He's had a hiccup (drugs) in his career which, at least in part, explains his availability at such a low price despite being a lottery pick just four season ago. The guy's got some serious talent. Take a look at his draft profile coming out of college:
NBA Comparison: Louis Williams/Eric Gordon
Strengths: Explosive guard who is one of the more adept scorers in his class … Has great touch on his shot and has been deadly from long-range off the bounce and catch … Great elevation while shooting, has ability to shoot off of screens while also being able to freeze the defense off a hesitation dribble … Jumps really well off of both feet, though also a strong single foot jumper as well … Dangerous in transition and the open floor, can score above the rim and is tough to stop if given space … Has shot an highly efficient mark from short, mid and long-range jump shooting, currently making 3.1 3PT shots per game at 40% (61-153) … Adept at the two, three dribble pull-up, has tools to create some of his own offense … Has solid lateral quickness and good feet, gets most of his steals playing the passing lanes and can cover ground … Even as a high volume scorer, plays within himself and has been a willing passer … Plays bigger than his size, despite being undersized his athleticism does some things to make up for it … Likely close to 200 lbs, is strong and has a chance to build body over time … Really nice arc on his shot, most of his misses are pretty close and lead to better possibility of offensive rebound opportunities … Conditioning is very good, shows solid energy throughout games … Near 50% FG, 40% 3PT and shooting 83% FT, strong shooting indicators along with the speed and athleticism that lead to his immediate boost on the offensive end … On a very talented team, has efficiently and comfortably taken on a major scoring role, talent seems to shine through even among the best … Has to be taken into account past three-point line, will stretch the floor and should be incredibly confident shooting from NBA 3PT range … While he has done his best job defensively off the ball, has tools to be a much better on-ball defender … Gets low in stance and when he is focused he shows some defensive intensity … He does play with two point guards, which could lead to questions of whether he could improve his assist rate if given a bit more of time on the ball offensively … Looks to be a hard worker, strong communicator and solid teammate"
Alex is what he is at this point. An elite defender who is a fairly mediocre player on the offensive end. An amazing role player who I would have loved to have kept, but not a world Ender to lose.
Monk has way more room to grow. He’s a better shooter and has potential to be a decent combo guard play maker. He’s not the defender AC is and likely never will be. Big difference is that Monk cost us the minimum and AC would have cost us much more with Lux Tax taken in, and honestly the minutes might not have been there for AC with our signings, if everything works out.
AC has the "dog" factor to him that I am going to miss, but I will say I hope he does not get put into a position where he is the "counted on" guy because I saw some things because of injury to other players that I did not like this past season.......effort was def there......shooting fell off....made some mental mistakes
Monk has the potential to become a better defender. Caruso’s defense is what elevated him from GLeague talent to NBA talent. Scoring has improved also over the years.
But Monk is ahead as far as ability to create for himself and score in bunches.
Fg% and 3Pt% are dead locked from last year, but Monks more efficient scoring wise and a way better FT shooter than AC, plus Monk’s 4 years younger.
Monk has the potential to become a better defender. Caruso’s defense is what elevated him from GLeague talent to NBA talent..
We act like defense is all about athletic ability. Alex was an elite defender because of basketball IQ. His ability to read the game and start on his rotations early is similar to a PG that sees the pass before the player is open. We also can’t underrate motor/hustle as a skill.
Unless Monk turns into an elite scorer, he will never bring the same value as AC.
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