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PostPosted: Fri Oct 04, 2019 11:48 pm    Post subject:

PG.Daniels 24 / Bradley 24
SG.Green 28 / Caruso 20
SF.LeBron 30 / KCP 18
PF.Davis 24 / Kuzma 24
C.Dwight 20 / Mcgee 20 / Davis 8

Rondo and Dudley can sub in during blowouts
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 05, 2019 4:14 am    Post subject:

Bradley Green. Kcp = around 28

Spread the rest depending on scenario
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 05, 2019 8:33 am    Post subject:

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PG.Daniels 24 / Bradley 24
SG.Green 28 / Caruso 20
SF.LeBron 30 / KCP 18
PF.Davis 24 / Kuzma 24
C.Dwight 20 / Mcgee 20 / Davis 8

Rondo and Dudley can sub in during blowouts


Daniels should never be playing more than 10 mpg.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 05, 2019 9:02 am    Post subject:

Cook is going to play because of his shooting. Daniels will be sitting a lot. But still the numbers don’t work. And no, KCP at SF isn’t the answer. He can barely guard the taller SGs.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 05, 2019 6:02 pm    Post subject:

For now looks like it is Bradley, Rondo, Caruso at PG in that order of preference.
Green, KCP, Daniels at 2.

Green can play a little 3, if we want to run 3 guard lineups with a more speed. Especially like the 3 guard lineups with Green at 3, to close games with AD at 5 and LBJ at 4 as an option for a death lineup. Until Kuzma proves himself worthy.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 05, 2019 7:35 pm    Post subject:

Caruso can very well be our best PG already but let Bradley start so he doesnt have to play-make with Lebron+AD in the game.
Caruso comes off bench and helps the 2nd unit. Rondo is not needed.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 05, 2019 8:47 pm    Post subject:

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Caruso can very well be our best PG already but let Bradley start so he doesnt have to play-make with Lebron+AD in the game.
Caruso comes off bench and helps the 2nd unit. Rondo is not needed.

Works for me.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 06, 2019 7:45 am    Post subject:

I agree also. I will admit through I think Rondo looked solid last night and I taught Rondo didn’t have much to offer. I think he hit 2 3s and Vogel said he has improved his outside game drastically. Neitherless Caruso is better and that is the awesome part of it. The Lakers seem to have 3 solid point guards. Haven’t seen Wuinn yet in preseason through
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 06, 2019 8:04 am    Post subject:

Don’t see this Club as being unbalance.

Green KCP Dudley Kuz LBJ can all play SF

Leaving Rondo AB Caruso Daniel in a G Role

I always wonder why we worry about not having SF when we have PF playing C, SF playing PF in today’s NBA. Al long as we have shot blockers in the middle KCP and Green should be fine at SF.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 06, 2019 8:43 am    Post subject:

DLaker wrote:
Don’t see this Club as being unbalance.

Green KCP Dudley Kuz LBJ can all play SF

Leaving Rondo AB Caruso Daniel in a G Role

I always wonder why we worry about not having SF when we have PF playing C, SF playing PF in today’s NBA. Al long as we have shot blockers in the middle KCP and Green should be fine at SF.


Well then we wouldn't have anything to complain about
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 06, 2019 11:00 am    Post subject:

DLaker wrote:
Don’t see this Club as being unbalance.

Green KCP Dudley Kuz LBJ can all play SF

Leaving Rondo AB Caruso Daniel in a G Role

I always wonder why we worry about not having SF when we have PF playing C, SF playing PF in today’s NBA. Al long as we have shot blockers in the middle KCP and Green should be fine at SF.


Green can’t guard the bigger SFs. KCP can’t even guard big guards like Droz. Not ideal IMO. Iggy would be such a godsend.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 06, 2019 12:33 pm    Post subject:

yinoma2001 wrote:
DLaker wrote:
Don’t see this Club as being unbalance.

Green KCP Dudley Kuz LBJ can all play SF

Leaving Rondo AB Caruso Daniel in a G Role

I always wonder why we worry about not having SF when we have PF playing C, SF playing PF in today’s NBA. Al long as we have shot blockers in the middle KCP and Green should be fine at SF.


Green can’t guard the bigger SFs. KCP can’t even guard big guards like Droz. Not ideal IMO. Iggy would be such a godsend.




I disagree, Green is long and smart defender, as long as he knows he has help on the inside he will do just fine.



KCP will also do fine if he can defend a physical harden.

We only need a few minutes at SF LBJ and KUz can play majority of the 48 minutes. Green and KCP will just fill in the needed minutes.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 06, 2019 1:02 pm    Post subject:

DLaker wrote:
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DLaker wrote:
Don’t see this Club as being unbalance.

Green KCP Dudley Kuz LBJ can all play SF

Leaving Rondo AB Caruso Daniel in a G Role

I always wonder why we worry about not having SF when we have PF playing C, SF playing PF in today’s NBA. Al long as we have shot blockers in the middle KCP and Green should be fine at SF.


Green can’t guard the bigger SFs. KCP can’t even guard big guards like Droz. Not ideal IMO. Iggy would be such a godsend.




I disagree, Green is long and smart defender, as long as he knows he has help on the inside he will do just fine.



KCP will also do fine if he can defend a physical harden.

We only need a few minutes at SF LBJ and KUz can play majority of the 48 minutes. Green and KCP will just fill in the needed minutes.


We have a long track record on Green. He isn’t great on physical wings. And KCP routinely gets destroyed by guys like DRoz and Pg13. They can cover in a pinch but not something I would count on long term. We still have too many guards and besides Green all of them are ideally matched up against guards.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 06, 2019 1:06 pm    Post subject:

Just because a player can play a position it doesn’t mean that playing him in that position helps the team. If it is out of desperation, then the team isn’t in a good position.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 06, 2019 1:40 pm    Post subject:

yinoma2001 wrote:
DLaker wrote:
Don’t see this Club as being unbalance.

Green KCP Dudley Kuz LBJ can all play SF

Leaving Rondo AB Caruso Daniel in a G Role

I always wonder why we worry about not having SF when we have PF playing C, SF playing PF in today’s NBA. Al long as we have shot blockers in the middle KCP and Green should be fine at SF.


Green can’t guard the bigger SFs. KCP can’t even guard big guards like Droz. Not ideal IMO. Iggy would be such a godsend.




I disagree, Green is long and smart defender, as long as he knows he has help on the inside he will do just fine.



KCP will also do fine if he can defend a physical harden.

We only need a few minutes at SF LBJ and KUz can play majority of the 48 minutes. Green and KCP will just fill in the needed minutes.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 06, 2019 6:27 pm    Post subject:

Excellent observation OP.

We do have too many guards, and we should trade a few (KCP?).

We also have too many specific skill players. We could use more multi-faceted players and players who can create their own shot.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 13, 2019 6:48 am    Post subject:

I think we have the outlines of what our guard rotation should be.

Originally we had 8 guards vying for 96 guard minutes. Green can play some SF. So 7 guards for 96 minutes. Something had to give.

AB/Green are starters.

But then it should be Rondo (in about 15mpg level, not 30mpg like last year), Caruso.

So really 4 guards playing the 96 minutes.

KCP/Cook/Daniels are inserted only on an as-needed basis.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 13, 2019 7:02 am    Post subject:

yinoma2001 wrote:
I think we have the outlines of what our guard rotation should be.

Originally we had 8 guards vying for 96 guard minutes. Green can play some SF. So 7 guards for 96 minutes. Something had to give.

AB/Green are starters.

But then it should be Rondo (in about 15mpg level, not 30mpg like last year), Caruso.

So really 4 guards playing the 96 minutes.

KCP/Cook/Daniels are inserted only on an as-needed basis.


You left out the backup small forward minutes kcp will play
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 13, 2019 7:03 am    Post subject:

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I think we have the outlines of what our guard rotation should be.

Originally we had 8 guards vying for 96 guard minutes. Green can play some SF. So 7 guards for 96 minutes. Something had to give.

AB/Green are starters.

But then it should be Rondo (in about 15mpg level, not 30mpg like last year), Caruso.

So really 4 guards playing the 96 minutes.

KCP/Cook/Daniels are inserted only on an as-needed basis.


You left out the backup small forward minutes kcp will play


He can barely guard big guards. He is woefully outmatched at SF, but yeah, until we get IGGY or someone else, maybe he plays a few minutes there (though I think Kuz will get the lion's share of both forward backup minutes).
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yinoma2001 wrote:
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I think we have the outlines of what our guard rotation should be.

Originally we had 8 guards vying for 96 guard minutes. Green can play some SF. So 7 guards for 96 minutes. Something had to give.

AB/Green are starters.

But then it should be Rondo (in about 15mpg level, not 30mpg like last year), Caruso.

So really 4 guards playing the 96 minutes.

KCP/Cook/Daniels are inserted only on an as-needed basis.


You left out the backup small forward minutes kcp will play


He can barely guard big guards. He is woefully outmatched at SF, but yeah, until we get IGGY or someone else, maybe he plays a few minutes there (though I think Kuz will get the lion's share of both forward backup minutes).


Not saying I want kcp there.
But we saw the 3 guard lineup last night.
And I don't see it stopping till we get a SF
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 13, 2019 7:18 am    Post subject:

epak wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
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yinoma2001 wrote:
I think we have the outlines of what our guard rotation should be.

Originally we had 8 guards vying for 96 guard minutes. Green can play some SF. So 7 guards for 96 minutes. Something had to give.

AB/Green are starters.

But then it should be Rondo (in about 15mpg level, not 30mpg like last year), Caruso.

So really 4 guards playing the 96 minutes.

KCP/Cook/Daniels are inserted only on an as-needed basis.


You left out the backup small forward minutes kcp will play


He can barely guard big guards. He is woefully outmatched at SF, but yeah, until we get IGGY or someone else, maybe he plays a few minutes there (though I think Kuz will get the lion's share of both forward backup minutes).


Not saying I want kcp there.
But we saw the 3 guard lineup last night.
And I don't see it stopping till we get a SF


Yeah. Though I would prefer Green or even Kuz over KCP. I think Vogel is doing that to give KCP some minutes; otherwise he's sitting as a DNP-CD.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 13, 2019 7:28 am    Post subject:

Looks like we actually needed that guard depth. Rondo was out for a long time, and Cook came in and hit some shots for us, had 2 big games in 2 wins. Daniels had one big game in 1 win. KCP has played some important D for us, but mostly been a liability. However someone has to come in when Green picks up those fouls. Caruso is absolutely a top 8 rotation guy for this team for his D, and intangibles.

As much as it was stated that we did not need 7-8 guards, Vogel has used them all and all have been useful outside of KCP, and even KCP was a defender for us in some important moments.

The only guy I would want to move is KCP, who is not worth the 8M contract he got. If we could move him for a stretch 4, I would do it. Do not know if Klutch and Rob have that kind of trust that they would accept the move, because Klutch also reps AD and Lebron. I am sure KCP would want more minutes at some point and would welcome a situation where he would be able to get them (maybe wishful thinking on my part).

I believe a stretch 4 is far far more needed than Iggy or a 3. We need a guy that can come in and allow Kuzma to play 3 defensively, and someone that can allow Lebron to rest as well as AD. If we had a good stretch 4, then you can have a 2nd unit of Howard, stretch 4, Kuzma, Rondo, Caruso (Cook or Daniels depending on the situation). That is a real deal 2nd unit and one that can give LBJ and AD rest.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 13, 2019 7:32 am    Post subject:

We basically need a 3/4 combo player; someone strong enough to guard the big wings and also small ball "PFs."
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