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Posted: Wed Sep 18, 2019 2:06 pm Post subject: Anthony Davis vs prime Kevin Garnett
Since Davis stomped Dwight pretty overwhelmingly (40-4) in the last poll, let's try this one... _________________ Damian Lillard shatters Dwight Coward's championship dreams:
If KG played in San Antonio his whole career he'd be regarded the same way Duncan is. _________________ "Every hurt is a lesson, and every lesson makes you better”
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Posted: Wed Sep 18, 2019 3:46 pm Post subject:
Just like the Hakeem thread it's hard to judge AD as he just turned 26 this year.. He's barely just entering his prime now.. He absolutely has the potential to be just as good as Garnett (Possibly even better) imo but he still has a lot to prove. Only time will tell now.
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Posted: Wed Sep 18, 2019 5:50 pm Post subject:
kikanga wrote:
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If KG played in San Antonio his whole career he'd be regarded the same way Duncan is.
Why is that? Everyone regards Duncan as top 10 whereas KG is considered anywhere from top 20 to top 30 in most rankings. _________________ Damian Lillard shatters Dwight Coward's championship dreams:
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Posted: Wed Sep 18, 2019 6:08 pm Post subject:
Ugh. THIS one's tough. I like AD, I couldn't stand KG as a Celtic. That said, I have go with prime KG. Tremendous length and athleticism, and a lot of fight in him. Key role in winning a title. We can only hope AD as a Laker can match KG in his prime.
If KG played in San Antonio his whole career he'd be regarded the same way Duncan is.
Why is that? Everyone regards Duncan as top 10 whereas KG is considered anywhere from top 20 to top 30 in most rankings.
so many annoying gimmicks with Duncan....
he swindled everyone to call him "Greatest power foward" in order to deflect from the fact that otherwise he would be a sub-par 7footer, which is really what he is. so because he would never be better than Shaq, he started this whole position gimmick. it wasa controversial at the time too, but everyone has forgotten. one of the benefits was making all star teams when otherwise he might me 2nd to shaq or something like that. there would be centers on the team that played center less than he did. the whole Drob thing....he was just another center, like Drob. just like Hakeem and Sampson were both centers....just like Mcg and Dwight are both centers.
next, KG is way better IMO. More athletic, more fierce, more everything.
The "fundamental" gimmick. what is that, a compliment? you ever seen a guy do great on the court and go up to him and say "man, you are so fundumental!" more like bore-damental.
all that to explain why hes so boring. hes boring because he is not great. great players are fun. there are no boring great players. being great means you are so good, you have style to spare. you cant show style if you can barely play, right? same thing.
theres part of my duncan rant. i wont even bring up that he is only brought up in discussions to diminish Kobe's true greatness. its always to show that ANOTHER guy also won 5 rings, so kobe isnt the best. or maybe duncan is better. nobody standalone would choose DUncan over like the top 10-20 big men in history.
Just like the Hakeem thread it's hard to judge AD as he just turned 26 this year.. He's barely just entering his prime now.. He absolutely has the potential to be just as good as Garnett (Possibly even better) imo but he still has a lot to prove. Only time will tell now.
Talent-wise, they are very comparable
The one difference that KG showed since he played in the NBA is his passion, energy and the aura that he will KILL to win (ala Kobe)
This is comparing KG and AD from their rookie season plus 4-5 season
AD is great, bug KG put the TWolves on his back as far as he could take them.
If KG played in San Antonio his whole career he'd be regarded the same way Duncan is.
Why is that? Everyone regards Duncan as top 10 whereas KG is considered anywhere from top 20 to top 30 in most rankings.
Because Tim was consistently surrounded by all star level talent where as KG was on Minnesota. KG was a much better player and had a much. Enter peak than Tim. Tim is so highly regarded because of his winning. People tend to take away from Pop and teammates when looking at Tim’s success.
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Posted: Wed Sep 18, 2019 7:52 pm Post subject:
kikanga wrote:
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If KG played in San Antonio his whole career he'd be regarded the same way Duncan is.
Agreed. Duncan was great, but his career was certainly enhanced by being in SA's system with Pop leading the way for his whole career. _________________ "Chick lived and breathed Lakers basketball…but he was also fair and objective and called every game the way it was played."
-from Chick: His Unpublished Memoirs and the Memories of Those Who Knew Him
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Posted: Wed Sep 18, 2019 8:18 pm Post subject:
LandsbergerRules wrote:
kikanga wrote:
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If KG played in San Antonio his whole career he'd be regarded the same way Duncan is.
Agreed. Duncan was great, but his career was certainly enhanced by being in SA's system with Pop leading the way for his whole career.
Nice to see other people say this as well.. I always thought the same thing, Duncan is without question an all time great but it kind of amazes me how all these other guys constantly get brought down because of the "help" they had.. IDK of many other greats that had more consistent help then Duncan did. Props to him for staying humble and consistent for so long but there is no way I would ever take a prime Duncan over a prime KG.
Another sport I know but this debate reminds me A LOT of the people that try and say Champ Bailey was better then Deion Sanders because he was so complete and fundamentally sound as a football player. They are two of the greatest but I watched both play and Deion was just at another entire level in his prime (Literally the deciding factors why both the Niners and Cowboys won when he switched teams) but he wasn't "humble" so there's a lot of people that cant stand him for it. Duncan and Champ both get those weird extra points because they were quiet and just fell in line which when things are all said and done shouldn't be a factor imo.
IDK of many other greats that had more consistent help then Duncan did.
Well . . . let's not get carried away. Russell, Magic, and Bird jump to mind, but really most of the greats had pretty consistent help. A major consideration for being a "great" is winning rings, and guys don't win rings with a team of average players.
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Posted: Wed Sep 18, 2019 11:08 pm Post subject:
Aeneas Hunter wrote:
hype wrote:
IDK of many other greats that had more consistent help then Duncan did.
Well . . . let's not get carried away. Russell, Magic, and Bird jump to mind, but really most of the greats had pretty consistent help. A major consideration for being a "great" is winning rings, and guys don't win rings with a team of average players.
Of course but he hardly ever had any of those transition or rebuild years like many other greats had to go through. He was able to just kind of casually go from the first to third option on any given night most of his career. If anything, that's a pretty ideal situation for any player to be in. There were a few other guys as well which is why I said not many others. It's also why he only has one game I believe his entire career over 50 points and around 5-8 I believe 40+. He always had the help and hardly ever had to carry an entire team.
He's still clearly an all time great player without question though, I just personally don't think he's the GOAT pf or anywhere close to top 10 all time which I sometimes see people contemplating putting him in.
I'd argue that if Kobe/Duncan were a pair, they'd have more rings than Shaq/Kobe.
My dude, you need to rewatch prime three-peat Shaq, he was the best player in the league post MJ-pre Kobe
I was there for that. But I'm talking longevity.
Shaq was a greater force than TD in his prime. But TD had a longer trajectory. That's my point. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals
I don't see that happening with Kobe/TD as much long term. I think they surpass 3 rings as a duo. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals
AD is not just better than KG, hes A LOT better. I think some of you all are being overly nostalgic. KG has never put up the numbers that AD has, nor possessed the overall skill set.
When AD's career is over, he will be regarded as the better player.
AD is not just better than KG, hes A LOT better. I think some of you all are being overly nostalgic. KG has never put up the numbers that AD has, nor possessed the overall skill set.
When AD's career is over, he will be regarded as the better player.
I remember obsessing over the Lakers getting KG back in the 2000s. Kobe/KG would have been such a nightmare duo in practice. Imagine how many people would be crying. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals
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Imagine how many people would be crying.
