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LakersDC
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| If Murray doesn't block DG's shot toward the end of regulation, he would no doubt complete the house of bricks he was building all game and we'd lose. We really lucked out on that one. |
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| everyone's saying about DG's "intangibles", what exactly has he brought to the team in the Bubble? for a guy labeled as a 3D type player, he can't shoot nor play defense. not only he can't make threes, he has missed layups, midrange jumpers, free throws regularly. on the defense, he's fouling way too much. the lakers are winning despite of him. |
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BigBallerBrand
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I just noticed lonzo shot a higher 3pt % than DG this year at high volume too lmao
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Gile
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| Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2020 6:59 am Post subject: Raptors knew |
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| What kind of player Green is. There is a reason why they did not offer him a contract |
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Jesusdelonla
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| waste of 15m |
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yinoma2001
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Remember. He agreed to wait for the KL saga. Meaning, he was turning down offers elsewhere. Unlike Moz/Deng, this FO only signed him to a limited 2 year deal. I wish he could be more consistent and productive but I approved of his signing.
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Gile
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | Remember. He agreed to wait for the KL saga. Meaning, he was turning down offers elsewhere. Unlike Moz/Deng, this FO only signed him to a limited 2 year deal. I wish he could be more consistent and productive but I approved of his signing. |
Question is: Do I still approve?
Watching the 2nd half of game 2 and game 3, I can see that Nuggets are trying to get Murray go one-on-one against Green on offense. Obviously they see Green as a weakest perimeter defender on Lakers roster.
KCP is playing well and he will probably opt out of his contract. Same with Bradley.
If we want to bring them back (we should), we will need to pay them more, probably in in DG range. Question is, can we afford it?
This FO is "great". Next year we are paying Waiters $12M, Green $15M. Money well spent |
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yinoma2001
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| Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2020 8:49 am Post subject: |
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| Gile wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Remember. He agreed to wait for the KL saga. Meaning, he was turning down offers elsewhere. Unlike Moz/Deng, this FO only signed him to a limited 2 year deal. I wish he could be more consistent and productive but I approved of his signing. |
Question is: Do I still approve?
Watching the 2nd half of game 2 and game 3, I can see that Nuggets are trying to get Murray go one-on-one against Green on offense. Obviously they see Green as a weakest perimeter defender on Lakers roster.
KCP is playing well and he will probably opt out of his contract. Same with Bradley.
If we want to bring them back (we should), we will need to pay them more, probably in in DG range. Question is, can we afford it?
This FO is "great". Next year we are paying Waiters $12M, Green $15M. Money well spent |
Um no. Waiters was bought out by the Grizz. They are paying his salary next year.
Green is an expiring deal and has a sterling reputation around the league. I think if the Lakers wanted to move him, they can.
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| Guy just looks pathetic out there. |
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Gile
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Yes, Green can be moved if we add a sweetener to the deal. All other teams are watching playoffs and they see how Green is playing. Last year with Raptors, his performance in Eeast finals and against GSW was brutal.
I don't see a contender (or any team) who will trade for Green. Or any other team. At this point he is a contract to match salary in a potential trade
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DG needs to focus on D and take less 3's. H can't hit with any consistency. Weak link last night.
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | Gile wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Remember. He agreed to wait for the KL saga. Meaning, he was turning down offers elsewhere. Unlike Moz/Deng, this FO only signed him to a limited 2 year deal. I wish he could be more consistent and productive but I approved of his signing. |
Question is: Do I still approve?
Watching the 2nd half of game 2 and game 3, I can see that Nuggets are trying to get Murray go one-on-one against Green on offense. Obviously they see Green as a weakest perimeter defender on Lakers roster.
KCP is playing well and he will probably opt out of his contract. Same with Bradley.
If we want to bring them back (we should), we will need to pay them more, probably in in DG range. Question is, can we afford it?
This FO is "great". Next year we are paying Waiters $12M, Green $15M. Money well spent |
Um no. Waiters was bought out by the Grizz. They are paying his salary next year.
Green is an expiring deal and has a sterling reputation around the league. I think if the Lakers wanted to move him, they can. |
he needs to be gone in the offseason |
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I really wanted him in LA and was one of those loudly saying, “Sign him for his defense and three-point shooting.” He hasn’t done as well as I thought he would and I don’t know why. Is it the Lakers system, the lack of one or something else? In SA and Toronto his game looked more fluid. Maybe he was set up better by better coaches.
I get nervous when he puts the ball on the floor or tries to shoot anywhere near the basket. He looks like a fish out of water. I think he’s better spotting up at the three point line and letting it fly once Davis or James get him the ball. |
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yinoma2001
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| Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2020 10:38 am Post subject: |
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| Gile wrote: | Yes, Green can be moved if we add a sweetener to the deal. All other teams are watching playoffs and they see how Green is playing. Last year with Raptors, his performance in Eeast finals and against GSW was brutal.
I don't see a contender (or any team) who will trade for Green. Or any other team. At this point he is a contract to match salary in a potential trade |
That's my point. He isn't some sort of team cancer (i.e. Waiters on his deal).
He's an expiring contract, and we have a 1st that was always going to be attached to any salary ballast trade if they go that direction.
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| Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2020 11:14 am Post subject: |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | Remember. He agreed to wait for the KL saga. Meaning, he was turning down offers elsewhere. Unlike Moz/Deng, this FO only signed him to a limited 2 year deal. I wish he could be more consistent and productive but I approved of his signing. |
Lakers should have targeted someone else and told them to wait...I know chances were slim of that happening. The reason it happened with DG is cuz no one else wanted him except Dallas. The writing was on the wall in the Toronto championship. He was a disaster in the finals. Yet they still gave him $30 million. The worst part is I don't think he's tradeable. Someone mentioned Olynick for DG...In a heart beat! |
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King Randle
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| Jesusdelonla wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Gile wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Remember. He agreed to wait for the KL saga. Meaning, he was turning down offers elsewhere. Unlike Moz/Deng, this FO only signed him to a limited 2 year deal. I wish he could be more consistent and productive but I approved of his signing. |
Question is: Do I still approve?
Watching the 2nd half of game 2 and game 3, I can see that Nuggets are trying to get Murray go one-on-one against Green on offense. Obviously they see Green as a weakest perimeter defender on Lakers roster.
KCP is playing well and he will probably opt out of his contract. Same with Bradley.
If we want to bring them back (we should), we will need to pay them more, probably in in DG range. Question is, can we afford it?
This FO is "great". Next year we are paying Waiters $12M, Green $15M. Money well spent |
Um no. Waiters was bought out by the Grizz. They are paying his salary next year.
Green is an expiring deal and has a sterling reputation around the league. I think if the Lakers wanted to move him, they can. |
he needs to be gone in the offseason |
Without a doubt...this is priority number two after signing AD. |
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| King Randle wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Remember. He agreed to wait for the KL saga. Meaning, he was turning down offers elsewhere. Unlike Moz/Deng, this FO only signed him to a limited 2 year deal. I wish he could be more consistent and productive but I approved of his signing. |
Lakers should have targeted someone else and told them to wait...I know chances were slim of that happening. The reason it happened with DG is cuz no one else wanted him except Dallas. The writing was on the wall in the Toronto championship. He was a disaster in the finals. Yet they still gave him $30 million. The worst part is I don't think he's tradeable. Someone mentioned Olynick for DG...In a heart beat! |
Why is he not tradeable? He's a great locker room guy, solid veteran with championship experience. He's on an expiring deal and the Lakers likely throw in a 1st with him. I think he's easily moveable. What made Deng/Moz so hard to move was a 4 year deal.
I don't think there were many good FAs left by the time Green signed. Lakers had to basically overpay him to stick around and not sign with the Mavs or other teams.
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | King Randle wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Remember. He agreed to wait for the KL saga. Meaning, he was turning down offers elsewhere. Unlike Moz/Deng, this FO only signed him to a limited 2 year deal. I wish he could be more consistent and productive but I approved of his signing. |
Lakers should have targeted someone else and told them to wait...I know chances were slim of that happening. The reason it happened with DG is cuz no one else wanted him except Dallas. The writing was on the wall in the Toronto championship. He was a disaster in the finals. Yet they still gave him $30 million. The worst part is I don't think he's tradeable. Someone mentioned Olynick for DG...In a heart beat! |
Why is he not tradeable? He's a great locker room guy, solid veteran with championship experience. He's on an expiring deal and the Lakers likely throw in a 1st with him. I think he's easily moveable. What made Deng/Moz so hard to move was a 4 year deal.
I don't think there were many good FAs left by the time Green signed. Lakers had to basically overpay him to stick around and not sign with the Mavs or other teams. |
You got any names for possible Green + 2020 1st (late)? Hield is disgruntled but what does Kings need a vet Green for but is DG/Kuz/1st/salary filler enough for a Hield? |
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There are probably a bunch. I personally don't see Green being traded but there are a lot of other players with matching salaries. Question is whether Lakers want to take on deals past 2021.
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| is this the same Denny Green we seen when he was with the Spurs? our version is a guy who can't shoot, can't defend, can't pass, and can't even make routine layups. very clumsy out there, every time he touches the ball something bad bonds to happen. |
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| Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2020 11:52 am Post subject: |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | King Randle wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Remember. He agreed to wait for the KL saga. Meaning, he was turning down offers elsewhere. Unlike Moz/Deng, this FO only signed him to a limited 2 year deal. I wish he could be more consistent and productive but I approved of his signing. |
Lakers should have targeted someone else and told them to wait...I know chances were slim of that happening. The reason it happened with DG is cuz no one else wanted him except Dallas. The writing was on the wall in the Toronto championship. He was a disaster in the finals. Yet they still gave him $30 million. The worst part is I don't think he's tradeable. Someone mentioned Olynick for DG...In a heart beat! |
Why is he not tradeable? He's a great locker room guy, solid veteran with championship experience. He's on an expiring deal and the Lakers likely throw in a 1st with him. I think he's easily moveable. What made Deng/Moz so hard to move was a 4 year deal.
I don't think there were many good FAs left by the time Green signed. Lakers had to basically overpay him to stick around and not sign with the Mavs or other teams. |
With the NBA hurting financially with the virus and China....I don't think teams will trade unless they have a real bad deal they want out of. And I don't think Rob wants to take back $ that takes up cap space. Just my opinion. I think he's a veteran...but solid? Not when you can't make 3's and defend. If I need a good locker guy I'll keep Dudley. |
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| governator wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | King Randle wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Remember. He agreed to wait for the KL saga. Meaning, he was turning down offers elsewhere. Unlike Moz/Deng, this FO only signed him to a limited 2 year deal. I wish he could be more consistent and productive but I approved of his signing. |
Lakers should have targeted someone else and told them to wait...I know chances were slim of that happening. The reason it happened with DG is cuz no one else wanted him except Dallas. The writing was on the wall in the Toronto championship. He was a disaster in the finals. Yet they still gave him $30 million. The worst part is I don't think he's tradeable. Someone mentioned Olynick for DG...In a heart beat! |
Why is he not tradeable? He's a great locker room guy, solid veteran with championship experience. He's on an expiring deal and the Lakers likely throw in a 1st with him. I think he's easily moveable. What made Deng/Moz so hard to move was a 4 year deal.
I don't think there were many good FAs left by the time Green signed. Lakers had to basically overpay him to stick around and not sign with the Mavs or other teams. |
You got any names for possible Green + 2020 1st (late)? Hield is disgruntled but what does Kings need a vet Green for but is DG/Kuz/1st/salary filler enough for a Hield? |
No not nearly enough. Kuzma is a okay piece for them but not the asset we thought we had a few months back.
Green/Kuz/1st gets us maybe:
1) Tim Hardway JR (and Mavs liked Green and Kuzma fits that team)
2) Maybe Evan Fournier as Magic can trade Gordon w/Kuz there
3) Terrence Ross (because they have Evan)
4) Maybe Gary Harris as Nuggest have some depth and likely need a PF for next year.
But neither Green or Kuzma really are going to get you a major star in return (Ie Zach LaVine). We either are stuck with them or we are going to take a 2nd
Tier type SG with fillers.
IE Evan Fourier, Magic 2nd, Aminu for Kuz, Green and 1st (plus salary matching). Honestly a player like Evan is the best I think we could get for that package.
Hope I am wrong but I don’t see a lot of teams jumping to take on Green $15m a year unless they just want to unload a bad contract and have some spending for 2021 |
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| Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2020 12:39 pm Post subject: |
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Is it time to bench Green and start Kuzma?
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