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PostPosted: Tue Oct 01, 2019 9:04 pm    Post subject: Who did the Lakers miss out on due to waiting on Kawhi?

Let’s pretend Kawhi publicly stated he didn’t want to play on the Lakers. Which players do you think Pelinka would have signed instead? Specifically guys who signed contracts with other teams while we were waiting for Kawhi.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 01, 2019 9:06 pm    Post subject:

who do YOU think they missed out on?
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 01, 2019 9:18 pm    Post subject: Re: Who did the Lakers miss out on due to waiting on Kawhi?

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Let’s pretend Kawhi publicly stated he didn’t want to play on the Lakers. Which players do you think Pelinka would have signed instead? Specifically guys who signed contracts with other teams while we were waiting for Kawhi.



This topic was already beaten into the ground by the end of July.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 01, 2019 9:19 pm    Post subject:

Butler and DLo were options.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 01, 2019 9:35 pm    Post subject:

D'Angelo Russell and Jeremy Lamb.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 01, 2019 9:46 pm    Post subject:

Dewayne Dedmon

now matter good as Dwight and Mcgee can possibly be they will remain paint cloggers when Lebron or AD are trying to take the ball to the hole.
Having a stretch 5 like Dedmon would make our starting units flow so much better. Plus Dedmon is a very underrated rim protector and rim runner.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 02, 2019 1:01 am    Post subject:

I had no problem bringing DLo back, but he was maxed out by the Nets (more than we could offer) and got a S&T to Golden State. I don't think we could beat that.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 02, 2019 2:51 am    Post subject:

Almost all FAs got overpaid. This is 2016 all over again. Maybe Seth Curry got reasonable money. Just look at that list and try to build a roster next to Lebron, AD and Kuzma.

Nikola Vucevic $28,000,000
Harrison Barnes $24,147,727
Malcolm Brogdon $20,000,000
Bojan Bogdanovic $17,000,000
Julius Randle $18,000,000
Terry Rozier $19,894,737
Terrence Ross $12,500,000
Brook Lopez $12,093,024
Ricky Rubio $16,200,000
Jonas Valanciunas $16,000,000
Thaddeus Young $12,900,000
Dewayne Dedmon $13,333,334
Patrick Beverley $12,345,680
DeAndre Jordan $9,881,598
Cory Joseph $12,000,000
Seth Curry $7,461,380
Rudy Gay $14,500,000
Jeremy Lamb $10,500,000
Kelly Oubre Jr. $15,625,000
Al-Farouq Aminu $9,258,000
George Hill $9,133,907
Delon Wright $9,473,684
J.J. Redick $13,486,300
Tyus Jones $9,258,000
Trevor Ariza $12,200,000
Thomas Bryant $8,000,000
Ivica Zubac $6,481,482
DeMarre Carroll $7,000,000
Nene Hilario $10,000,000
Taj Gibson $9,756,098
Wayne Ellington $8,000,000
Elfrid Payton $8,000,000
Marcus Morris $15,000,000
Kevon Looney $4,629,630
Bobby Portis $15,000,000
Derrick Rose $7,317,073
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 02, 2019 4:01 am    Post subject:

Kemba, Kyrie, D'Angelo Russell, Butler.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 02, 2019 4:46 am    Post subject:

Palin wrote:
Almost all FAs got overpaid. This is 2016 all over again. Maybe Seth Curry got reasonable money. Just look at that list and try to build a roster next to Lebron, AD and Kuzma.

Nikola Vucevic $28,000,000
Harrison Barnes $24,147,727
Malcolm Brogdon $20,000,000
Bojan Bogdanovic $17,000,000
Julius Randle $18,000,000
Terry Rozier $19,894,737
Terrence Ross $12,500,000
Brook Lopez $12,093,024
Ricky Rubio $16,200,000
Jonas Valanciunas $16,000,000
Thaddeus Young $12,900,000
Dewayne Dedmon $13,333,334
Patrick Beverley $12,345,680
DeAndre Jordan $9,881,598
Cory Joseph $12,000,000
Seth Curry $7,461,380
Rudy Gay $14,500,000
Jeremy Lamb $10,500,000
Kelly Oubre Jr. $15,625,000
Al-Farouq Aminu $9,258,000
George Hill $9,133,907
Delon Wright $9,473,684
J.J. Redick $13,486,300
Tyus Jones $9,258,000
Trevor Ariza $12,200,000
Thomas Bryant $8,000,000
Ivica Zubac $6,481,482
DeMarre Carroll $7,000,000
Nene Hilario $10,000,000
Taj Gibson $9,756,098
Wayne Ellington $8,000,000
Elfrid Payton $8,000,000
Marcus Morris $15,000,000
Kevon Looney $4,629,630
Bobby Portis $15,000,000
Derrick Rose $7,317,073

*looks at this list*

*looks at KCP's salary*


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 02, 2019 4:52 am    Post subject:

Baron Von Humongous wrote:
Palin wrote:
Almost all FAs got overpaid. This is 2016 all over again. Maybe Seth Curry got reasonable money. Just look at that list and try to build a roster next to Lebron, AD and Kuzma.

Nikola Vucevic $28,000,000
Harrison Barnes $24,147,727
Malcolm Brogdon $20,000,000
Bojan Bogdanovic $17,000,000
Julius Randle $18,000,000
Terry Rozier $19,894,737
Terrence Ross $12,500,000
Brook Lopez $12,093,024
Ricky Rubio $16,200,000
Jonas Valanciunas $16,000,000
Thaddeus Young $12,900,000
Dewayne Dedmon $13,333,334
Patrick Beverley $12,345,680
DeAndre Jordan $9,881,598
Cory Joseph $12,000,000
Seth Curry $7,461,380
Rudy Gay $14,500,000
Jeremy Lamb $10,500,000
Kelly Oubre Jr. $15,625,000
Al-Farouq Aminu $9,258,000
George Hill $9,133,907
Delon Wright $9,473,684
J.J. Redick $13,486,300
Tyus Jones $9,258,000
Trevor Ariza $12,200,000
Thomas Bryant $8,000,000
Ivica Zubac $6,481,482
DeMarre Carroll $7,000,000
Nene Hilario $10,000,000
Taj Gibson $9,756,098
Wayne Ellington $8,000,000
Elfrid Payton $8,000,000
Marcus Morris $15,000,000
Kevon Looney $4,629,630
Bobby Portis $15,000,000
Derrick Rose $7,317,073

*looks at this list*

*looks at KCP's salary*



For the price of Danny Green and KCP, we could have had a max player...
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 02, 2019 5:00 am    Post subject:

Ship sailed meets dead horse.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 02, 2019 5:08 am    Post subject:

CandyCanes wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
Palin wrote:
Almost all FAs got overpaid. This is 2016 all over again. Maybe Seth Curry got reasonable money. Just look at that list and try to build a roster next to Lebron, AD and Kuzma.

Nikola Vucevic $28,000,000
Harrison Barnes $24,147,727
Malcolm Brogdon $20,000,000
Bojan Bogdanovic $17,000,000
Julius Randle $18,000,000
Terry Rozier $19,894,737
Terrence Ross $12,500,000
Brook Lopez $12,093,024
Ricky Rubio $16,200,000
Jonas Valanciunas $16,000,000
Thaddeus Young $12,900,000
Dewayne Dedmon $13,333,334
Patrick Beverley $12,345,680
DeAndre Jordan $9,881,598
Cory Joseph $12,000,000
Seth Curry $7,461,380
Rudy Gay $14,500,000
Jeremy Lamb $10,500,000
Kelly Oubre Jr. $15,625,000
Al-Farouq Aminu $9,258,000
George Hill $9,133,907
Delon Wright $9,473,684
J.J. Redick $13,486,300
Tyus Jones $9,258,000
Trevor Ariza $12,200,000
Thomas Bryant $8,000,000
Ivica Zubac $6,481,482
DeMarre Carroll $7,000,000
Nene Hilario $10,000,000
Taj Gibson $9,756,098
Wayne Ellington $8,000,000
Elfrid Payton $8,000,000
Marcus Morris $15,000,000
Kevon Looney $4,629,630
Bobby Portis $15,000,000
Derrick Rose $7,317,073

*looks at this list*

*looks at KCP's salary*



For the price of Danny Green and KCP, we could have had a max player...

I still wonder if faced with the choice of money in Dallas or the chance to play with Lebron, AD, and say...DLo...if Green wouldn't have taken a (significant) paycut and still ended up in P&G.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 02, 2019 5:14 am    Post subject:

RI Laker wrote:
Ship sailed meets dead horse.

Were you the poster who would incessantly re-litigate Kupchak's entire résumé, undervaluing his role in the Gasol trade while blaming him for the blocked CP3 trade, or was that a different poster?

If it was you, it's funny how past transactions are a topic worthy of discussion only when you deem them to be. If it wasn't you, please enjoy your kvetching about others' kvetching.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 02, 2019 5:16 am    Post subject:

Most likely Butler and DLO.

But could have also spread that money around 2-3 quality players who weren't all-star level players too.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 02, 2019 5:25 am    Post subject:

yinoma2001 wrote:
Most likely Butler and DLO.

But could have also spread that money around 2-3 quality players who weren't all-star level players too.

It's funny looking at that list how Lopez, T. Bryant, Zu, and Julius comprised the Lakers C rotation in 2017 and then...
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 02, 2019 5:36 am    Post subject:

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Dewayne Dedmon

now matter good as Dwight and Mcgee can possibly be they will remain paint cloggers when Lebron or AD are trying to take the ball to the hole.
Having a stretch 5 like Dedmon would make our starting units flow so much better. Plus Dedmon is a very underrated rim protector and rim runner.

AD is a better shooter than Dedmon, and can play 5 if it is what we need.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 02, 2019 5:41 am    Post subject:

CandyCanes wrote:
Kemba, Kyrie, D'Angelo Russell, Butler.

We wanted Kyrie, he did not want to reunite with LBJ
Kemba was interested in Boston.

DLO and Butler were realistic if we were willing to overpay and give 4 year max deals. Seems the Lakers wanted to either sign Kawhi who is a top 3 player, to go with 2 other top 5 players, or they wanted to wait until 2021 when they will have another crack at a top 3 player in the game, in Giannis.

I like that they are going for the best free agent available and that is the best player in the league. There are real debates about Kawhi vs Giannis vs Lebron. We have the best big in basketball.

I have no issues with the Lakers going for great players. The best of their generation, at their position or role. It is how you get out of mediocrity. We were not in position like the Warriors, who already have a proven winning core like Curry-Klay-Dray. That trio has won without any other star. Then you add DLO, it makes sense. You did not lose Durant for nothing. Smart move.

For us I am sure if Lebron and AD this year, if we are showing we are right there, then I think Rob will be willing to make a move that puts us over the hill if that is what is needed at the time, even if it means eating into 2021 space. However lets first see what AD and Lebron can do. Are we just a playoff team or are we legit championship contenders. We will know by January and Rob can pull a trade at that point if it is available.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 02, 2019 6:02 am    Post subject:

Baron Von Humongous wrote:
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Ship sailed meets dead horse.

Were you the poster who would incessantly re-litigate Kupchak's entire résumé, undervaluing his role in the Gasol trade while blaming him for the blocked CP3 trade, or was that a different poster?

If it was you, it's funny how past transactions are a topic worthy of discussion only when you deem them to be. If it wasn't you, please enjoy your kvetching about others' kvetching.


Sorry fella, you have the ostentatious poster. I was the guy who has a strong abhorrence for Stern for reprobating the trade (which lead to the consummation of our mini run). I am electrified about this upcoming season and just not a devotee of rehashing quondam events. We should all subsist in the present juncture and be exhilarated since we are at the genesis of what could be an epic season. Sorry about my post (didn't mean anything defamatory). I will bounce from this. Carry on.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 02, 2019 6:09 am    Post subject:

Baron Von Humongous wrote:
CandyCanes wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
Palin wrote:
. . .

*looks at this list*

*looks at KCP's salary*



For the price of Danny Green and KCP, we could have had a max player...

I still wonder if faced with the choice of money in Dallas or the chance to play with Lebron, AD, and say...DLo...if Green wouldn't have taken a (significant) paycut and still ended up in P&G.


Danny Green had 2 rings already. He was looking for money. Mind you, if a ring comes with the money, all the better.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 02, 2019 6:52 am    Post subject:

For me, because we waited for Kawhi, we ended up with KCP and Rondo and Dudley. could have used that money on reddick, seth curry and others to improve our shooting.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 02, 2019 6:59 am    Post subject:

cganesh75 wrote:
For me, because we waited for Kawhi, we ended up with KCP and Rondo and Dudley. could have used that money on reddick, seth curry and others to improve our shooting.

That is looking at it one way.
The other way to look at it is that we were looking for TWO WAY talent.
Reddick Seth. Great shooters. However they have never started on a ring team.

Danny Green has. On two different championship teams. Why - because he plays two way basketball.

We have a number of two way players on this team. That is the thing that one can not overlook. To win a title, we can not just put out the best 3 point shooters and shooters and then hope the defense magically works.

I do not think we will be the best defensive team in the league in the regular season. We may not even be the 5th or 7th best rating. Probably in the 10 range because we are an older team. But come playoffs. In a playoff setting. I trust a team that has the following defensive talent.

Dwight, Anthony Davis as bigs who help and play D in and out
Lebron, Dudley as iso defenders on big forwards or elite big wings
Green, Bradley, KCP as on the ball guards

Think this team has the most potential of any team in the league to be a two-way group, even more than the Clippers, because while the Clippers are dominant potentially on D at the perimeter, we have the the ability to be dominant defensively inside and also very good on the perimeter. We can board and own the glass with our group, something that I think the Clippers will have issues with. We can be flat out dominant on D in a playoff series if we want to be, with the group we have. It is all about whether this group wants it that bad and if they listen to Vogel, because Vogel knows defense.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 02, 2019 7:19 am    Post subject: Re: Who did the Lakers miss out on due to waiting on Kawhi?

activeverb wrote:
george w kush wrote:
Let’s pretend Kawhi publicly stated he didn’t want to play on the Lakers. Which players do you think Pelinka would have signed instead? Specifically guys who signed contracts with other teams while we were waiting for Kawhi.



This topic was already beaten into the ground by the end of July.


There are still some identifiable bones on the dead horse, so we can't stop until there's nothing left.

And even then, a few folks here will break out the microscopes and go after the remaining particles.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 02, 2019 8:20 am    Post subject:

DLo was signed and traded so Brooklyn could save cap space. He was never in play for us.

The only one I really wanted that we missed out on was Seth Curry. We wouldn't have needed Troy Daniels and Quinn Cook if we got him. And then could've gone out and got RHJ, who was actually still in play even after Kawhi signed.

Seth and RHJ would've rounded out the roster nicely.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 02, 2019 8:26 am    Post subject:

So pretty much no one of importance?
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