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levon
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| I'll take Brogdon for 20 million, please |
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pio2u
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| Posted: Wed Oct 02, 2019 4:56 pm Post subject: |
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| levon wrote: | | I'll take Brogdon for 20 million, please |
Brogdon got $85mil for 4 years!  |
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Robster8989
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| kikanga wrote: | | Quote: | Complex Sports @ComplexSports
Jimmy Butler showed up to the Heat’s first practice six hours & 30 minutes early.
Practice started at 10AM, Jimmy showed up at 3:30AM to workout.
😳 (Per @MiamiHerald) |
Really wish we had him. We'd be the clear cut championship favorite with him.
Bucher said he was willing to take less than the max to play for us. |
Totally agree.
Dude is a competitor, on both sides of the ball.
I would have signed Butler, WCS and Bradley with the room.
PG-Bradley
SG- Jimmy
SF- LBJ
PF- AD
C-WCS
Great defensive team, and I would have staggered JB's and LBJ's minutes and let Jimmy run the 2nd unit with Kuz and 3 guys who could shoot.
Closing unit Bradley/Jimmy/LBJ/Kuz/AD.
WCS in and Kuz out in situational O/D switches.
Would have been tough to beat.
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| Posted: Wed Oct 02, 2019 6:23 pm Post subject: |
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| epak wrote: | | So pretty much no one of importance? |
I guess if you consider a max all star no one of importance
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| Posted: Wed Oct 02, 2019 6:24 pm Post subject: |
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| pio2u wrote: | | levon wrote: | | I'll take Brogdon for 20 million, please |
Brogdon got $85mil for 4 years! |
Good deal for him and the team
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storm1324
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Think Malcolm Brogdan would have been a great fit for the Lakers solid defender, very efficient 50/40/90 % shooter.
Good size 6'5 can play both guard spots |
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pjiddy
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First of all, it's WHOM did we miss out on.
Second, some very impressive gymnastics going on here to argue KCP/Green was the best possible Plan B. |
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pio2u
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| Posted: Thu Oct 03, 2019 4:13 am Post subject: |
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | pio2u wrote: | | levon wrote: | | I'll take Brogdon for 20 million, please |
Brogdon got $85mil for 4 years! |
Good deal for him and the team |
mos def |
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yinoma2001
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| Posted: Thu Oct 03, 2019 5:36 am Post subject: |
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| storm1324 wrote: | Think Malcolm Brogdan would have been a great fit for the Lakers solid defender, very efficient 50/40/90 % shooter.
Good size 6'5 can play both guard spots |
Only issues with him is health. He was red flagged a bit during the draft and has missed a lot of games. (34 games missed 2 years ago, 18 missed last season).
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audioaxes
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| Posted: Thu Oct 03, 2019 8:10 am Post subject: |
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| pio2u wrote: | | levon wrote: | | I'll take Brogdon for 20 million, please |
Brogdon got $85mil for 4 years! |
50-40-90 point guards with strong defense is a rare catch and Im sure the Lakers could have got a discount for letting him go to a much more desirable city and team. You could squeeze him in with a starting salary of 18mil and still have room to squeeze in Green plus exception for Bradley or Mcgee. And then we still keep our squad of vet min chasers.
Another option was Bojan who is an underrated defender and would provide a much desired legit 3rd option for the team to help keep rotations afloat whenever Lebron and AD are not in the game.
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| Posted: Thu Oct 03, 2019 9:24 pm Post subject: |
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | epak wrote: | | So pretty much no one of importance? |
I guess if you consider a max all star no one of importance |
If he's so important, say his name. |
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LakerMindLA
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| Ziggy wrote: | | Laker's Fan wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | Most likely Butler and DLO.
But could have also spread that money around 2-3 quality players who weren't all-star level players too. |
Butler seems like he could have been an option. But Brooklyn actually never renounced Russell's restricted rights. Given Russell was getting the max to go to a good franchise, BRK was getting a pick, and GSW was getting an asset in losing KD, I'm not sure that window was actually going to ever open up. Best we could have hoped for was offering Russell the max, hoping he preferred the Lakers to Golden St. enough to hold out until BRK renounced to sign KD. Given his history with the Lakers, it's tough to see that being his preferred path. |
Yup DLo was never an option. Both GSW and BRK benefited from that trade so they had incentive to work something out with each other. Plus DLo is one of the worst defenders in the NBA. I think Green will be one of those glue guys that just fits perfectly with Lebron/AD. One more playmaker wouldve been nice though. There is no perfect team. |
It really didn’t matter what GSW or BRK wanted. If DLo wanted to be a Laker and the Lakers were willing to offer the max, he would be a Laker. It isn’t really even a question. |
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unleasHell
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LOL, why does so many people think the Lakers "missed out" on signing DLO?
He agreed to a sign-and-trade with GS (for Durant), the Lakers did not have Durant to trade, so unless they were willing to pay him (about) $110mil over four years, there was no way they could-have or would have even signed him...
No need to alter reality for some distorted "what-if" scenario.. And the only reason he was on the All-Star team was due to someone being injured...
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LakerMindLA
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| Posted: Thu Oct 03, 2019 9:40 pm Post subject: |
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| unleasHell wrote: | LOL, why does so many people think the Lakers "missed out" on signing DLO?
He agreed to a sign-and-trade with GS (for Durant), the Lakers did not have Durant to trade, so unless they were willing to pay him (about) $110mil over four years, there was no way they could-have or would have even signed him...
No need to alter reality for some distorted "what-if" scenario.. And the only reason he was on the All-Star team was due to someone being injured... |
DLo agreed to the max. If Lakers offered and he wanted to the Lakers, again he didn’t need to agree to a S&T and he’d be a Laker.
Dlo’s max is not that bad when players are earning 40m.
The reality is that we are hoping to sign a 2nd max in 2 years and the only FA clearly better than DLo is the Greek Freak.
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epak
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| Posted: Thu Oct 03, 2019 9:40 pm Post subject: |
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| unleasHell wrote: | LOL, why does so many people think the Lakers "missed out" on signing DLO?
He agreed to a sign-and-trade with GS (for Durant), the Lakers did not have Durant to trade, so unless they were willing to pay him (about) $110mil over four years, there was no way they could-have or would have even signed him...
No need to alter reality for some distorted "what-if" scenario.. And the only reason he was on the All-Star team was due to someone being injured... |
Remember in the FA thread, people wanted him for a little over $20M? LOL! |
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dcarter4kobe
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I wanted both DLo+Lamb.
DLo at max, using the incentive trick. People saying he was a restricted is missing that fact the Nets would have HAD to renounce him to sign Kyrie/KD.
J.Lamb at similar deal he got from Indy 3y/31.5M (Could have offered as much as as 3y33M)
Justin Holliday at RE/Nwaba and WCS (Vonleh,Noah,Noel) at vets min
WCS/Dwight
AD/Kuzma/Dudley
LeBron/Nwaba/THT
Holiday/Lamb/Daniels
DLo/Caruso
A LeBron/AD/DLO trio plus Kuzma/Lamb off the bench 
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yinoma2001
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| Posted: Fri Oct 04, 2019 5:18 am Post subject: |
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| epak wrote: | | unleasHell wrote: | LOL, why does so many people think the Lakers "missed out" on signing DLO?
He agreed to a sign-and-trade with GS (for Durant), the Lakers did not have Durant to trade, so unless they were willing to pay him (about) $110mil over four years, there was no way they could-have or would have even signed him...
No need to alter reality for some distorted "what-if" scenario.. And the only reason he was on the All-Star team was due to someone being injured... |
Remember in the FA thread, people wanted him for a little over $20M? LOL! |
I don't think he gets a max deal if he was a true FA.
What helped him was that the Warriors didn't want to be left empty handed with KD going to the Nets. So they backed themselves in a corner to give what DLO wanted.
I do think if he was a true FA, he would be getting in the 20-24m/year range. Not the max.
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epak
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| Posted: Fri Oct 04, 2019 9:45 am Post subject: |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | epak wrote: | | unleasHell wrote: | LOL, why does so many people think the Lakers "missed out" on signing DLO?
He agreed to a sign-and-trade with GS (for Durant), the Lakers did not have Durant to trade, so unless they were willing to pay him (about) $110mil over four years, there was no way they could-have or would have even signed him...
No need to alter reality for some distorted "what-if" scenario.. And the only reason he was on the All-Star team was due to someone being injured... |
Remember in the FA thread, people wanted him for a little over $20M? LOL! |
I don't think he gets a max deal if he was a true FA.
What helped him was that the Warriors didn't want to be left empty handed with KD going to the Nets. So they backed themselves in a corner to give what DLO wanted.
I do think if he was a true FA, he would be getting in the 20-24m/year range. Not the max. |
Unfortunately, we'll never know how it would have played out |
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audioaxes
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| Posted: Fri Oct 04, 2019 9:52 am Post subject: |
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| epak wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | epak wrote: | | unleasHell wrote: | LOL, why does so many people think the Lakers "missed out" on signing DLO?
He agreed to a sign-and-trade with GS (for Durant), the Lakers did not have Durant to trade, so unless they were willing to pay him (about) $110mil over four years, there was no way they could-have or would have even signed him...
No need to alter reality for some distorted "what-if" scenario.. And the only reason he was on the All-Star team was due to someone being injured... |
Remember in the FA thread, people wanted him for a little over $20M? LOL! |
I don't think he gets a max deal if he was a true FA.
What helped him was that the Warriors didn't want to be left empty handed with KD going to the Nets. So they backed themselves in a corner to give what DLO wanted.
I do think if he was a true FA, he would be getting in the 20-24m/year range. Not the max. |
Unfortunately, we'll never know how it would have played out |
I assume he had atleast one max offer from the the Twolves. I think even more of those small market teams would have went for him but its clear he was trying to see whats the best city/team he could join.
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| Posted: Fri Oct 04, 2019 9:56 am Post subject: |
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| audioaxes wrote: | | epak wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | epak wrote: | | unleasHell wrote: | LOL, why does so many people think the Lakers "missed out" on signing DLO?
He agreed to a sign-and-trade with GS (for Durant), the Lakers did not have Durant to trade, so unless they were willing to pay him (about) $110mil over four years, there was no way they could-have or would have even signed him...
No need to alter reality for some distorted "what-if" scenario.. And the only reason he was on the All-Star team was due to someone being injured... |
Remember in the FA thread, people wanted him for a little over $20M? LOL! |
I don't think he gets a max deal if he was a true FA.
What helped him was that the Warriors didn't want to be left empty handed with KD going to the Nets. So they backed themselves in a corner to give what DLO wanted.
I do think if he was a true FA, he would be getting in the 20-24m/year range. Not the max. |
Unfortunately, we'll never know how it would have played out |
I assume he had atleast one max offer from the the Twolves. I think even more of those small market teams would have went for him but its clear he was trying to see whats the best city/team he could join. |
They didn't have that kind of cap space.
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| Posted: Fri Oct 04, 2019 8:28 pm Post subject: |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | audioaxes wrote: | | epak wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | epak wrote: | | unleasHell wrote: | LOL, why does so many people think the Lakers "missed out" on signing DLO?
He agreed to a sign-and-trade with GS (for Durant), the Lakers did not have Durant to trade, so unless they were willing to pay him (about) $110mil over four years, there was no way they could-have or would have even signed him...
No need to alter reality for some distorted "what-if" scenario.. And the only reason he was on the All-Star team was due to someone being injured... |
Remember in the FA thread, people wanted him for a little over $20M? LOL! |
I don't think he gets a max deal if he was a true FA.
What helped him was that the Warriors didn't want to be left empty handed with KD going to the Nets. So they backed themselves in a corner to give what DLO wanted.
I do think if he was a true FA, he would be getting in the 20-24m/year range. Not the max. |
Unfortunately, we'll never know how it would have played out |
I assume he had atleast one max offer from the the Twolves. I think even more of those small market teams would have went for him but its clear he was trying to see whats the best city/team he could join. |
They didn't have that kind of cap space. |
Lakers should have been offering max if we knew we werent getting Kawhi.
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| Posted: Fri Oct 04, 2019 9:16 pm Post subject: |
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| Nobody worth paying |
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| Palin wrote: | Almost all FAs got overpaid. This is 2016 all over again. Maybe Seth Curry got reasonable money. Just look at that list and try to build a roster next to Lebron, AD and Kuzma.
Nikola Vucevic $28,000,000
Harrison Barnes $24,147,727
Malcolm Brogdon $20,000,000
Bojan Bogdanovic $17,000,000
Julius Randle $18,000,000
Terry Rozier $19,894,737
Terrence Ross $12,500,000
Brook Lopez $12,093,024
Ricky Rubio $16,200,000
Jonas Valanciunas $16,000,000
Thaddeus Young $12,900,000
Dewayne Dedmon $13,333,334
Patrick Beverley $12,345,680
DeAndre Jordan $9,881,598
Cory Joseph $12,000,000
Seth Curry $7,461,380
Rudy Gay $14,500,000
Jeremy Lamb $10,500,000
Kelly Oubre Jr. $15,625,000
Al-Farouq Aminu $9,258,000
George Hill $9,133,907
Delon Wright $9,473,684
J.J. Redick $13,486,300
Tyus Jones $9,258,000
Trevor Ariza $12,200,000
Thomas Bryant $8,000,000
Ivica Zubac $6,481,482
DeMarre Carroll $7,000,000
Nene Hilario $10,000,000
Taj Gibson $9,756,098
Wayne Ellington $8,000,000
Elfrid Payton $8,000,000
Marcus Morris $15,000,000
Kevon Looney $4,629,630
Bobby Portis $15,000,000
Derrick Rose $7,317,073 |
The one that hurts for me is Redick. Reasonable salary + years and his ability to shoot off motion is extremely valuable. I just get the feeling he did not want to play for the Lakers. |
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| Posted: Fri Oct 04, 2019 10:05 pm Post subject: |
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| Brogdon + Dedmon |
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Laker_Dynasty_01
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| Posted: Sat Oct 05, 2019 12:50 am Post subject: |
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| dcarter4kobe wrote: |
DLo at max, using the incentive trick. People saying he was a restricted is missing that fact the Nets would have HAD to renounce him to sign Kyrie/KD.
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Nets never officially renounced DLo, instead only stating they intended to.
He was tendered the qualifying offer before Free Agency started. Once KD agreed to terms, it benefited Brooklyn to use DLo as salary ballast. Since the QO was made, DLo was never a free agent and actually had no choice in the matter. |
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