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PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2019 5:52 am    Post subject:

This is not a Lebron bashing thread.


The 34 year old attention whore.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2019 6:20 am    Post subject:

LakerSD wrote:
We will see what happens. I don’t feel good about Lebron winning a ring in his time here for 3 reasons:

1) He is going to be 35 this season.
2) AD trade had to be done, but it was a desperation move that proved to be correct (no max FA)
3) Sketchy FO

If you want to place blame, start with Jeanie. She let West go to the clippers. If you look at all the moves the clippers made prior to Jerry arriving to after he joined that organization...that’s all you need to know.



Well as for me Jenny I’ve been so waiting for the board to force her and her shadow clown show to step down or vet a real GM for this team.
The ad trade was beyond stupid to me. Agent saying he leaving and he wants to leave what we giving up everything for? Oyeah that’s right because magic in klutchs back pocket and this dumb fo has no will of their own but to just follow what magic offered the pels. Think about this our fo so dumb the pels fires Their GM because he was so dumb because not accepting the offer....we on the other hand didn’t fire magic for making such a idiot trade offer he actually quit...let that kick in...for all the idiot moves he made he wasn’t fired...he quit and let this kick in we just drafted someone who we didn’t even workout but due to him being part of klutch. We just resigned kcp knowing what he did last year but he klutch ....lol so done....lol.
We got Danny green for 15 a season...what has he done again?
We got boogie but tell me again what has he done last year? Don’t tell me about his pelican days tell me about this year.
I thought Dudley had retired till espn said he got into it with embid.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2019 6:56 am    Post subject:

LakerSD wrote:
We will see what happens. I don’t feel good about Lebron winning a ring in his time here for 3 reasons:

1) He is going to be 35 this season.
2) AD trade had to be done, but it was a desperation move that proved to be correct (no max FA)
3) Sketchy FO

If you want to place blame, start with Jeanie. She let West go to the clippers. If you look at all the moves the clippers made prior to Jerry arriving to after he joined that organization...that’s all you need to know.


Jeanie has been pissed at Logo ever since Logo told Dr Buss that he didn’t think her relationship with Phil was appropriate. Of course, Logo was right and it’s a conflict of interest to have the owners daughter getting banged by a egotistical head coach. She probably held a school girl grudge against Logo for telling on her and her “boyfriend.” I hate her more than anyone on the Lakers front office.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2019 7:12 am    Post subject:

1. PG13 never gave the Lakers a chance to sign him. He didn't even want to have a meeting with the Lakers and that was before LeBron to Lakers was announced.

2. How many stars turned down the Lakers before LeBron decided to hop onboard? Quite frankly, I am just thankful that finally a FA star choose the Lakers even if he was here for reasons other than basketball.

Multiple Championships? How about telling us the next winning lottery number first?

Get over it, Nostradamus.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2019 7:16 am    Post subject:

I didn't want to get Lebron, but its ridulous to call people idiots for signing him.

As is is, we have the best duo in the NBA, and are one of the top favorites for a ring. Even when Lebron is gone, we have AD.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2019 7:19 am    Post subject:

I doubt PG comes by himself to the Lakers himself last summer.

And no way did people connect KL/PG. no one in the media did.

How about letting this season play out a bit before the eulogy is given?
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2019 7:26 am    Post subject:

Revisionist history.

1. PG doesn't sign here by himself. This was never going to happen and the reason is.

2. The young players weren't very good. Future dynasty? Calm down. Ball can't make FTs or layup and Ingram needs to pound the air out of the ball to be effective. Hart is a role player. Dlo and Randle are so good that their prior teams weren't too interested in signing them.

Maybe players respect Doc Rivers and the fact the Clippers won 48 games last year?
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2019 7:32 am    Post subject:

Whuuut? We would have won championships?
Thats the sound of disbelief FYI.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2019 7:33 am    Post subject: Re: How getting Lebron cost this franchise multiple championships

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This isn't a Lebron bash thread. All the power to Lebron, his career and his future with us.

This isn't a Jeanie/Rob/Magic bash thread either. Although they clearly made a bunch of mistakes - a lot of idiots felt that getting Lebron was a great move for this franchise. So I'm not going to completely bash them and I really don't need to because it is evident that our FO is a huge mess. Maybe AD and LBJ will be enough to bring us a ring but it's going to be difficult when it never had to be.

The plan going into last year was very simple. This is exactly what I would have done and SHOULD have been done. Now a lot of you will say "well how do you know x would have come here" or "you can't say we would still get x without x". But the writing is on the wall. This team was possible and we had all the tools to get it done.

So how did we mess this up?

Jeanie/Magic/Rob went after Lebron. Going into the offseason there were murmurs that Lebron was the #1 FA and the #1 guy the Lakers wanted along with another superstar. We thought we were getting Lebron & PG. We only got Lebron. I believe we should have never gone after Lebron. His needs and age just did not match up or align with our team.

Soon as we signed Lebron - PG decides to stay in OKC. I don't care what anyone says, PG stayed with OKC because he did not want to be a part of the Lebron parade. Not many players do. A lot of people were bashing PG but I put no blame on him for choosing OKC. He rather prove to everyone he is the man on OKC (which he was this year) rather than play second fiddle to Lebron. The Kawhi rumours were already under way...

Here's what you do if you're the Lakers.

It's obvious certain guys DON'T want to play with LBJ. One of them was Kawhi - this was made obvious last year when he said he doesn't want to play w Lebron he wants to BEAT Lebron.

You sign PG - ignore Lebron. Let the 34 year attention whore go somewhere else.

You whiff on Kawhi trade because of Pop's demands but understand KL is coming next year to play for the Lakers.

Mid-season you do the AD trade - or wait it out like you did this till this summer.

We trade for AD this summer - KL signs with us and we had PG from the year prior.

AD
PG
KL

3 of the best two way players the game has to offer and all under 30. Game - set - match.

THis combo is MUCH better than LBJ/KL/AD and wins for years to come.

Instead we have AD/LBJ. Big difference. This was an easy slam dunk for us but we screwed it up by going after the biggest name in Lebron James.


Wrong on a lot of facts and assumptions.

First, PG chose OKC a whole day earlier before LeBron signed.

Second, PG as early as a month before free agency was already telling his OKC teammates he wanted to come back, he already started working out with Russ and his OKC teammates that off-season, he planned and produced an ESPN mini-series for ESPN about his decision a month in advance. So who’s to say he would’ve still chosen Lakers without LeBron? PG was the first chip to fall.

Third, you’re going to use PG, the guy who had no courtesy to even meet with us, the guy who made love to Westbrook and cheated behind his back just like he did Doc River’s daughter for a stripper in real life and tried to pay her off with a million dollars to get an abortion, as the template of your LeBron bashing?

Fourth, you don’t know the future. Who says AD even signs with Klutch without LeBron? You don’t know the future, so you can’t say x + y = z, you might be getting w instead.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2019 7:36 am    Post subject:

It's interesting how when the media reports something that goes along with someone's preconceived narrative they take it as fact despite getting things wrong way more often than not.

We see people saying no one wants to play with LeBron when we have Anthony Davis specifically saying, over and over, he wants to play with LeBron.

We see people laying out all these hypothetical scenarios as fact based off of various media reports ( ignoring the one's that report the exact opposite ) such as Kawhi wanting to be a Laker before LeBron yet there were a ton of reports that he still wanted to be a Laker after LeBron was here. Why do people dismiss the reports that he wanted to play with LeBron and accept the one's that he doesn't? To me, it makes the most sense that he would very well have played with LeBron but he didn't want to make a super team with himself, LeBron, AND Davis. AD being the reason he stayed away, not LeBron.

Pretty sure most of the people spouting this nonsense are low IQ individuals who think their 20/20 hindsight makes them smarter than our FO. There's a reason some people are making millions upon millions of dollars making these decisions ( with way more insight and information than anyone else is privy to ) and you guys are posting on a forum about what you would have done with the convenience of seeing how everything played out in hindsight.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2019 7:38 am    Post subject:

We finally have shooters around LBJ (and AD). How fun was it watching our YUTES clanking 3s and FTs?

And AD is 26 and IMO a will regret a Laker with his jersey in the rafters. He came bc of LBJ and wanted to play with him.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2019 7:57 am    Post subject:

Lot of denial in this thread. Excited to see AD but let’s not get it twisted we blew it with Lebron.

Oh and yes KL and PG have a much better chance st a dynasty than AD/LBJ. Lebron is OLD.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2019 7:59 am    Post subject:

Snipes wrote:
Lot of denial in this thread. Excited to see AD but let’s not get it twisted we blew it with Lebron.

Oh and yes KL and PG have a much better chance st a dynasty than AD/LBJ. Lebron is OLD.


Premature thread jaculation.

Seems a bit of George Bush “mission accomplished” for me. Let’s see how KL and PG work out (let alone their bodies).
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2019 8:16 am    Post subject:

If you sign PG and not Lebron, there's no guarantee that AD trade would've been available. We basically needed Lebron to miss a month of the season and then come back out of shape for us to suck as bad as we did, and move up in the draft with some luck. With Knicks getting the #3 pick, AD would likely be a Knick right now.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2019 8:21 am    Post subject:

yinoma2001 wrote:
We finally have shooters around LBJ (and AD). How fun was it watching our YUTES clanking 3s and FTs?

And AD is 26 and IMO a will regret a Laker with his jersey in the rafters. He came bc of LBJ and wanted to play with him.


One thing I will give Pelinka is he rectified last season’s major wrong of not having any (bleep) shooters.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2019 8:35 am    Post subject:

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If you sign PG and not Lebron, there's no guarantee that AD trade would've been available. We basically needed Lebron to miss a month of the season and then come back out of shape for us to suck as bad as we did, and move up in the draft with some luck. With Knicks getting the #3 pick, AD would likely be a Knick right now.


Even better.

We keep the kids, sign KL.

Zo/PG/Kawhi/Ingram/Kuz/Hart

If AD wants to come, which in this case we wouldn't even need him, we find a way to get him in 2020.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2019 8:40 am    Post subject:

USCandLakers wrote:
Ziggy wrote:
If you sign PG and not Lebron, there's no guarantee that AD trade would've been available. We basically needed Lebron to miss a month of the season and then come back out of shape for us to suck as bad as we did, and move up in the draft with some luck. With Knicks getting the #3 pick, AD would likely be a Knick right now.


Even better.

We keep the kids, sign KL.

Zo/PG/Kawhi/Ingram/Kuz/Hart

If AD wants to come, which in this case we wouldn't even need him, we find a way to get him in 2020.


This revisionist history is entertaining. Why would PG join the Lakers by himself in 2018? He’s shown that he’s a follower and not a leader.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2019 8:45 am    Post subject:

Actually if PG miraculously signed by himself in 2018 he likely misses the playoffs with the young squad and forces his way to the...Clips with KL.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2019 8:45 am    Post subject:

yinoma2001 wrote:
USCandLakers wrote:
Ziggy wrote:
If you sign PG and not Lebron, there's no guarantee that AD trade would've been available. We basically needed Lebron to miss a month of the season and then come back out of shape for us to suck as bad as we did, and move up in the draft with some luck. With Knicks getting the #3 pick, AD would likely be a Knick right now.


Even better.

We keep the kids, sign KL.

Zo/PG/Kawhi/Ingram/Kuz/Hart

If AD wants to come, which in this case we wouldn't even need him, we find a way to get him in 2020.


This revisionist history is entertaining. Why would PG join the Lakers by himself in 2018? He’s shown that he’s a follower and not a leader.


The man literally requested a trade here when we were a 20 win team. This question makes no sense.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2019 8:48 am    Post subject:

USCandLakers wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
USCandLakers wrote:
Ziggy wrote:
If you sign PG and not Lebron, there's no guarantee that AD trade would've been available. We basically needed Lebron to miss a month of the season and then come back out of shape for us to suck as bad as we did, and move up in the draft with some luck. With Knicks getting the #3 pick, AD would likely be a Knick right now.


Even better.

We keep the kids, sign KL.

Zo/PG/Kawhi/Ingram/Kuz/Hart

If AD wants to come, which in this case we wouldn't even need him, we find a way to get him in 2020.


This revisionist history is entertaining. Why would PG join the Lakers by himself in 2018? He’s shown that he’s a follower and not a leader.


The man literally requested a trade here when we were a 20 win team. This question makes no sense.


So did KAwhi. What’s your point?
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2019 8:52 am    Post subject:

And Kawhi said that he wanted to be traded to the Lakers when LBJ was already on the team a year ago.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2019 8:54 am    Post subject:

yinoma2001 wrote:
USCandLakers wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
USCandLakers wrote:
Ziggy wrote:
If you sign PG and not Lebron, there's no guarantee that AD trade would've been available. We basically needed Lebron to miss a month of the season and then come back out of shape for us to suck as bad as we did, and move up in the draft with some luck. With Knicks getting the #3 pick, AD would likely be a Knick right now.


Even better.

We keep the kids, sign KL.

Zo/PG/Kawhi/Ingram/Kuz/Hart

If AD wants to come, which in this case we wouldn't even need him, we find a way to get him in 2020.


This revisionist history is entertaining. Why would PG join the Lakers by himself in 2018? He’s shown that he’s a follower and not a leader.


The man literally requested a trade here when we were a 20 win team. This question makes no sense.


So did KAwhi. What’s your point?


That he requested a trade here when we were a 20 win team...
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2019 8:54 am    Post subject:

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And Kawhi said that he wanted to be traded to the Lakers when LBJ was already on the team a year ago.


Nope. Requested the trade here two weeks before LeBron signed.

Just like PG, curved us once we signed LeBron.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2019 8:55 am    Post subject:

Snipes wrote:
Lot of denial in this thread. Excited to see AD but let’s not get it twisted we blew it with Lebron.

Oh and yes KL and PG have a much better chance st a dynasty than AD/LBJ. Lebron is OLD.


With KL/PG on the Clippers, you are officially predicting they will win their first championship this year to start their dynasty?
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2019 8:57 am    Post subject:

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yinoma2001 wrote:
And Kawhi said that he wanted to be traded to the Lakers when LBJ was already on the team a year ago.


Nope. Requested the trade here two weeks before LeBron signed.

Just like PG, curved us once we signed LeBron.


Not according to this report on July 5th:

https://www.lakersnation.com/nba-trade-rumors-clippers-far-less-appealing-to-kawhi-leonard-since-lebron-james-signed-with-lakers/2018/07/05/

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“I’ve been told that one of the reasons why he looks at going to the Clippers or is a little less motivated is I think initially the idea of L.A. was fine to him. He preferred the Lakers but was open to the Clippers. But now that LeBron is in L.A., I think the idea of going head-to-head with LeBron, to have (Kawhi) with the Clippers, him with the Lakers, and to maybe feel dwarfed by that, I’m told that’s become far less appealing to him.”

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