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PostPosted: Tue Feb 18, 2020 11:35 am    Post subject:

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Man, Kawhi is playing possum. He's going to be a beast in the playoffs again.


No surprise there.


I also think that AD/LBJ will be as well, but people are really sleeping on Kawhi. He's playing with us all with his load management spiel.


which people?


Go ahead and read all the threads and you can see for yourself Jim.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 18, 2020 11:47 am    Post subject:

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Man, Kawhi is playing possum. He's going to be a beast in the playoffs again.


No surprise there.


I also think that AD/LBJ will be as well, but people are really sleeping on Kawhi. He's playing with us all with his load management spiel.


which people?


Go ahead and read all the threads and you can see for yourself Jim.


It's pretty much just Drae, who claims KL is broken down and overrated.

Basically, he's only overrated if you think he's as good as MJ and Kobe. But he's clearly one of the most dangerous postseason players in the current era.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 18, 2020 12:07 pm    Post subject:

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yinoma2001 wrote:
Jesusdelonla wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
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yinoma2001 wrote:
Man, Kawhi is playing possum. He's going to be a beast in the playoffs again.


No surprise there.


I also think that AD/LBJ will be as well, but people are really sleeping on Kawhi. He's playing with us all with his load management spiel.


which people?


Go ahead and read all the threads and you can see for yourself Jim.


It's pretty much just Drae, who claims KL is broken down and overrated.

Basically, he's only overrated if you think he's as good as MJ and Kobe. But he's clearly one of the most dangerous postseason players in the current era.


If you're basing this conclusion off a single post season run with a team that's now doing fine without him against a team that was devastated with injury, then you're going to be in for a surprise. 'One of the most dangerous postseason players'

Kawhi has never played 'possum' in his career. The idea he's just started now for mysterious reasons is ... the polite term would be wishful thinking.

Also people who think he's the same player as he was last year never watched Kawhi last year, it's really that simple. He was also fresh off a years rest which helped with his knee.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 18, 2020 12:13 pm    Post subject:

Raps have a great team for sure; but Kawhi took them over the top. Both can exist (and I don't think the Raps will get to the Finals this year without Kawhi).

But he is still a monster who can get his shots off anywhere he wants. Granted, PG13 is hobbled and not sure ultimately how well that Clips team will coalesce compared to the Raps last year, but he is set up pretty nicely.

I just wish he had given the Lakers consideration. A LBJ/AD/KL is a world destroyer.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 18, 2020 12:15 pm    Post subject:

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Raps have a great team for sure; but Kawhi took them over the top. Both can exist (and I don't think the Raps will get to the Finals this year without Kawhi).

But he is still a monster who can get his shots off anywhere he wants. Granted, PG13 is hobbled and not sure ultimately how well that Clips team will coalesce compared to the Raps last year, but he is set up pretty nicely.

I just wish he had given the Lakers consideration. A LBJ/AD/KL is a world destroyer.


You have it the wrong way around. Raps were a great team at the beginning of last year, it was the trade for Gasol which took them over the top. They never get past the Bucks without him because he was a key part of their defense against Giannis.

Kawhi is still good offensively, not the same guy defensively though.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 18, 2020 1:13 pm    Post subject:

*Looks at Kawhi's FG%*

Still shooting the worst he has in his career I see. Probably has nothing to do with his crippled leg at all, probably just started the season slow. I bet he's hitting his groove now though.

What percentage did he shoot in his last game against the Celtics again? 37%?

Seems legitimately one of the most dangerous players to me
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 18, 2020 1:41 pm    Post subject:

Well for our sake, I'm rooting for Drae being right!

I also think that however great Kawhi has been or will be in future playoffs, you need to dock some points when ranking him with all time players. Because in order for him to be at that level, he can only play 3/4 or 2/3 of a season. What other worldly level in the playoffs would Kobe, MJ or Bron reach, if at 28/29 yrs old and in their prime, they get to rest 20-25 games?
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 18, 2020 1:49 pm    Post subject:

Good point.
These players are more needed by the Clippers especially when Kawhi misses playoff games. jk.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 18, 2020 4:12 pm    Post subject:

LandsbergerRules wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
Jesusdelonla wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
LandsbergerRules wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
Man, Kawhi is playing possum. He's going to be a beast in the playoffs again.


No surprise there.


I also think that AD/LBJ will be as well, but people are really sleeping on Kawhi. He's playing with us all with his load management spiel.


which people?


Go ahead and read all the threads and you can see for yourself Jim.


It's pretty much just Drae, who claims KL is broken down and overrated.

Basically, he's only overrated if you think he's as good as MJ and Kobe. But he's clearly one of the most dangerous postseason players in the current era.


LMFAO one good playoffs since 2014 and guys here are already afraid of KL.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 18, 2020 4:14 pm    Post subject:

Bron is playing possum in the reg season for almost his whole career.

Lebron is still fresh af this season. He will definitely be a beast in the playoffs like he always do.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 18, 2020 4:18 pm    Post subject:

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Man, Kawhi is playing possum. He's going to be a beast in the playoffs again.


He has been rounding into Kawhi form.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 18, 2020 4:25 pm    Post subject:

The one thing that gives me hope is we have the type of team that is built for those stretches of late game playoff basketball (like the end of the Nuggets game) where scoring becomes scarce and the refs actually let guys be physical. Basically we should thrive in those moments when the game slows down and gets ugly, with Lebron dictating the pace.

Lack of playmaking/perimeter ISO scoring outside of Lebron is scary as hell, and so is the heavy workload that's gonna put on him, but if our bigs can help control the game on defense and you don't have sieves like Kuz and Rondo out there for too many minutes - we'll be in every game against every team. AD at his best can still be a game-changer that way (the only guy I see in the league who could potentially bully him is a healthy/motivated Embiid), even if it's not in the way everybody wants to see. We won't win big and it won't be pretty, but we can survive through certain series purely based on combo of size, talent, and physicality.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 18, 2020 5:10 pm    Post subject:

leking006 wrote:
LandsbergerRules wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
Jesusdelonla wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
LandsbergerRules wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
Man, Kawhi is playing possum. He's going to be a beast in the playoffs again.


No surprise there.


I also think that AD/LBJ will be as well, but people are really sleeping on Kawhi. He's playing with us all with his load management spiel.


which people?


Go ahead and read all the threads and you can see for yourself Jim.


It's pretty much just Drae, who claims KL is broken down and overrated.

Basically, he's only overrated if you think he's as good as MJ and Kobe. But he's clearly one of the most dangerous postseason players in the current era.


LMFAO one good playoffs since 2014 and guys here are already afraid of KL.


KD is one of the greatest scorers in the modern game. Curry is one of the greatest 3 point shooters in history. Harden flops better than anyone before him.

Kawhi … benefits from having great teammates and takes all the credit
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 18, 2020 5:39 pm    Post subject:

leking006 wrote:
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It's pretty much just Drae, who claims KL is broken down and overrated.

Basically, he's only overrated if you think he's as good as MJ and Kobe. But he's clearly one of the most dangerous postseason players in the current era.


LMFAO one good playoffs since 2014 and guys here are already afraid of KL.


Dude has been balling for the past two postseasons he's played in. (bleep) that two-faced liar, but he's damn good in the playoffs.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 18, 2020 5:43 pm    Post subject:

How in the world did the Clippers land Reggie Jackson on the buyout market??! He would have been the starting pg on the Lakers.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 18, 2020 5:52 pm    Post subject:

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How in the world did the Clippers land Reggie Jackson on the buyout market??! He would have been the starting pg on the Lakers.


idk but that roster really worries me now. they're deep af and have a lot of fiery dudes that really get after it. cant help but think we will just get bullied by them in a postseason series.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 18, 2020 5:57 pm    Post subject:

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How in the world did the Clippers land Reggie Jackson on the buyout market??! He would have been the starting pg on the Lakers.


Better question, is why didn't the Lakers make that move?

yinoma2001 wrote:
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yinoma2001 wrote:
Man, Kawhi is playing possum. He's going to be a beast in the playoffs again.


No surprise there.


I also think that AD/LBJ will be as well, but people are really sleeping on Kawhi. He's playing with us all with his load management spiel.


tbh this "load management" ain't that much different to what Pop always did.

They just didn't call it "load management"
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 18, 2020 6:23 pm    Post subject:

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How in the world did the Clippers land Reggie Jackson on the buyout market??! He would have been the starting pg on the Lakers.


His agent
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 18, 2020 8:00 pm    Post subject:

Lakers are stupid enough to believe in Rondo.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 18, 2020 8:15 pm    Post subject:

How many guys are on the Clippers roster, 36?
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 19, 2020 12:26 am    Post subject:

Clippers getting guys that didn't solve their weakness just to block the Lakers from getting them will bite them in the ass. Morris and Jackson won't improve their inside defense which is their weakness.

Morris is not really an improvement from Harkless. More Jackson means less Pat Bev which will also add a hole in their defense.

I will be more worried if they have gotten a legit Center with a solid inside D.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 19, 2020 12:51 am    Post subject:

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Better question, is why didn't the Lakers make that move

I tend to think he would never have come here due to the Mintz/PG factor, despite the fact we could have offered him more money/playing time

It might not move the needle that much at all, but we need to go out and make an improvement on Daniels now, we need to improve ourselves in one way or another
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 19, 2020 1:02 am    Post subject:

venturalakersfan wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
Man, Kawhi is playing possum. He's going to be a beast in the playoffs again.


He has been rounding into Kawhi form.


Yeah, he’s going to be a very tough opponent. It did look like he was having a tough time getting through a long playoff run last year though. Much better to see him WCF than sooner.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 19, 2020 4:15 am    Post subject:

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Clippers getting guys that didn't solve their weakness just to block the Lakers from getting them will bite them in the ass. Morris and Jackson won't improve their inside defense which is their weakness.

Morris is not really an improvement from Harkless. More Jackson means less Pat Bev which will also add a hole in their defense.

I will be more worried if they have gotten a legit Center with a solid inside D.


This. The players they're picking up aren't suited for the roles they're being asked to play. They would've been better off with a player like Covington instead of Morris. Jackson serves no purpose unless every guard ahead of him is out. These are not the kind of players that are easy to integrate midseason or understand how to take a backseat and still impact the game. Very unnatural fit for both.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 19, 2020 5:10 am    Post subject:

For years, no centuries it seems... The Clippers have been stealing players from the Lakers, rather it be through Free Agency or Buy Out, whatever. In all honesty, this is why the Clippers should move out of LA. Albeit, they'll be moving to a better Arena in a better location in the same city basically, for the NBA to allow to franchises in the LA area has always been a huge mistake!

Either way, Reggie Jackson is another example of how the Lakers have always been snubbed by the Clippers even though we have more championships.

Things are looking somewhat distant for us right now and with no guarantee that AD will be back in the P&G next year, I'm beginning to have some doubts.

Our best bet from this point forward would possibly be the following:

Buyout Candidates:
Mo Harkless - Solid Wing Defender/Motor/Can get good minutes
Evan Turner - Solid Wing Defender/Create own shot/veteran could get minutes
Trey Burke - Young Point Guard/Create own shot/Plays with Heart
Dion Waters - Strong Shooting Guard/No Defense/Tough/Physical/Dawg/Possible Chemistry issues with team

Free Agent Options:
JR Smith - 3D Player/Create Own Shot/Possible Chemistry Issues with team

Players for Lakers to waive:
Jared Dudley
Quinn Cook
Troy Daniels

The funny thing about the Lakers potentially waiving any players is that the Clippers might pick them up...

If we want to secure AD for a huge part of the rest of his career, its Championship or Bust. Even if we simply make it to the finals, we have a chance at resigning him. IMO, making it should allow AD to recruit another star to pair with him for next season to win it all!
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