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Do you think that LeBron is still the best player in the world?
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2019 4:53 am    Post subject: Do you think that LeBron is still the best player in the world?

Question's there.

Obviously, if you know me, I believe he isn't. KD, Kawhi, Giannis, Steph and AD had already surpassed LeBron in my eyes.

I'm interested in seeing what the masses think as of today.

Lebron's unwillingness to defend, his current age, along with missing the playoffs last year in the tougher West answered that question for me. Yes, I don't take the groin thing as an excuse.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2019 4:56 am    Post subject:

Well rested, punked by Kawhi in the off season... yeah, I expect a historic season from LeBron (at least in the post season)
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2019 4:57 am    Post subject:

Right now (excluding the injured KD), I think Kawhi is the only one definitely better than him. Possibly Giannis, too, but the lack of shooting hurts the Freak, so I'd still put LeBron over him for the time being

So, in short terms, no he isn't the best player in the world right now. With an impactful season, though, that could change, and he can still do that IMO
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2019 5:01 am    Post subject:

alleyoop wrote:
Right now (excluding the injured KD), I think Kawhi is the only one definitely better than him. Possibly Giannis, too, but the lack of shooting hurts the Freak, so I'd still put LeBron over him for the time being

So, in short terms, no he isn't the best player in the world right now. With an impactful season, though, that could change, and he can still do that IMO


Giannis got 'shut down' in Playoff, can't see any players doing that to LeBron... not yet better
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2019 5:03 am    Post subject:

Steph is better than LeBron?
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2019 5:12 am    Post subject:

No. It all comes down to defense for me. Offensively, he's still the best in the game imo, but his defense gets worse every year. I'd prefer to see less minutes out of him and more effort on the defensive side of the ball.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2019 5:19 am    Post subject:

No but its a team game so he doesnt have to be
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2019 5:22 am    Post subject:

If someone told you, you had to trade Lebron ... right now ... and whoever you traded him for would leave in 2 years no matter what...

Who would you trade him for?
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2019 5:26 am    Post subject:

In the playoffs I think he still is the man.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2019 5:26 am    Post subject:

Definitely no.

1. Kawhi
2. Giannis
3. LBJ
4. AD
5. Harden

I have KD instead of Harden but he is injured so no point to include him.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2019 5:30 am    Post subject:

On any given night he can be the best.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2019 5:36 am    Post subject:

ringfinger wrote:
If someone told you, you had to trade Lebron ... right now ... and whoever you traded him for would leave in 2 years no matter what...

Who would you trade him for?


hmm... I would say nobody
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2019 5:37 am    Post subject:

ringfinger wrote:
If someone told you, you had to trade Lebron ... right now ... and whoever you traded him for would leave in 2 years no matter what...

Who would you trade him for?

Kawhi, Jimmy Butler, Paul George or Steph.

Are you new to these forums? I wanted to send LeBron to Miami last month.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2019 5:50 am    Post subject:

Not the best, but still Top 5 when he's healthy imo.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2019 5:53 am    Post subject:

LandsbergerRules wrote:
Not the best, but still Top 5 when he's healthy imo.

Agreed. We need a world's best player type of season from him though... perhaps, two-three seasons. I'm hoping that this crap stunt Kawhi pulled has lit a fire in LeBron's belly and that he'll want to stamp his authority over Kawhi, the Dippers and the rest of the league too because he still got game.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2019 6:08 am    Post subject:

I doubt it, but he can still reach a high on any given night that no one else can. I don't think he has it in him any more to give full effort on both ends of the floor 70 games a season plus playoffs, though.

It's still silly to fault him for last season. His performance was just as good as it's ever been. The team was fine when it was healthy. It fell apart without him, and when he came back, all the other good players were hurt and he was a one-man team surrounded by scrubs. The concern with him is health, but his production hasn't gone anywhere.

People underestimate the effect of lack of roster continuity. It wasn't just total games lost to injury. It's that we were throwing out completely new lineups of guys who had never played together every couple weeks after January. No team can succeed doing that. It's playing a rec league random assemblage against real pro teams. It doesn't matter how individually talented the players are. They aren't going to win.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2019 6:14 am    Post subject:

Yes, he’s the best player, the question is how many games he can sustain it over. Btw, kawai and Steph and KD are the only other guys who can claim the stage in this type argument. Until butler and George and giannis actually take a team to the finals, much less win it, they aren’t there yet.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2019 6:16 am    Post subject:

Omar Little wrote:
Yes, he’s the best player, the question is how many games he can sustain it over. Btw, kawai and Steph and AD are the only other guys who can claim the stage in this type argument. Until butler and George and giannis actually take a team to the finals, much less win it, they aren’t there yet.


AD never been to finals too boss
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2019 6:17 am    Post subject:

Jordan won that last title at age 35, right?


I still think we have a shot to see 1-2 titles from Lebron forthcoming, and when he does it, people will say, "oh, yeah."
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2019 6:18 am    Post subject:

governator wrote:
Omar Little wrote:
Yes, he’s the best player, the question is how many games he can sustain it over. Btw, kawai and Steph and AD are the only other guys who can claim the stage in this type argument. Until butler and George and giannis actually take a team to the finals, much less win it, they aren’t there yet.


AD never been to finals too boss


Sorry, that was supposed to be KD
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2019 6:19 am    Post subject:

UKUGA wrote:
Jordan won that last title at age 35, right?


I still think we have a shot to see 1-2 titles from Lebron forthcoming, and when he does it, people will say, "oh, yeah."


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2019 6:21 am    Post subject:

Probably not even the best player on this team. But still top five
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2019 6:28 am    Post subject:

I would say that a motivated LBJ would have one last chance at being the greatest player in the world this season.

However, I have a feeling that Lakers fans all across Los Angeles will absolutely abuse Kawhi and Paul George everywhere they go, and this will create incredible motivation among both of them to prove the world wrong.

We are playing into their hands feeding this us against the world mentality.

What we should do, is simply ignore them as the Clippers are normally ignored... but we won't.

People will laugh at them, mock them, taunt them.

They will either rise to challenge and play like they've never played before... or perhaps fold under the pressure.

I'm not saying no one will love them or be excited to see them... they are stars so of course people will still flock to take selfies or get their autographs... but for every one of those... there will be two who crap on them and give them sh*t.

I'm not sure of the outcome but LBJ, PG, Kawhi will all be playing with a vengeance... AD, I'm not so sure... but he will need to find that motivation too.

It will be great theater though whatever happens.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2019 6:30 am    Post subject:

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I would say that a motivated LBJ would have one last chance at being the greatest player in the world this season.

However, I have a feeling that Lakers fans all across Los Angeles will absolutely abuse Kawhi and Paul George everywhere they go, and this will create incredible motivation among both of them to prove the world wrong.

We are playing into their hands feeding this us against the world mentality.

What we should do, is simply ignore them as the Clippers are normally ignored... but we won't.

People will laugh at them, mock them, taunt them.

They will either rise to challenge and play like they've never played before... or perhaps fold under the pressure.

I'm not saying no one will love them or be excited to see them... they are stars so of course people will still flock to take selfies or get their autographs... but for every one of those... there will be two who crap on them and give them sh*t.

I'm not sure of the outcome but LBJ, PG, Kawhi will all be playing with a vengeance... AD, I'm not so sure... but he will need to find that motivation too.

It will be great theater though whatever happens.


So we're not doing the Ha Hah Ha Hah Ha Hah (in Kawhi) everytime he touch the ball?
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2019 6:35 am    Post subject:

governator wrote:
Sentient Meat wrote:
I would say that a motivated LBJ would have one last chance at being the greatest player in the world this season.

However, I have a feeling that Lakers fans all across Los Angeles will absolutely abuse Kawhi and Paul George everywhere they go, and this will create incredible motivation among both of them to prove the world wrong.

We are playing into their hands feeding this us against the world mentality.

What we should do, is simply ignore them as the Clippers are normally ignored... but we won't.

People will laugh at them, mock them, taunt them.

They will either rise to challenge and play like they've never played before... or perhaps fold under the pressure.

I'm not saying no one will love them or be excited to see them... they are stars so of course people will still flock to take selfies or get their autographs... but for every one of those... there will be two who crap on them and give them sh*t.

I'm not sure of the outcome but LBJ, PG, Kawhi will all be playing with a vengeance... AD, I'm not so sure... but he will need to find that motivation too.

It will be great theater though whatever happens.


So we're not doing the Ha Hah Ha Hah Ha Hah (in Kawhi) everytime he touch the ball?


Paul George was visibly shaken when we booed him after he joined OKC.
You could tell it was really important he was vindicated

Kawhi is just bad ass period.

Angering those two, is not good strategy... but it will happen, what can you do.

LBJ has been blasted all season for playing God with the team, so you know he will also be motivated.

My only question is whether AD will be at the same psychological intensity as the other three.

If he is, it will be incredible to watch.


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