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| cal1piggy wrote: | | if he is healthy, similar player to beverley? |
Similar but lacking that nasty streak.
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let's see the lakers-clippers matchup
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lakers-------clippers-----advantage
avery------beverley-------slight adv to clippers for recent performance
green------pg13------------clippers adv
lbj----------kawhi----------if lbj stays healthy, slightly lbj on o but big kawhi on d
ad----------green?---------big lakers adv
mcgee-----zu--------------slightly for mcgee
6th man
kuz---------lou-------------slightly lou for experience
why in the world do many sites list pg13 as a pf?
lbj and ad complement each other well on offense, but would pg13 and kawhi on offense?
healthy concerns for both pairs of stars
seems pretty even to me
and if lbj stays healthy, slight edge to lakers |
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oldschool32
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| Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2019 9:31 am Post subject: |
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| cal1piggy wrote: | let's see the lakers-clippers matchup
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lakers-------clippers-----advantage
avery------beverley-------slight adv to clippers for recent performance
green------pg13------------clippers adv
lbj----------kawhi----------if lbj stays healthy, slightly lbj on o but big kawhi on d
ad----------green?---------big lakers adv
mcgee-----zu--------------slightly for mcgee
6th man
kuz---------lou-------------slightly lou for experience
why in the world do many sites list pg13 as a pf?
lbj and ad complement each other well on offense, but would pg13 and kawhi on offense?
healthy concerns for both pairs of stars
seems pretty even to me
and if lbj stays healthy, slight edge to lakers |
Isn't Harrell their starting pf?
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cal1piggy
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| Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2019 9:35 am Post subject: |
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| oldschool32 wrote: | | cal1piggy wrote: | let's see the lakers-clippers matchup
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lakers-------clippers-----advantage
avery------beverley-------slight adv to clippers for recent performance
green------pg13------------clippers adv
lbj----------kawhi----------if lbj stays healthy, slightly lbj on o but big kawhi on d
ad----------green?---------big lakers adv
mcgee-----zu--------------slightly for mcgee
6th man
kuz---------lou-------------slightly lou for experience
why in the world do many sites list pg13 as a pf?
lbj and ad complement each other well on offense, but would pg13 and kawhi on offense?
healthy concerns for both pairs of stars
seems pretty even to me
and if lbj stays healthy, slight edge to lakers |
Isn't Harrell their starting pf? |
several sites listed pg13 as starting pf and green as first backup
i did not understand myself...
harrell was backup c mostly |
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epak
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| Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2019 9:35 am Post subject: |
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| cal1piggy wrote: | let's see the lakers-clippers matchup
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lakers-------clippers-----advantage
avery------beverley-------slight adv to clippers for recent performance
green------pg13------------clippers adv
lbj----------kawhi----------if lbj stays healthy, slightly lbj on o but big kawhi on d
ad----------green?---------big lakers adv
mcgee-----zu--------------slightly for mcgee
6th man
kuz---------lou-------------slightly lou for experience
why in the world do many sites list pg13 as a pf?
lbj and ad complement each other well on offense, but would pg13 and kawhi on offense?
healthy concerns for both pairs of stars
seems pretty even to me
and if lbj stays healthy, slight edge to lakers |
We'll have to see how the "team" plays as a whole.
It's tough to gauge that based on comparing positions/players especially since teams never play man to man defense without help defense.
We don't even know the lineups Frank will use yet.
But as long as the team is healthy, we should cause problems for the league. |
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| Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2019 9:36 am Post subject: |
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| epak wrote: | | cal1piggy wrote: | let's see the lakers-clippers matchup
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lakers-------clippers-----advantage
avery------beverley-------slight adv to clippers for recent performance
green------pg13------------clippers adv
lbj----------kawhi----------if lbj stays healthy, slightly lbj on o but big kawhi on d
ad----------green?---------big lakers adv
mcgee-----zu--------------slightly for mcgee
6th man
kuz---------lou-------------slightly lou for experience
why in the world do many sites list pg13 as a pf?
lbj and ad complement each other well on offense, but would pg13 and kawhi on offense?
healthy concerns for both pairs of stars
seems pretty even to me
and if lbj stays healthy, slight edge to lakers |
We'll have to see how the "team" plays as a whole.
It's tough to gauge that based on comparing positions/players especially since teams never play man to man defense without help defense.
We don't even know the lineups Frank will use yet.
But as long as the team is healthy, we should cause problems for the league. |
consider this a warning, NBA |
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epak
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| Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2019 10:00 am Post subject: |
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| governator wrote: | | epak wrote: | | cal1piggy wrote: | let's see the lakers-clippers matchup
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lakers-------clippers-----advantage
avery------beverley-------slight adv to clippers for recent performance
green------pg13------------clippers adv
lbj----------kawhi----------if lbj stays healthy, slightly lbj on o but big kawhi on d
ad----------green?---------big lakers adv
mcgee-----zu--------------slightly for mcgee
6th man
kuz---------lou-------------slightly lou for experience
why in the world do many sites list pg13 as a pf?
lbj and ad complement each other well on offense, but would pg13 and kawhi on offense?
healthy concerns for both pairs of stars
seems pretty even to me
and if lbj stays healthy, slight edge to lakers |
We'll have to see how the "team" plays as a whole.
It's tough to gauge that based on comparing positions/players especially since teams never play man to man defense without help defense.
We don't even know the lineups Frank will use yet.
But as long as the team is healthy, we should cause problems for the league. |
consider this a warning, NBA |
consider this a preseaon, NBA  |
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| Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2019 12:08 pm Post subject: |
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| oldschool32 wrote: | | cal1piggy wrote: | let's see the lakers-clippers matchup
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lakers-------clippers-----advantage
avery------beverley-------slight adv to clippers for recent performance
green------pg13------------clippers adv
lbj----------kawhi----------if lbj stays healthy, slightly lbj on o but big kawhi on d
ad----------green?---------big lakers adv
mcgee-----zu--------------slightly for mcgee
6th man
kuz---------lou-------------slightly lou for experience
why in the world do many sites list pg13 as a pf?
lbj and ad complement each other well on offense, but would pg13 and kawhi on offense?
healthy concerns for both pairs of stars
seems pretty even to me
and if lbj stays healthy, slight edge to lakers |
Isn't Harrell their starting pf? |
No, he comes off the bench.
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| Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2019 4:55 pm Post subject: |
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | oldschool32 wrote: | | cal1piggy wrote: | let's see the lakers-clippers matchup
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lakers-------clippers-----advantage
avery------beverley-------slight adv to clippers for recent performance
green------pg13------------clippers adv
lbj----------kawhi----------if lbj stays healthy, slightly lbj on o but big kawhi on d
ad----------green?---------big lakers adv
mcgee-----zu--------------slightly for mcgee
6th man
kuz---------lou-------------slightly lou for experience
why in the world do many sites list pg13 as a pf?
lbj and ad complement each other well on offense, but would pg13 and kawhi on offense?
healthy concerns for both pairs of stars
seems pretty even to me
and if lbj stays healthy, slight edge to lakers |
Isn't Harrell their starting pf? |
No, he comes off the bench. |
Who have they been starting at PF and C?
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| Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2019 5:40 pm Post subject: |
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| cal1piggy wrote: | let's see the lakers-clippers matchup
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lakers-------clippers-----advantage
avery------beverley-------slight adv to clippers for recent performance
green------pg13------------clippers adv
lbj----------kawhi----------if lbj stays healthy, slightly lbj on o but big kawhi on d
ad----------green?---------big lakers adv
mcgee-----zu--------------slightly for mcgee
6th man
kuz---------lou-------------slightly lou for experience
why in the world do many sites list pg13 as a pf?
lbj and ad complement each other well on offense, but would pg13 and kawhi on offense?
healthy concerns for both pairs of stars
seems pretty even to me
and if lbj stays healthy, slight edge to lakers |
Solid except 'slightly Lou'
No, that's definitely advantage for Lou lol. Lou can takeover and do much more than what Kuz has shown. |
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venturalakersfan
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| Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2019 5:55 pm Post subject: |
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| Judah wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | oldschool32 wrote: | | cal1piggy wrote: | let's see the lakers-clippers matchup
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lakers-------clippers-----advantage
avery------beverley-------slight adv to clippers for recent performance
green------pg13------------clippers adv
lbj----------kawhi----------if lbj stays healthy, slightly lbj on o but big kawhi on d
ad----------green?---------big lakers adv
mcgee-----zu--------------slightly for mcgee
6th man
kuz---------lou-------------slightly lou for experience
why in the world do many sites list pg13 as a pf?
lbj and ad complement each other well on offense, but would pg13 and kawhi on offense?
healthy concerns for both pairs of stars
seems pretty even to me
and if lbj stays healthy, slight edge to lakers |
Isn't Harrell their starting pf? |
No, he comes off the bench. |
Who have they been starting at PF and C? |
Green and Zubac.
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| Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2019 6:04 pm Post subject: |
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | Judah wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | oldschool32 wrote: | | cal1piggy wrote: | let's see the lakers-clippers matchup
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lakers-------clippers-----advantage
avery------beverley-------slight adv to clippers for recent performance
green------pg13------------clippers adv
lbj----------kawhi----------if lbj stays healthy, slightly lbj on o but big kawhi on d
ad----------green?---------big lakers adv
mcgee-----zu--------------slightly for mcgee
6th man
kuz---------lou-------------slightly lou for experience
why in the world do many sites list pg13 as a pf?
lbj and ad complement each other well on offense, but would pg13 and kawhi on offense?
healthy concerns for both pairs of stars
seems pretty even to me
and if lbj stays healthy, slight edge to lakers |
Isn't Harrell their starting pf? |
No, he comes off the bench. |
Who have they been starting at PF and C? |
Green and Zubac. |
Hmm. Interesting.
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Javale (or Dwight for that matter) slightly over zubac? Nah, Mcgee or Howard will cream Zu-goat on most nights imo.
I still think Balmer gave Zu that contract to troll the Lakers. |
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| oaktown_dimond wrote: | Javale (or Dwight for that matter) slightly over zubac? Nah, Mcgee or Howard will cream Zu-goat on most nights imo.
I still think Balmer gave Zu that contract to troll the Lakers. |
zu's contact and beverly are the clippers demise |
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I don't think Zub changes much of anything for the Clips.
It'll come down to how well Harrell can stop guys like AD. If he can't, they're toast, b/c Zub is obviously not the answer.
I expect Zub to be the Clips version of Tiago Splitter/Nesterovic, etc., the nominal starting center.
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| scout0_0 wrote: | | oaktown_dimond wrote: | Javale (or Dwight for that matter) slightly over zubac? Nah, Mcgee or Howard will cream Zu-goat on most nights imo.
I still think Balmer gave Zu that contract to troll the Lakers. |
zu's contact and beverly are the clippers demise |
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Not concerned about the Clippers until I see their full team and how they play together. Doc is a good coach, but I do not see the sum being greater than the parts - especially if PG's shoulders continue to trouble him.
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| Posted: Fri Oct 18, 2019 7:43 am Post subject: |
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| scout0_0 wrote: | | oaktown_dimond wrote: | Javale (or Dwight for that matter) slightly over zubac? Nah, Mcgee or Howard will cream Zu-goat on most nights imo.
I still think Balmer gave Zu that contract to troll the Lakers. |
zu's contact and beverly are the clippers demise |
Remember when I brought up Zu's playoff numbers on the interview with SAS and people got all offended? |
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| Posted: Fri Oct 18, 2019 7:48 am Post subject: |
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| cal1piggy wrote: | let's see the lakers-clippers matchup
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lakers-------clippers-----advantage
avery------beverley-------slight adv to clippers for recent performance
green------pg13------------clippers adv
lbj----------kawhi----------if lbj stays healthy, slightly lbj on o but big kawhi on d
ad----------green?---------big lakers adv
mcgee-----zu--------------slightly for mcgee
6th man
kuz---------lou-------------slightly lou for experience
why in the world do many sites list pg13 as a pf?
lbj and ad complement each other well on offense, but would pg13 and kawhi on offense?
healthy concerns for both pairs of stars
seems pretty even to me
and if lbj stays healthy, slight edge to lakers |
why not round out the rest too?
Dwight, KCP, Cook, Rondo, Dudley ------------ Harrell, Shamet, Harkless, Robinson, Patterson |
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| Montrez is also a clutch client.. Lets see how that goes |
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It's amusing how overrated the Clippers are, specifically their defense. If you don't have great interior defense, you won't have a great defense. Kawhi was the 4th or 5th best defender on the Raptors. LAC had a bottom 10 defense and are hoping he can mask their flaws but he's never had to carry an entire defense like he will with PG out let alone be asked to carry the offense at the same time. He looked really tired in their last preseason game after only playing 33 minutes in 2 games. A slow start will dampen the expectations for them. They're a good team that's in a position where a season to gel and a few savvy moves will make them the favorites but not at all legit contenders at this point.
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| Posted: Fri Oct 18, 2019 8:47 am Post subject: |
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| 2019 wrote: | | cal1piggy wrote: | let's see the lakers-clippers matchup
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lakers-------clippers-----advantage
avery------beverley-------slight adv to clippers for recent performance
green------pg13------------clippers adv
lbj----------kawhi----------if lbj stays healthy, slightly lbj on o but big kawhi on d
ad----------green?---------big lakers adv
mcgee-----zu--------------slightly for mcgee
6th man
kuz---------lou-------------slightly lou for experience
why in the world do many sites list pg13 as a pf?
lbj and ad complement each other well on offense, but would pg13 and kawhi on offense?
healthy concerns for both pairs of stars
seems pretty even to me
and if lbj stays healthy, slight edge to lakers |
why not round out the rest too?
Dwight, KCP, Cook, Rondo, Dudley ------------ Harrell, Shamet, Harkless, Robinson, Patterson |
size -> lakers
athleticism -> clippers
experience > lakers
youth -> clippers
3p shooting -> lakers
defense -> clippers
overall pretty much reflects the teams overall |
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| manlisten wrote: | | It's amusing how overrated the Clippers are, specifically their defense. If you don't have great interior defense, you won't have a great defense. Kawhi was the 4th or 5th best defender on the Raptors. LAC had a bottom 10 defense and are hoping he can mask their flaws but he's never had to carry an entire defense like he will with PG out let alone be asked to carry the offense at the same time. He looked really tired in their last preseason game after only playing 33 minutes in 2 games. A slow start will dampen the expectations for them. They're a good team that's in a position where a season to gel and a few savvy moves will make them the favorites but not at all legit contenders at this point. |
Oh yeah the Clipper hype is ridiculous. PG is not even playing and Leonard has had a severe minutes restriction due to his quad.
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| Posted: Fri Oct 18, 2019 9:05 am Post subject: |
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| cal1piggy wrote: |
size -> lakers
athleticism -> clippers
experience > lakers
youth -> clippers
3p shooting -> lakers
defense -> clippers
overall pretty much reflects the teams overall |
Let's break that down (using the depth chart from RealGM):
Bradley (2X All-D) vs Beverley (2X All-D): EVEN (AB coming off injury but 3 yrs younger than Bev)
Green (1X All-D) vs Shamet: LAKERS/GREEN
LeBron (6X All-D) vs Kawhi (5X All-D): CLIPPERS/KAWHI
Davis (3X All-D) vs PG (4X All-D): LAKERS/DAVIS (PG cannot handle AD in the post)
McGee vs Zubac: LAKERS/MCGEE
Looking at the benches:
LAKERS: D39 will be a plus defender, Caruso and KCP will have their moments.
CLIPPERS:Harrell and Harkless are energy/hustle guys, but not lockdown defenders. Lou Will can't guard me and I'm 56 years old.
So, I could see giving the Clippers a moderate edge on perimeter defense and the Lakers a big edge on interior defense. If you factor in rebounding as the final piece of defense, I think the Lakers may actually get the nod.
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| Posted: Fri Oct 18, 2019 9:06 am Post subject: |
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| singlecamVTEC wrote: | | cal1piggy wrote: | let's see the lakers-clippers matchup
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lakers-------clippers-----advantage
avery------beverley-------slight adv to clippers for recent performance
green------pg13------------clippers adv
lbj----------kawhi----------if lbj stays healthy, slightly lbj on o but big kawhi on d
ad----------green?---------big lakers adv
mcgee-----zu--------------slightly for mcgee
6th man
kuz---------lou-------------slightly lou for experience
why in the world do many sites list pg13 as a pf?
lbj and ad complement each other well on offense, but would pg13 and kawhi on offense?
healthy concerns for both pairs of stars
seems pretty even to me
and if lbj stays healthy, slight edge to lakers |
Solid except 'slightly Lou'
No, that's definitely advantage for Lou lol. Lou can takeover and do much more than what Kuz has shown. |
here is my basis for rating lou slight adv over kuz
playing with at least one star, both are really good complementary pieces
where i give lou an edge is if not playing with at least 1 star, but that is not likely except in case of injury. |
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