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LaxT
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Bard--Thank you.
Value of the DPE is close to nothing.
If the team wants to add a forward later, they need to cut somebody, or find a trade partner.
Dudley committed early, and after Kawhi's decision, Pelinka did not add a single forward among his contingent signings. I guess he made the signings with the assumption that Iggy will get bought out and sign here for the minimum. Instead the teams needs to use that spot for a center now.
If the team does not mind taking back a multi year contract, trading for a forward later might work with a team trying to shed salaries. |
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| We maybe should cut someone and add Faried, Sefalosha, and Pachulia |
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We have too many one dimensional (and can only functionally defend only guards) guards at the expense of center sized bigs and bigger wing defenders. Something has to give, especially b/c with 8 guards vying for 96 minutes, a bunch won't play.
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | Daniels is the most susceptible to being cut to make room for a backup center/Iggy (if he is waived).
Right now I would sign the backup center, and IF IGGY is released then consider cutting Daniels. He'll still get his full contract paid so he will be fine as he will collect double when he joins another team. |
I would cut Cousins and keep a guy who can actually play. |
Possibly. But as people pointed out, his 3.5m deal is a good salary ballast to include in a trade.
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LaxT
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| Posted: Thu Aug 22, 2019 10:29 pm Post subject: |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | Daniels is the most susceptible to being cut to make room for a backup center/Iggy (if he is waived).
Right now I would sign the backup center, and IF IGGY is released then consider cutting Daniels. He'll still get his full contract paid so he will be fine as he will collect double when he joins another team. |
I would cut Cousins and keep a guy who can actually play. |
Possibly. But as people pointed out, his 3.5m deal is a good salary ballast to include in a trade. |
Counsins+Daniel can be traded for 9.8M. That could mean a forward at 2yr/20M. Or Counsins+KCP for 2yr/33M. There will be options as long as the team is willing to pay. |
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Yes, this team balance doesn't make a lot of sense.
Have 4 PGs and one center.
8 SGs and one SF.
Sure a lot of shooters.
But again not a lot of balance at CRITICAL positions. |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | Daniels is the most susceptible to being cut to make room for a backup center/Iggy (if he is waived).
Right now I would sign the backup center, and IF IGGY is released then consider cutting Daniels. He'll still get his full contract paid so he will be fine as he will collect double when he joins another team. |
I would cut Cousins and keep a guy who can actually play. |
Possibly. But as people pointed out, his 3.5m deal is a good salary ballast to include in a trade. |
That obviously hasn't been a goal of this FO, they have given away potential salary ballast.
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This brings up my 8 guards, 96 minutes issues.
Bradley has averaged about 30mpg the past 2 seasons.
Green has averaged about 26mpg the past 2 seasons.
So pencil them in for say:
Bradley: 25mpg (23 mpg left at SG)
Green: 25mpg (23mpg left at SG)
That leaves 46 minutes for the other 6 players, and none are ideal at SF.
KCP played about 24mpg last season, but doubt he gets that much. But let's assume he takes about 20mpg. That leaves a whopping 3mpg left at SG (or the unpleasant thought of KCP playing SF minutes).
I do see Rondo playing (even if not ideal). He played 30mpg last year for the Lakers. No way he can do that. So even if he takes a hefty reduction in minutes to say 20mpg, that leaves 3 mpg left at PG.
We haven't even accounted for Caruso, Cook (Daniels/THT will play garbage of the garbage time).
You can siphon maybe 10-12mpg out of Green at SF. But still, that means Caruso/Cook are going to have a hard time finding minutes.
This roster construction is lopsided and will probably have to be remedied come 12/15.
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | This brings up my 8 guards, 96 minutes issues.
Bradley has averaged about 30mpg the past 2 seasons.
Green has averaged about 26mpg the past 2 seasons.
So pencil them in for say:
Bradley: 25mpg (23 mpg left at SG)
Green: 25mpg (23mpg left at SG)
That leaves 46 minutes for the other 6 players, and none are ideal at SF.
KCP played about 24mpg last season, but doubt he gets that much. But let's assume he takes about 20mpg. That leaves a whopping 3mpg left at SG (or the unpleasant thought of KCP playing SF minutes).
I do see Rondo playing (even if not ideal). He played 30mpg last year for the Lakers. No way he can do that. So even if he takes a hefty reduction in minutes to say 20mpg, that leaves 3 mpg left at PG.
We haven't even accounted for Caruso, Cook (Daniels/THT will play garbage of the garbage time).
You can siphon maybe 10-12mpg out of Green at SF. But still, that means Caruso/Cook are going to have a hard time finding minutes.
This roster construction is lopsided and will probably have to be remedied come 12/15. |
With Ingram and Ball gone and Green destined to play some SF with Kuzma aching, there won't be much of a size advantage at the two guard positions like there was last season. |
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Yeah. Though I think LBJ plays a lion share of the "SF" minutes and Kuz will back some up too. I think the SF will be shared via LBJ/Green/Kuz/Dudley. Hopefully Iggy buyout will happen one day...#FREEIGGY.
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| Plenty of trade-package-fodder in that group if needed. js |
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Bradley and KCP should start. They are the two most athletic and gifted players at those positions. Danny Green, Rondo should come off the bench as vets.
There will be moments for Caruso, Cook and even Daniels. They will need to step up and take them.
However I would guess our 4 man rotation is Bradley-KCP-Green-Rondo. |
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| wolfpaclaker wrote: | Bradley and KCP should start. They are the two most athletic and gifted players at those positions. Danny Green, Rondo should come off the bench as vets.
There will be moments for Caruso, Cook and even Daniels. They will need to step up and take them.
However I would guess our 4 man rotation is Bradley-KCP-Green-Rondo. |
No way KCP should start over Green.
I like Green with LBJ/AD b/c he knows his role. KCP is too much of a gunner. We didn't drop 15m/year for him to be a bench guy.
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| Posted: Fri Oct 04, 2019 9:25 am Post subject: |
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| wolfpaclaker wrote: | Bradley and KCP should start. They are the two most athletic and gifted players at those positions. Danny Green, Rondo should come off the bench as vets.
There will be moments for Caruso, Cook and even Daniels. They will need to step up and take them.
However I would guess our 4 man rotation is Bradley-KCP-Green-Rondo. |
the Lakers didnt pay Green 14mil to come off the bench. And his defense and shooting are clearly better than KCP. And you cant ignore his tendency to do stupid stuff on the court. I'd put Green, Bradley, Caruso, and maybe even Cook on the floor before KCP.
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I think we should use are ridiculous guard depth to our advantage by playing them in shorter high energy bursts... have them go 100% full court press defense and send who ever is defending them on endless laps around the court running through screens and such.... we would tire out opposing team's back-courts who do have the depth to keep up.
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| Pencil Rondo in for that sweet spot of 18 mpg. |
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| audioaxes wrote: | | I think we should use are ridiculous guard depth to our advantage by playing them in shorter high energy bursts... have them go 100% full court press defense and send who ever is defending them on endless laps around the court running through screens and such.... we would tire out opposing team's back-courts who do have the depth to keep up. |
Will they be able to press effectively without help from the forwards and center?
Other than Davis and Kuzma, the rest of the front court players are on the older side and might not be into doing that much running on defense. |
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| epak wrote: | | Pencil Rondo in for that sweet spot of 18 mpg. |
Even at 18mpg, that means Cook/Caruso (let alone Daniels/THT) are getting minimal minutes.
That's problematic.
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | epak wrote: | | Pencil Rondo in for that sweet spot of 18 mpg. |
Even at 18mpg, that means Cook/Caruso (let alone Daniels/THT) are getting minimal minutes.
That's problematic. |
Injuries should take care of that. |
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| epak wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | epak wrote: | | Pencil Rondo in for that sweet spot of 18 mpg. |
Even at 18mpg, that means Cook/Caruso (let alone Daniels/THT) are getting minimal minutes.
That's problematic. |
Injuries should take care of that. |
Are you volunteering to do that on behalf of Rajon "Tonya Harding" Rondo? 
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | epak wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | epak wrote: | | Pencil Rondo in for that sweet spot of 18 mpg. |
Even at 18mpg, that means Cook/Caruso (let alone Daniels/THT) are getting minimal minutes.
That's problematic. |
Injuries should take care of that. |
Are you volunteering to do that on behalf of Rajon "Tonya Harding" Rondo? |
Yikes. 
I wouldnt want injury on anyone.
But I feel like they happen. I'd be pleasantly surprised if AB plays over 65 games this year.
With Kuzma out for a bit, one of those smalls will take some backup SF minutes. And I'm hoping Lebron doesn't have to play over 32 mpg for the regular season. |
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I think carrying about 6 guards is more ideal than 8. I think either via trade or waiver, we will thin that out to address big wing defense.
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McGee-22/Dwight-16/AD-10
AD-24/Kuz-16/LeBron-10
LeBron-24/Kuz-14/KCP-10
Green-28/KCP-12/Caruso-8
Bradley-28/Rondo-12/Caruso-8
That leaves Dudley/Daniels/Cook out of rotation.
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| Given match ups I feel Caruso can fill in at SF. He has length, bulk, strength, athleticism and enough height to be effective in limited minutes. |
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| dcarter4kobe wrote: | McGee-22/Dwight-16/AD-10
AD-24/Kuz-16/LeBron-10
LeBron-24/Kuz-14/KCP-10
Green-28/KCP-12/Caruso-8
Bradley-28/Rondo-12/Caruso-8
That leaves Dudley/Daniels/Cook out of rotation. |
I would hope Green and Bradley play 24 minutes to preserve them for the playoffs. Caruso and Rondo pick up +4 each. |
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