I'm starting to see parallels between the Kobe 2.0 teams from 2008-2010. Seriously.
A ball-dominant superstar with terrific play-making ability but fighting the rep that no one wants to play with him? Then Kobe, now LeBron.
A multi-skilled big-man with a strong face-up game who put up great numbers on a lower-end playoff team but could not lead that team anywhere? Then Pau, now AD.
A 3 & D specialist with championship experience on the north end of 30, one who's expected to be leader but will never be more than a complementary player? Then Fish, now Green.
A massive, potentially dominating center with surprising shooting ability but a troubling history of leg injuries and maturity issues? Then Bynum, now Cousins.
A multi-skilled , mobile forward coming off the bench that's beloved by fans with coaches wondering if he'll ever take "the next step' to becoming a dominant player? Then Odom, now Kuz.
Just sayin'...
Then Artest....now Iguodala? One can hope.
it’s more likely gonna be.. Then Artest... now Thabo Sefolosha
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Posted: Sat Jul 27, 2019 7:48 pm Post subject:
secund2nun wrote:
venturalakersfan wrote:
MIMLaker wrote:
I'm starting to see parallels between the Kobe 2.0 teams from 2008-2010. Seriously.
A ball-dominant superstar with terrific play-making ability but fighting the rep that no one wants to play with him? Then Kobe, now LeBron.
A multi-skilled big-man with a strong face-up game who put up great numbers on a lower-end playoff team but could not lead that team anywhere? Then Pau, now AD.
A 3 & D specialist with championship experience on the north end of 30, one who's expected to be leader but will never be more than a complementary player? Then Fish, now Green.
A massive, potentially dominating center with surprising shooting ability but a troubling history of leg injuries and maturity issues? Then Bynum, now Cousins.
A multi-skilled , mobile forward coming off the bench that's beloved by fans with coaches wondering if he'll ever take "the next step' to becoming a dominant player? Then Odom, now Kuz.
Just sayin'...
Only Kobe was in his prime then, Lebron is past his. He will need to battle injury.
Lebron is still in his prime and still the best player in the NBA. He is not at his peak anymore, but he is still in his prime. Though to be honest when this Lebron is going all out I don't see any drop off from his peak self. The difference is that older Lebron has to save his energy and pick and chose when to dominate which he mainly saves for the playoffs these days while the younger Lebron could do it throughout all of the regular season plus the playoffs. Just last year Lebron nearly put up a 50 point triple double on the Warriors in the NBA finals (and the Cavs were robbed of that game).
Like Kobe around the same age, they stop playing defense and then the injuries begin piling up. He is nowhere close to the best player in the game but I would say top 7 or 8. Similar to Kobe at 35. _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023.
Exciting part about getting Danny Green is that he played for the Spurs and I don’t think we have had many players who played here have a history with the Spurs (due to hatred between the 2 teams). so the Lakers getting a player who comes from the Popovich coaching tree gives us a winning swagger and a new look
I'm starting to see parallels between the Kobe 2.0 teams from 2008-2010. Seriously.
A ball-dominant superstar with terrific play-making ability but fighting the rep that no one wants to play with him? Then Kobe, now LeBron.
A multi-skilled big-man with a strong face-up game who put up great numbers on a lower-end playoff team but could not lead that team anywhere? Then Pau, now AD.
A 3 & D specialist with championship experience on the north end of 30, one who's expected to be leader but will never be more than a complementary player? Then Fish, now Green.
A massive, potentially dominating center with surprising shooting ability but a troubling history of leg injuries and maturity issues? Then Bynum, now Cousins.
A multi-skilled , mobile forward coming off the bench that's beloved by fans with coaches wondering if he'll ever take "the next step' to becoming a dominant player? Then Odom, now Kuz.
Just sayin'...
Only Kobe was in his prime then, Lebron is past his. He will need to battle injury.
Lebron is still in his prime and still the best player in the NBA. He is not at his peak anymore, but he is still in his prime. Though to be honest when this Lebron is going all out I don't see any drop off from his peak self. The difference is that older Lebron has to save his energy and pick and chose when to dominate which he mainly saves for the playoffs these days while the younger Lebron could do it throughout all of the regular season plus the playoffs. Just last year Lebron nearly put up a 50 point triple double on the Warriors in the NBA finals (and the Cavs were robbed of that game).
Like Kobe around the same age, they stop playing defense and then the injuries begin piling up. He is nowhere close to the best player in the game but I would say top 7 or 8. Similar to Kobe at 35.
Kobe at 35 was pretty phenomenal that year. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals
I'm starting to see parallels between the Kobe 2.0 teams from 2008-2010. Seriously.
A ball-dominant superstar with terrific play-making ability but fighting the rep that no one wants to play with him? Then Kobe, now LeBron.
A multi-skilled big-man with a strong face-up game who put up great numbers on a lower-end playoff team but could not lead that team anywhere? Then Pau, now AD.
A 3 & D specialist with championship experience on the north end of 30, one who's expected to be leader but will never be more than a complementary player? Then Fish, now Green.
A massive, potentially dominating center with surprising shooting ability but a troubling history of leg injuries and maturity issues? Then Bynum, now Cousins.
A multi-skilled , mobile forward coming off the bench that's beloved by fans with coaches wondering if he'll ever take "the next step' to becoming a dominant player? Then Odom, now Kuz.
Just sayin'...
Only Kobe was in his prime then, Lebron is past his. He will need to battle injury.
Lebron is still in his prime and still the best player in the NBA. He is not at his peak anymore, but he is still in his prime. Though to be honest when this Lebron is going all out I don't see any drop off from his peak self. The difference is that older Lebron has to save his energy and pick and chose when to dominate which he mainly saves for the playoffs these days while the younger Lebron could do it throughout all of the regular season plus the playoffs. Just last year Lebron nearly put up a 50 point triple double on the Warriors in the NBA finals (and the Cavs were robbed of that game).
Like Kobe around the same age, they stop playing defense and then the injuries begin piling up. He is nowhere close to the best player in the game but I would say top 7 or 8. Similar to Kobe at 35.
Kobe at 35 was pretty phenomenal that year.
Both of you are thinking of Kobe @ 34. At 35 he had already tore his Achilles
Thats why I want to load manage lbj. At 34 Kobe lead the NBA at mpg
I'm starting to see parallels between the Kobe 2.0 teams from 2008-2010. Seriously.
A ball-dominant superstar with terrific play-making ability but fighting the rep that no one wants to play with him? Then Kobe, now LeBron.
A multi-skilled big-man with a strong face-up game who put up great numbers on a lower-end playoff team but could not lead that team anywhere? Then Pau, now AD.
A 3 & D specialist with championship experience on the north end of 30, one who's expected to be leader but will never be more than a complementary player? Then Fish, now Green.
A massive, potentially dominating center with surprising shooting ability but a troubling history of leg injuries and maturity issues? Then Bynum, now Cousins.
A multi-skilled , mobile forward coming off the bench that's beloved by fans with coaches wondering if he'll ever take "the next step' to becoming a dominant player? Then Odom, now Kuz.
Just sayin'...
Only Kobe was in his prime then, Lebron is past his. He will need to battle injury.
Lebron is still in his prime and still the best player in the NBA. He is not at his peak anymore, but he is still in his prime. Though to be honest when this Lebron is going all out I don't see any drop off from his peak self. The difference is that older Lebron has to save his energy and pick and chose when to dominate which he mainly saves for the playoffs these days while the younger Lebron could do it throughout all of the regular season plus the playoffs. Just last year Lebron nearly put up a 50 point triple double on the Warriors in the NBA finals (and the Cavs were robbed of that game).
Like Kobe around the same age, they stop playing defense and then the injuries begin piling up. He is nowhere close to the best player in the game but I would say top 7 or 8. Similar to Kobe at 35.
Kobe at 35 was pretty phenomenal that year.
Both of you are thinking of Kobe @ 34. At 35 he had already tore his Achilles
Thats why I want to load manage lbj. At 34 Kobe lead the NBA at mpg
You're right. Kobe's BDAY is in August.
Yeah, 34 year old Kobe was a monster but overworked. Imagine if he had a prime AD alongside him. Dwight was a shell of himself that year (and was very Dwight jerkish), and Pau was not the all star Pau we knew that year too. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals
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Posted: Mon Jul 29, 2019 11:05 am Post subject:
MIMLaker wrote:
I'm starting to see parallels between the Kobe 2.0 teams from 2008-2010. Seriously.
A ball-dominant superstar with terrific play-making ability but fighting the rep that no one wants to play with him? Then Kobe, now LeBron.
A multi-skilled big-man with a strong face-up game who put up great numbers on a lower-end playoff team but could not lead that team anywhere? Then Pau, now AD.
A 3 & D specialist with championship experience on the north end of 30, one who's expected to be leader but will never be more than a complementary player? Then Fish, now Green.
A massive, potentially dominating center with surprising shooting ability but a troubling history of leg injuries and maturity issues? Then Bynum, now Cousins.
A multi-skilled , mobile forward coming off the bench that's beloved by fans with coaches wondering if he'll ever take "the next step' to becoming a dominant player? Then Odom, now Kuz.
Just sayin'...
Since when was Fisher known for his defense?
And Davis is much better than Pau ever was. _________________ Damian Lillard shatters Dwight Coward's championship dreams:
I'm starting to see parallels between the Kobe 2.0 teams from 2008-2010. Seriously.
A ball-dominant superstar with terrific play-making ability but fighting the rep that no one wants to play with him? Then Kobe, now LeBron.
A multi-skilled big-man with a strong face-up game who put up great numbers on a lower-end playoff team but could not lead that team anywhere? Then Pau, now AD.
A 3 & D specialist with championship experience on the north end of 30, one who's expected to be leader but will never be more than a complementary player? Then Fish, now Green.
A massive, potentially dominating center with surprising shooting ability but a troubling history of leg injuries and maturity issues? Then Bynum, now Cousins.
A multi-skilled , mobile forward coming off the bench that's beloved by fans with coaches wondering if he'll ever take "the next step' to becoming a dominant player? Then Odom, now Kuz.
Just sayin'...
Since when was Fisher known for his defense?
And Davis is much better than Pau ever was.
Fisher was known for defense _________________ Coach Vogel, Kidd, Hollins
Max slot : Kawhi
I'm starting to see parallels between the Kobe 2.0 teams from 2008-2010. Seriously.
A ball-dominant superstar with terrific play-making ability but fighting the rep that no one wants to play with him? Then Kobe, now LeBron.
A multi-skilled big-man with a strong face-up game who put up great numbers on a lower-end playoff team but could not lead that team anywhere? Then Pau, now AD.
A 3 & D specialist with championship experience on the north end of 30, one who's expected to be leader but will never be more than a complementary player? Then Fish, now Green.
A massive, potentially dominating center with surprising shooting ability but a troubling history of leg injuries and maturity issues? Then Bynum, now Cousins.
A multi-skilled , mobile forward coming off the bench that's beloved by fans with coaches wondering if he'll ever take "the next step' to becoming a dominant player? Then Odom, now Kuz.
Just sayin'...
Since when was Fisher known for his defense?
And Davis is much better than Pau ever was.
Fisher was known for defense
Fisher was a good defender in his prime but the version of Fish that played with 34 year old Kobe was pretty bad.
Fisher was an agitator but guys routinely beat him off the dribble once he was older. But he had a rep for being a tough nosed defender. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals
I'm starting to see parallels between the Kobe 2.0 teams from 2008-2010. Seriously.
A ball-dominant superstar with terrific play-making ability but fighting the rep that no one wants to play with him? Then Kobe, now LeBron.
A multi-skilled big-man with a strong face-up game who put up great numbers on a lower-end playoff team but could not lead that team anywhere? Then Pau, now AD.
A 3 & D specialist with championship experience on the north end of 30, one who's expected to be leader but will never be more than a complementary player? Then Fish, now Green.
A massive, potentially dominating center with surprising shooting ability but a troubling history of leg injuries and maturity issues? Then Bynum, now Cousins.
A multi-skilled , mobile forward coming off the bench that's beloved by fans with coaches wondering if he'll ever take "the next step' to becoming a dominant player? Then Odom, now Kuz.
Just sayin'...
Since when was Fisher known for his defense?
And Davis is much better than Pau ever was.
Fisher was known for defense
Fisher was a good defender in his prime but the version of Fish that played with 34 year old Kobe was pretty bad.
If Avery Bradley can be as good as Fisher was we will be good.
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Posted: Mon Jul 29, 2019 2:16 pm Post subject:
If Bradley only gets to Fisher level defense it's def. a pretty huge letdown for me personally at least. Fisher had a very high iq which made him an ok defender at times but he was never remotely close to making an all defensive team, especially later in his career where he was legit awful.
Bradley has the high iq as well as a significant athletic upgrade.. As long as he stays healthy and in shape I see no way he wont be far and away the best defensive pg we have.
Fisher's defense was so below average we used to have crushes over completely average players like Marcus Banks to save us.
Yes he was very strong and had a knack for drawing charges but there was little he could do to keep a guard from blowing right by him. And then he would always abandon his man to double team a player in the post who often would not even be post threat. _________________ (bleep) Kawhi
If Bradley only gets to Fisher level defense it's def. a pretty huge letdown for me personally at least. Fisher had a very high iq which made him an ok defender at times but he was never remotely close to making an all defensive team, especially later in his career where he was legit awful.
Bradley has the high iq as well as a significant athletic upgrade.. As long as he stays healthy and in shape I see no way he wont be far and away the best defensive pg we have.
Wait Who is comparing Bradley’s defense to Fishers? Avery Bradley was playing like a 1st team all defense team just a couple of seasons ago when he was healthy.. that’s some big time disrespect to Bradley especially now that he is 100% healthy.
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Posted: Wed Jul 31, 2019 2:06 pm Post subject:
pio2u wrote:
Danny Green's defensive acumen and effort will be contagious.
Hopefully, Green, AD, and maybe Bradley can inspire others to trust each other and give more effort on D. _________________ "Chick lived and breathed Lakers basketball…but he was also fair and objective and called every game the way it was played."
-from Chick: His Unpublished Memoirs and the Memories of Those Who Knew Him
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Danny Green's defensive acumen and effort will be contagious.
Hopefully, Green, AD, and hopefully Bradley can inspire others to trust each other and give more effort on D.
The fact that Vogel prioritizes defense should go a long way into him helping us becoming a good defensive team. let’s not be fooled by Luke he was never any good at defense .. even though the players were practicing D under him.
lol at fisher D being overrated here. Every PG had career games against him. He made troy hudson look like a HOFer
Yeah, I'm not sure what they were remembering. From around 2002 and on Fisher was the guy who was handing out huge contracts to opposing PG's. He was a constant whipping boy here for that exact thing. _________________ KOBE
I'm starting to see parallels between the Kobe 2.0 teams from 2008-2010. Seriously.
A ball-dominant superstar with terrific play-making ability but fighting the rep that no one wants to play with him? Then Kobe, now LeBron.
A multi-skilled big-man with a strong face-up game who put up great numbers on a lower-end playoff team but could not lead that team anywhere? Then Pau, now AD.
A 3 & D specialist with championship experience on the north end of 30, one who's expected to be leader but will never be more than a complementary player? Then Fish, now Green.
A massive, potentially dominating center with surprising shooting ability but a troubling history of leg injuries and maturity issues? Then Bynum, now Cousins.
A multi-skilled , mobile forward coming off the bench that's beloved by fans with coaches wondering if he'll ever take "the next step' to becoming a dominant player? Then Odom, now Kuz.
Just sayin'...
Other than wearing the same jersey, most of the guys you are comparing aren't really very similar.
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Posted: Wed Jul 31, 2019 7:40 pm Post subject:
Inspector Gadget wrote:
hype wrote:
If Bradley only gets to Fisher level defense it's def. a pretty huge letdown for me personally at least. Fisher had a very high iq which made him an ok defender at times but he was never remotely close to making an all defensive team, especially later in his career where he was legit awful.
Bradley has the high iq as well as a significant athletic upgrade.. As long as he stays healthy and in shape I see no way he wont be far and away the best defensive pg we have.
Wait Who is comparing Bradley’s defense to Fishers? Avery Bradley was playing like a 1st team all defense team just a couple of seasons ago when he was healthy.. that’s some big time disrespect to Bradley especially now that he is 100% healthy.
The post right above me, it was a chain where people were slowly overrating Fisher's defense until that last post in the chain the guy said we should be good if avery can reach fishers defense this upcoming season haha.. bradley last year in an off year and out of shape and injured was still a clear upgrade over fisher. I was just trying not to absolutely bash that poster since there's already enough negativity on here but I 100% agree with you.. They really should never be in the same sentence when talking about defense.
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Posted: Wed Jul 31, 2019 7:55 pm Post subject:
yinoma2001 wrote:
Fisher was an agitator but guys routinely beat him off the dribble once he was older. But he had a rep for being a tough nosed defender.
He fought through screens well. On and off ball. Drew alot of fouls on screen setters. _________________ "Every hurt is a lesson, and every lesson makes you better”
Exciting part about getting Danny Green is that he played for the Spurs and I don’t think we have had many players who played here have a history with the Spurs (due to hatred between the 2 teams). so the Lakers getting a player who comes from the Popovich coaching tree gives us a winning swagger and a new look
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Was the single most contributing factor to teams pick-n-rolling us to death.
On the 3-peat Lakers, Ron Harper, Brian Shaw, Ty Lue & Lindsay Hunter were the defensive PGs. On the B2B Kobe/Pau teams, our bigs were much better at showing on the PnR, so Fish was less exposed, and older Fish was stronger and more able to push the PnR. _________________ On Lakersground, a concern troll is someone who is a fan of another team, but pretends to be a Lakers fan with "concerns".
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