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activeverb
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | Vancouver Fan wrote: | | Short term gains is an A. Long term is a C. Therefore a B. |
Yeah, it's always tough to grade two sort of distinct criteria.
But 2020 is an eternity away. Very much looking forward to this upcoming season. |
Any grade is just a way of passing time until the season starts.
The "grades" will go up and down over the years depending on the performance of the guys we got, and the players and draft picks we drafted.
Getting worked up about the grades is like being worked up over a game of solitaire. |
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Hanging from Rafters
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It’s ironic that Mitch and Jim got fired after they “learned” what had to be done and was replaced by Magic who did the same mistake...telling fans “it’s ok we’re gonna suck next year but just wait until year after next.” I just couldn’t do that again after doing it 5 years in a row.
It was time for the firings but conceptual they were on to something, if they had signed MozDeng to 3 year contracts or team option for 4th maybe, but they didn’t so it was time to let them go. Was good Magic quit also because he was only interested in the home run instead of building a team. It’s ok to swing for the fences but if you strike out 3/4 times in a row and don’t change
Tactics it’s failure. |
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Beir32
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| Sentient Meat wrote: | | Beir32 wrote: | | Sentient Meat wrote: | | Beir32 wrote: |
You should really consider adding this to your signature.  |
I don't think I am negative... I only say it out of consideration for other posters.
Some people wake up every morning and think the world is wonderful... ignoring the fact that three people own more wealth than the bottom 160 million Americans combined. They think it's fine that we've been at perpetual war for years... killing people daily... but choose not to put it on the news... they think that the Earth is doing amazing... and there is no need to do anything to protect our environment.
My point is that sure, no one likes to hear the truth... if you want to be socially acceptable you will just tell people what they want to hear if you want to be liked... but what good is a board where everyone says the exact same thing?
Maybe I'll try that for a week... just be a cheerleader.
You'll all laugh and say Thank God for a week vacation... but it still won't change the reality of the situation.
There's a reason why you only hear about why everything is okay other than a few random criminals on eyewitness news dragging us down from our collective amazingness.
It gets better ratings if you tell everyone we are doing great. |
Yeah that's a nice speech and everything but it's disingenuous. You might get (bleep) on too much on this board by not being all sunshine and rainbows but we both know that you say plenty of things that get you criticized that are purely your own opinion. |
Almost everything said here is our own opinion... and when I've been factually wrong as I was the other day... I say I'm sorry about it.
My opinion is a minority opinion... that's the main problem with it.
If all I did was make one sentence affirming posts most of you would think I'm doing great. |
Exactly. Which is why I took exception to you saying…
| Quote: | | sure, no one likes to hear the truth... |
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J.C. Smith
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To me it's somewhere in the B+/A- range.
They gave up a lot for AD, but they got him. That acquisition helped them put what I think was the best offer for Kawhi out there, but his heart was elsewhere. I can't fault them for that. I'm glad they went all in. If they land Kawhi they created a superteam. It didn't work out that way but he was worth the risk.
The time that he strung them along could have been crippling but I think they did a decent job at filling out the roster, nonetheless. Cousins on a cheap deal is a steal. While they may have overpaid slightly for Green and KCP, they maintained cap flexibility with two year contracts. Avery Bradley was also a good pickup, as well as bringing back Javele. Cook, Daniels and Dudley may not be exciting additions, but they addressed the Lakers largest need: Shooting.
I know a lot of people here groaned and complained about bringing Rondo back on a two year deal, but he's on a cheap contract and he has shown time and time again that he can elevate his game in big moments. They got him to take less than he had in previous contracts, I personally think it was a good deal even if I'm not a huge fan of his game. |
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Sentient Meat
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[quote="Beir32"] | Sentient Meat wrote: |
Exactly. Which is why I took exception to you saying…
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The truth and my opinion aren't mutually exclusive. Far from it in fact.
If you called out all the liberties taken with the positive crowd... of which the examples are way more abundant imo, I'd at least respect you trying to preserve the board's integrity.
If you only censure one person's or one point of view's posts... then it ceases to become an editor trying to keep the board's content from going astray... but someone only advocating for their own bias.
Start scolding the "positive" posters for some of their ridiculous Pollyanna takes and then maybe I think you care about my integrity vs. simply going after my point of view. |
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Beir32
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[quote="Sentient Meat"] | Beir32 wrote: | | Sentient Meat wrote: |
Exactly. Which is why I took exception to you saying…
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The truth and my opinion aren't mutually exclusive. Far from it in fact.
If you called out all the liberties taken with the positive crowd... of which the examples are way more abundant imo, I'd at least respect you trying to preserve the board's integrity.
If you only censure one person's or one point of view's posts... then it ceases to become an editor trying to keep the board's content from going astray... but someone only advocating for their own bias.
Start scolding the "positive" posters for some of their ridiculous Pollyanna takes and then maybe I think you care about my integrity vs. simply going after my point of view. |
Ugh. This strawman again. I don't know why I bother with you. |
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Aeneas Hunter
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| Hanging from Rafters wrote: | | The plan was 2 max plus the young core...the Lakers didn’t event get two and the core. Had to use the young players to get the second and wiffed on the 3rd. With that in mind I feel a fan had to be unaware or intellectually irresponsible to fall short of goal yet still grade an A. Because of the signings and recovery I gave a C but understand those that may give a B. No A tho. |
It depends on what you are grading.
If you are grading Magic's two max FA plan, it failed. When George signed with OKC, we had to punt to this summer. We didn't get a second max FA, and we had to burn our young core plus a load of draft rights to get Davis.
If you are grading just this summer, the criteria are different. I gave this offseason a B, but I would give a lower grade if we looked back to the beginning of the Magic-Pelinka regime. |
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Sentient Meat
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[quote="Beir32"] | Sentient Meat wrote: | | Beir32 wrote: | | Sentient Meat wrote: |
Exactly. Which is why I took exception to you saying…
| Quote: | | sure, no one likes to hear the truth... |
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The truth and my opinion aren't mutually exclusive. Far from it in fact.
If you called out all the liberties taken with the positive crowd... of which the examples are way more abundant imo, I'd at least respect you trying to preserve the board's integrity.
If you only censure one person's or one point of view's posts... then it ceases to become an editor trying to keep the board's content from going astray... but someone only advocating for their own bias.
Start scolding the "positive" posters for some of their ridiculous Pollyanna takes and then maybe I think you care about my integrity vs. simply going after my point of view. |
Ugh. This strawman again. I don't know why I bother with you. |
Where's the straw man?
You only attack one poster on a consistent basis.
Link me to all the "positive" posters that you chose to censure
I agreed with your point that we all were entitled to our opinion... I pointed out that you seemed to only go after one poster or one point of view.
If you show me where I'm wrong, I'll retract my statement.
I already admitted I've made mistakes and apologized for them.
This was a separate point... thus not a straw man. |
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yinoma2001
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Please don't "Dwight Howard" this thread. Can we move on?
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Boldarblood
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| solid recovery, Im happy considering all circumstances. |
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Beir32
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| Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2019 1:49 pm Post subject: |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | Please don't "Dwight Howard" this thread. Can we move on? |
We need an "ignore" feature on this board. |
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laker50
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Has to be an A.
Going from a surefire lottery team to a contender?
And getting two superstars.
And a good supporting cast.
Danny Green, AB, KCP, Cook. Good shooters and defenders.
Add in Demarcus and McGee.
Getting some great coaches. All experienced and respected. |
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Any offseason that puts us in title contention is an A to me
If you feel otherwise, me thinks you are a spoiled fan |
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B.
Because it could have been better.
An A would suggest a perfect or near perfect offseason. |
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LakerLogic
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| B. They didn't do anything special. Failed on the 2 MAX plan. I guess it could have been worse. |
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ringfinger
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| LakerLogic wrote: | | B. They didn't do anything special. Failed on the 2 MAX plan. I guess it could have been worse. |
Yup.
They course corrected welll.
But if you had to course correct you can’t get an A. From me anyway. |
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LakerLogic
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| ringfinger wrote: | | LakerLogic wrote: | | B. They didn't do anything special. Failed on the 2 MAX plan. I guess it could have been worse. |
Yup.
They course corrected welll.
But if you had to course correct you can’t get an A. From me anyway. |
It really can't be an A.
They traded young assets or let them walk to get the 2nd max with FA. No PG or KL. That was the primary plan and it failed.
I also think we overpaid on AD. |
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kwase
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| If we win the championship this season then it's a B. If not, it's a D. We gave our future away for AD and we could have got him straight up if we waited a year, and all Pelinka did was take what was left after Kawhi told us no. |
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| kwase wrote: | | If we win the championship this season then it's a B. If not, it's a D. We gave our future away for AD and we could have got him straight up if we waited a year, and all Pelinka did was take what was left after Kawhi told us no. |
Winning a championship is a B??? 
There are 30 NBA teams. If teams took turns winning championships, the trophy would come to the Lakers once every 30 years. The Lakers have brought home so many championships, that some fans forget how rare it is for most teams to get one. To trade assets to get a championship this year is definitely an A.
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yinoma2001
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| kwase wrote: | | If we win the championship this season then it's a B. If not, it's a D. We gave our future away for AD and we could have got him straight up if we waited a year, and all Pelinka did was take what was left after Kawhi told us no. |
Good lord.
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Laker fans in a nutshell
"If we win the championship it's a B"
If we 3 peat I'll raise it to a B+
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HBLaker
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| defense wrote: | Any offseason that puts us in title contention is an A to me
If you feel otherwise, me thinks you are a spoiled fan |
This. Graded on a curve there is no other option than an A..... |
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LandsbergerRules
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| kwase wrote: | | If we win the championship this season then it's a B. If not, it's a D. We gave our future away for AD and we could have got him straight up if we waited a year, and all Pelinka did was take what was left after Kawhi told us no. |
LOFL at winning a (bleep) ring being a B.
Playoffs=B
Get to The Finals=B+
Winning The Chip=A
Multiple Rings=A+
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toffee
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If we got Kyrie i would give us A+ and he's the only max player that i wanted next to Lebron and AD, i couldn't care less about Kawhi.
Even though we didn't get Kyrie, i'm giving us a solid A, we pretty much got all role players that we needed, plus despite all the haters, i love that Rondo and KCP are back.
AD: A+
Green: A
Boogie: A
KCP: A+
Rondo: A+
Dudley: B
Daniels: B
JaVale A
Bradley: A
Cook: A
Caruso: B
THT: B |
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Beir32
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| Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2019 8:53 pm Post subject: |
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| kwase wrote: | | If we win the championship this season then it's a B. If not, it's a D. We gave our future away for AD and we could have got him straight up if we waited a year, and all Pelinka did was take what was left after Kawhi told us no. |
Just like Paul George and Kawhi Leonard. |
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