Joined: 15 Sep 2012 Posts: 29353 Location: La La Land
Posted: Sat Sep 19, 2020 12:34 pm Post subject:
Dr. Laker wrote:
I'd LOVE for the Clippers to replace Doc with MDA!!!
One of the few coaches more overrated than Doc. Fans love how much "fun" his teams are to watch. But he's won diddly squat in the postseason his whole career. _________________ "Every hurt is a lesson, and every lesson makes you better”
I'd LOVE for the Clippers to replace Doc with MDA!!!
One of the few coaches more overrated than Doc. Fans love how much "fun" his teams are to watch. But he's won diddly squat in the postseason his whole career.
Zero chance Ballmer fires Doc for MDA. Players know Mike is a one trick pony and the media LOVES Doc so they'd rip Ballmer for signing off on that.
IMO, the Clippers come back very similar next season to what they were this year.
The Clips are low on assets but I just don't think they will stand pat. Especially knowing they have holes to fill, and obviously chemistry issues as mentioned by all their players and coach lol.
Joined: 25 Apr 2015 Posts: 31925 Location: Anaheim, CA
Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2020 1:18 am Post subject:
Kobetan wrote:
The Clips are low on assets but I just don't think they will stand pat. Especially knowing they have holes to fill, and obviously chemistry issues as mentioned by all their players and coach lol.
Yes I don't think they stand pat either. At least one of Harrell or Lou will be gone and quite possibly both. I wonder if they could even consider jettisoning Beverley if Kawhi is tired of his act. I think they are probably pot-committed to paying Marcus Morris after giving up what they did to get him, so he may cost them the full MLE for 3 seasons.
Joined: 19 Nov 2007 Posts: 4377 Location: Lake Nacimiento
Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2020 2:12 am Post subject:
ChickenStu wrote:
Kobetan wrote:
The Clips are low on assets but I just don't think they will stand pat. Especially knowing they have holes to fill, and obviously chemistry issues as mentioned by all their players and coach lol.
Yes I don't think they stand pat either. At least one of Harrell or Lou will be gone and quite possibly both. I wonder if they could even consider jettisoning Beverley if Kawhi is tired of his act. I think they are probably pot-committed to paying Marcus Morris after giving up what they did to get him, so he may cost them the full MLE for 3 seasons.
Yeah, i'd be shocked if they stood pat completely. They are extremely low on trade resources and many players i'm sure they'd happily trade simply don't have too much value and the entire rosters value will also probably be at an all time low on top of teams being a bit more cheap this off season.
There's a chance Harrell leaves the Clippers without them getting anything back as well since i'm pretty positive he's unrestricted right? IDK where he currently stands with the team but he has clearly not been the biggest supporter at times throughout this season.
They aren't going to be able to trade Lou for much at all considering his age, monumental liability on defense and he's getting well up there in age.
Are there many teams that are going to offer much to make the Clippers better for an aging Beverly and his large contract?
I'd absolutely love to see them start the off season by giving Marcus the full MLE. That's pretty much best case scenario for the other contending West teams imo as well.
It will be very interesting though for sure to see what kind of at least small shake up they do.
The Clips are low on assets but I just don't think they will stand pat. Especially knowing they have holes to fill, and obviously chemistry issues as mentioned by all their players and coach lol.
Yes I don't think they stand pat either. At least one of Harrell or Lou will be gone and quite possibly both. I wonder if they could even consider jettisoning Beverley if Kawhi is tired of his act. I think they are probably pot-committed to paying Marcus Morris after giving up what they did to get him, so he may cost them the full MLE for 3 seasons.
Yeah, i'd be shocked if they stood pat completely. They are extremely low on trade resources and many players i'm sure they'd happily trade simply don't have too much value and the entire rosters value will also probably be at an all time low on top of teams being a bit more cheap this off season.
There's a chance Harrell leaves the Clippers without them getting anything back as well since i'm pretty positive he's unrestricted right? IDK where he currently stands with the team but he has clearly not been the biggest supporter at times throughout this season.
They aren't going to be able to trade Lou for much at all considering his age, monumental liability on defense and he's getting well up there in age.
Are there many teams that are going to offer much to make the Clippers better for an aging Beverly and his large contract?
I'd absolutely love to see them start the off season by giving Marcus the full MLE. That's pretty much best case scenario for the other contending West teams imo as well.
It will be very interesting though for sure to see what kind of at least small shake up they do.
They can offer him more than the MLE right? So no need to use the MLE on Morris.
The Clips are low on assets but I just don't think they will stand pat. Especially knowing they have holes to fill, and obviously chemistry issues as mentioned by all their players and coach lol.
Yes I don't think they stand pat either. At least one of Harrell or Lou will be gone and quite possibly both. I wonder if they could even consider jettisoning Beverley if Kawhi is tired of his act. I think they are probably pot-committed to paying Marcus Morris after giving up what they did to get him, so he may cost them the full MLE for 3 seasons.
Yeah, i'd be shocked if they stood pat completely. They are extremely low on trade resources and many players i'm sure they'd happily trade simply don't have too much value and the entire rosters value will also probably be at an all time low on top of teams being a bit more cheap this off season.
There's a chance Harrell leaves the Clippers without them getting anything back as well since i'm pretty positive he's unrestricted right? IDK where he currently stands with the team but he has clearly not been the biggest supporter at times throughout this season.
They aren't going to be able to trade Lou for much at all considering his age, monumental liability on defense and he's getting well up there in age.
Are there many teams that are going to offer much to make the Clippers better for an aging Beverly and his large contract?
I'd absolutely love to see them start the off season by giving Marcus the full MLE. That's pretty much best case scenario for the other contending West teams imo as well.
It will be very interesting though for sure to see what kind of at least small shake up they do.
They can offer him more than the MLE right? So no need to use the MLE on Morris.
I think Harrell is gone especially if he has some friction with Wayoff P, and quite a few teams will be interested in his services I'm sure. With Jerry West still with them we can never know what magic he's gonna perform next. Not sure if the ship has sailed, who knows Darren Collison may even return to join the Clips with them needing a playmaker also.
The Clips are low on assets but I just don't think they will stand pat. Especially knowing they have holes to fill, and obviously chemistry issues as mentioned by all their players and coach lol.
Yes I don't think they stand pat either. At least one of Harrell or Lou will be gone and quite possibly both. I wonder if they could even consider jettisoning Beverley if Kawhi is tired of his act. I think they are probably pot-committed to paying Marcus Morris after giving up what they did to get him, so he may cost them the full MLE for 3 seasons.
Yeah, i'd be shocked if they stood pat completely. They are extremely low on trade resources and many players i'm sure they'd happily trade simply don't have too much value and the entire rosters value will also probably be at an all time low on top of teams being a bit more cheap this off season.
There's a chance Harrell leaves the Clippers without them getting anything back as well since i'm pretty positive he's unrestricted right? IDK where he currently stands with the team but he has clearly not been the biggest supporter at times throughout this season.
They aren't going to be able to trade Lou for much at all considering his age, monumental liability on defense and he's getting well up there in age.
Are there many teams that are going to offer much to make the Clippers better for an aging Beverly and his large contract?
I'd absolutely love to see them start the off season by giving Marcus the full MLE. That's pretty much best case scenario for the other contending West teams imo as well.
It will be very interesting though for sure to see what kind of at least small shake up they do.
They can offer him more than the MLE right? So no need to use the MLE on Morris.
I think Harrell is gone especially if he has some friction with Wayoff P, and quite a few teams will be interested in his services I'm sure. With Jerry West still with them we can never know what magic he's gonna perform next. Not sure if the ship has sailed, who knows Darren Collison may even return to join the Clips with them needing a playmaker also.
GS can sign Harrell then flip combo 2/3 Draymond/Wiggins/pick for Beal or Booker, damn
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Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2020 6:07 am Post subject:
I remember watching the commentary for the movie The Great Escape and James Garner talked about how Steve McQueen was difficult to work with at times. Most of the British actors were used to working together in more of a collaborative effort, and they were not used to working with difficult, "Hollywood" stars. McQueen had finished Cool Hand Luke the year before, and wasn't excited about doing another "prison" movie.
James Garner said that McQueen "wanted to be the hero, but didn't want to do anything especially heroic." The compromise was creating the scene where McQueen escapes to gather local intelligence, allows himself to be recaptured, to give the escape team the intel they need for their mass breakout from the German POW camp.
I think KL is like McQueen in this example. He wants to be the hero, he wants to be seen as a star, but he doesn't want to do the extra things like leadership, being a spokesman, or bringing his team together. He wants his load management time off, and he is used to the other teams, the Raptors and the Spurs, where other guys carried their share of the load, with no expectations for KL off the court.
It's a version of what we see on other teams, especially one's that don't make the playoffs or are just first round cannon fodder. The star wants the accolades, gets his shots and points, his team loses more than they win, just as long as the star gets his money, his celebrity, but doesn't get his team better or improve his own game. _________________ LAKERS 2019-2020: NBA World Champions!
I remember watching the commentary for the movie The Great Escape and James Garner talked about how Steve McQueen was difficult to work with at times. Most of the British actors were used to working together in more of a collaborative effort, and they were not used to working with difficult, "Hollywood" stars. McQueen had finished Cool Hand Luke the year before, and wasn't excited about doing another "prison" movie.
James Garner said that McQueen "wanted to be the hero, but didn't want to do anything especially heroic." The compromise was creating the scene where McQueen escapes to gather local intelligence, allows himself to be recaptured, to give the escape team the intel they need for their mass breakout from the German POW camp.
I think KL is like McQueen in this example. He wants to be the hero, he wants to be seen as a star, but he doesn't want to do the extra things like leadership, being a spokesman, or bringing his team together. He wants his load management time off, and he is used to the other teams, the Raptors and the Spurs, where other guys carried their share of the load, with no expectations for KL off the court.
It's a version of what we see on other teams, especially one's that don't make the playoffs or are just first round cannon fodder. The star wants the accolades, gets his shots and points, his team loses more than they win, just as long as the star gets his money, his celebrity, but doesn't get his team better or improve his own game.
McQueen wasn't in Cool Hand Luke - that was Paul Newman
Before The Great Escape, McQueen wasn't really in any jail or prison movies.
He was most well known as the star of the tv Western "Wanted Dead or Alive" (which was a pretty big hit for 3-4 years)
He was also well known for the movie The Blob - and he was one of the guys in The Magnificent Seven also
McQueen's career really took off after The Great Escape
edited to add: The Great Escape was released in 1963 - 4 years before Cool Hand Luke was released in 1967. _________________ LBJ + AD = More rings
Never argue with a fool - listeners can't tell you apart
Wilt's unstoppable fadeaway: www.youtube.com/watch?v=8O9MgNfcGJA
NPZ's Magic Johnson mix: www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8Qbo0WqvOI
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Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2020 6:29 pm Post subject:
There's quite a gap between AD and PG, that's for sure. _________________ "Chick lived and breathed Lakers basketball…but he was also fair and objective and called every game the way it was played."
-from Chick: His Unpublished Memoirs and the Memories of Those Who Knew Him
I remember watching the commentary for the movie The Great Escape and James Garner talked about how Steve McQueen was difficult to work with at times. Most of the British actors were used to working together in more of a collaborative effort, and they were not used to working with difficult, "Hollywood" stars. McQueen had finished Cool Hand Luke the year before, and wasn't excited about doing another "prison" movie.
James Garner said that McQueen "wanted to be the hero, but didn't want to do anything especially heroic." The compromise was creating the scene where McQueen escapes to gather local intelligence, allows himself to be recaptured, to give the escape team the intel they need for their mass breakout from the German POW camp.
I think KL is like McQueen in this example. He wants to be the hero, he wants to be seen as a star, but he doesn't want to do the extra things like leadership, being a spokesman, or bringing his team together. He wants his load management time off, and he is used to the other teams, the Raptors and the Spurs, where other guys carried their share of the load, with no expectations for KL off the court.
It's a version of what we see on other teams, especially one's that don't make the playoffs or are just first round cannon fodder. The star wants the accolades, gets his shots and points, his team loses more than they win, just as long as the star gets his money, his celebrity, but doesn't get his team better or improve his own game.
KL being compared to Steve McQueen, wow. Then I would compare PG to John Cazale's Fredo during the assassination attempt on his father. _________________ “Properly read, the bible is the most potent force for atheism ever conceived.”
― Isaac Asimov
McQueen had finished Cool Hand Luke the year before
was he an extra?
No.
Whatever the OP or James Garner may have said, there's a couple of huge problems with that whole story
Chief among them is that The Great Escape was released in 1963, and Cool Hand Luke was released in 1967.
From the original post "commentary for the movie The Great Escape and James Garner talked about how Steve McQueen was difficult to work with at times. Most of the British actors were used to working together in more of a collaborative effort, and they were not used to working with difficult, "Hollywood" stars. McQueen had finished Cool Hand Luke the year before, and wasn't excited about doing another "prison" movie."
Hard to see how McQueen could have finished Cool Hand Luke (released 1967) when The Great Escape was released in 1963. Not to mention that McQueen wasn't even in Cool Hand Luke
James Garner and McQueen reportedly had some beef - so it's entirely possible Garner was just making sh*t up. _________________ LBJ + AD = More rings
Never argue with a fool - listeners can't tell you apart
Wilt's unstoppable fadeaway: www.youtube.com/watch?v=8O9MgNfcGJA
NPZ's Magic Johnson mix: www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8Qbo0WqvOI
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