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DLaker Star Player
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Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2019 10:20 am Post subject: Positive Prospective, Game Adjustments you want to see |
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One game and it seems like the sky is falling at LA LA land already. I was hoping to see a thread where we can provide feed back about move and changes you like to see in the game. NO FIRE the coach or TRADE this player or he SUCKS. No GM moves, just adjustment using the current Laker roster to perform at its peak as constructed as of now.
Game 1 LAL-LAC
I am fine for 3Q, way we competed, but we seem to run out of steam and made some careless TO in the 4th that did us in.
Adjustments
- Did not like LBJ bringing the ball up specially if he is being defended by a player like Beverly. If Bev is on LBJ, somebody else could bring the ball up and do some side action to get the ball back to LBJ. LBJ will be more effective looking towards the basket so he can survey the field.
- If Bradley can't handle bringing the ball up, I like to see Caruso or Cook as starter.
- Offense is too stagnant, Bev picking LBJ screwed with our pick and roll, LBJ thinking he has the advantage already halted our movement.
-We miss a playmaker like Rondo or Caruso (not sure why he did not play) in the second unit and a stretch 4 like Kuz to provide extra punch and length.
- Mcgee needed to play more, we need his activity.
If LBJ is guarded by a great defending guard.
my lineup would be LBJ, Green, Caruso or Cook, AD, Mcgee |
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Stumpy25 Star Player
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Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2019 10:27 am Post subject: Re: Positive Prospective, Game Adjustments you want to see |
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DLaker wrote: | One game and it seems like the sky is falling at LA LA land already. I was hoping to see a thread where we can provide feed back about move and changes you like to see in the game. NO FIRE the coach or TRADE this player or he SUCKS. No GM moves, just adjustment using the current Laker roster to perform at its peak as constructed as of now.
Game 1 LAL-LAC
I am fine for 3Q, way we competed, but we seem to run out of steam and made some careless TO in the 4th that did us in.
Adjustments
- Did not like LBJ bringing the ball up specially if he is being defended by a player like Beverly. If Bev is on LBJ, somebody else could bring the ball up and do some side action to get the ball back to LBJ. LBJ will be more effective looking towards the basket so he can survey the field.
- If Bradley can't handle bringing the ball up, I like to see Caruso or Cook as starter.
- Offense is too stagnant, Bev picking LBJ screwed with our pick and roll, LBJ thinking he has the advantage already halted our movement.
-We miss a playmaker like Rondo or Caruso (not sure why he did not play) in the second unit and a stretch 4 like Kuz to provide extra punch and length.
- Mcgee needed to play more, we need his activity.
If LBJ is guarded by a great defending guard.
my lineup would be LBJ, Green, Caruso or Cook, AD, Mcgee |
I don't like LBJ bringing the ball up either, as much as I hate to say it the team may have been better with Rondo as the PG. |
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scout0_0 Starting Rotation
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Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2019 10:32 am Post subject: |
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I want norvell in the line up and AD at the 5. |
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epak Retired Number
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Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2019 10:38 am Post subject: |
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scout0_0 wrote: | I want norvell in the line up and AD at the 5. |
You have that much confidence in Norvell against legit NBA players? |
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Mike@LG Moderator
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Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2019 12:33 pm Post subject: |
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epak wrote: | scout0_0 wrote: | I want norvell in the line up and AD at the 5. |
You have that much confidence in Norvell against legit NBA players? |
Not against the likes of Beverley. That's a rude awakening.
Other dudes? Yes. _________________ Resident Car Nut.
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Great One Star Player
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Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2019 12:36 pm Post subject: |
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Rotations
PNR
Less AD @ the 5. ( Due to Howard being in foul trouble) _________________ "Nobody hates the good ones. They hate the great ones." - KB |
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trablos Star Player
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Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2019 12:36 pm Post subject: |
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Our defense look phenomenal in the first half, Lebron went uncharacteristically passive in the 4th, lots of unforced errrors, KCP was useless on offense but played good defense. We are missing our 3rd scoring option in Kuz..
From what I saw we just threw away a very winnable game. McGee should have been in longer also. |
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wolfpaclaker Retired Number
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Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2019 12:41 pm Post subject: |
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Considering Kuzma is out. If we get Rondo back.
Try to
-run a few more pick and rolls or pick and pops with Lebron and the bigs.
-set up the offense a bit earlier in the shot clock.
-AD isolations should be featured more when Lebron is resting, Rondo in.
-once bench rotations come into play, try to have the second unit commit to defense effort wise the same way the 1st unit is. |
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LakergirlsFan710 Starting Rotation
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Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2019 1:03 pm Post subject: |
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trablos wrote: | KCP was useless on offense but played good defense. |
kcp played good defense???
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Kava Star Player
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Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2019 1:13 pm Post subject: |
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Lebron should not be bringing the ball up the court vs. an opposing PG. What a ridiculous waste of his talent and effort.
Other than Danny Greene, the lack of off ball movement was discouraging.
The telegraph force feed pass to AD leading to several turnovers was frusterating. I know LBJ said the offense is going to go through AD but it's gotta be part of a natural offensive scheme.
We played horrible after their bench started outplaying our starters at the end of the first half. What was encouraging is that we were in the game despite some of our hired snipers not shooting well from three (except for DG).
Someone at the game will need to fill me in on this...But J Kidd seems to not be talking. Must be waiting for his time to shine. I would expect an old savvy HoF PG to be in the ear of ALL our guards including LBJ every timeout. Especially in the first game of the season. Just an observation. |
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PHILosophize Franchise Player
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Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2019 1:18 pm Post subject: |
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Bradley
Green
Kuz
LBJ
AD _________________ one dog goes that way the other dog goes the other way |
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Lakers_Jester Star Player
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Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2019 1:20 pm Post subject: |
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Good thread.
Constructive takeaways:
Need a secondary playmaker as others have mentioned with the starters. Lebron for 82 games cant be playing on ball the entire time. Would like to see cook take Bradley's place. Not that Bradley played poorly, but I think the starters will eventually need a bit more offensive versatility from a playmaking standpoint. Id even give caruso a try.
Kawhi struggled when AD was switched onto defending him.
Hope to see Vogel making more adjustments in game and consider matchups going forward. Eg: bradley more on lou will, Ad on Kawhi. However i understand its game 1 of the season, and making specific game plans vs specific teams is unrealistic. Probably more concerned with sticking to the general season gameplan vs planning against one specific team. |
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scout0_0 Starting Rotation
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Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2019 1:23 pm Post subject: |
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Mike@LG wrote: | epak wrote: | scout0_0 wrote: | I want norvell in the line up and AD at the 5. |
You have that much confidence in Norvell against legit NBA players? |
Not against the likes of Beverley. That's a rude awakening.
Other dudes? Yes. | Norvell won't be asked to try and create against beverly, he is out there to spread the floor and run in transition. and add some half court penetration off the kick outs. |
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kikanga Retired Number
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Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2019 1:25 pm Post subject: |
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Can't soft hedge all game long against guys like Lou and Kawhi. They'll eat that pick and roll coverage alive. Better off switching, at least some of the time. Can't be that rigid when it comes to defending top tier players. Have to mix it up.
Rondo could've helped. Feel like Beverly would've been less effective defensively if we had a healthy Rajon.
We struggled to defend without fouling. Especially in the 2nd quarter. Will be keeping an eye on that as the season progresses. _________________ "Every hurt is a lesson, and every lesson makes you better” |
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Mike@LG Moderator
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Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2019 1:34 pm Post subject: |
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scout0_0 wrote: | Mike@LG wrote: | epak wrote: | scout0_0 wrote: | I want norvell in the line up and AD at the 5. |
You have that much confidence in Norvell against legit NBA players? |
Not against the likes of Beverley. That's a rude awakening.
Other dudes? Yes. | Norvell won't be asked to try and create against beverly, he is out there to spread the floor and run in transition. and add some half court penetration off the kick outs. |
Norvell doesn't get to pick and choose who his defender is. _________________ Resident Car Nut.
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DLaker Star Player
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Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2019 3:40 pm Post subject: |
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Looking back at the game again.
There is a positive to take out of the game
- LBJ did not play well offensively, but played great defensively
- AD down low can be a load if he is aggressive
- Green fit perfectly for this team offensively & defensively
- We played without another ball handler (Rondo) in the second unit and still miss our top scorer in Kuz. (LAC bench killed us)
- Daniel and Cook missed some open look
- We had a horrible 2nd qtr, but still we battled back and break even going to the 4th, where we choked |
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RI Laker Star Player
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Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2019 4:02 pm Post subject: |
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PHILosophize wrote: | Bradley
Green
Kuz
LBJ
AD |
Spot on Phil. This is by far our best lineup! |
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Scoffs Starting Rotation
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Posted: Thu Oct 24, 2019 8:42 pm Post subject: |
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Someone needs to tell AD he's not an outside shooter; don't take a single 3. We need an aggressive guard who can dribble penetrate to play with the 2nd unit; when Lebron and AD both sit, we're relying on Dudley and Cook to run plays. Norvell or Caruso needs to be the 2ndary playmakers. Cook is a great shooter but he's less effective when he's asked to run plays.
Finally, we need a spark off the bench. It's too bad we let Cacok go because he hustles and brings energy to the team; we saw that with Harrell and Harkless on the Clipps. Hopefully, Kuz can be that spark. |
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PICKnPOP Star Player
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Posted: Thu Oct 24, 2019 9:21 pm Post subject: |
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Our bench will be great with rondo, Kuzma and Howard so I’m not worried about that. I think we def need to see the :
Bradley
Green
Lebron
Kuzma
AD
Lineup to close the game.
I feel this unit should play together for at least 12 minutes a game. Maybe sub Kuzma in early for Javale and end the first and 3rd with that lineup and then close out the games as well. _________________ “like I never left”
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DLaker Star Player
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Posted: Fri Oct 25, 2019 8:36 am Post subject: |
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PICKnPOP wrote: | Our bench will be great with rondo, Kuzma and Howard so I’m not worried about that. I think we def need to see the :
Bradley
Green
Lebron
Kuzma
AD
Lineup to close the game.
I feel this unit should play together for at least 12 minutes a game. Maybe sub Kuzma in early for Javale and end the first and 3rd with that lineup and then close out the games as well. |
Agree
We need to see if Green, Kuz, LBJ, AD and who ever the 5th guy is going to work. Its our best offensive lineup. That lineup working can make this team go far. As far as the fifth guy, Avery is in if can bring the ball up to help LBJ, else I like to see Cook or Caruso. Iffy on Rondo, cause he is a hesitant shooter, like Rondo more on the second unit. |
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scout0_0 Starting Rotation
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Posted: Fri Oct 25, 2019 8:47 am Post subject: |
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Mike@LG wrote: | scout0_0 wrote: | Mike@LG wrote: | epak wrote: | scout0_0 wrote: | I want norvell in the line up and AD at the 5. |
You have that much confidence in Norvell against legit NBA players? |
Not against the likes of Beverley. That's a rude awakening.
Other dudes? Yes. | Norvell won't be asked to try and create against beverly, he is out there to spread the floor and run in transition. and add some half court penetration off the kick outs. |
Norvell doesn't get to pick and choose who his defender is. |
I did not say he will get to pick his defender. I said he will be out there spacing the floor not dribbling which is beverlys strength. If Beverlys defense is going to be wasted on our worst player. I'll take that. |
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LakerLogic Franchise Player
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Posted: Fri Oct 25, 2019 8:47 am Post subject: |
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RI Laker wrote: | PHILosophize wrote: | Bradley
Green
Kuz
LBJ
AD |
Spot on Phil. This is by far our best lineup! |
And doesn't have much ball-handling. |
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scout0_0 Starting Rotation
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Posted: Fri Oct 25, 2019 8:48 am Post subject: |
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LakerLogic wrote: | RI Laker wrote: | PHILosophize wrote: | Bradley
Green
Kuz
LBJ
AD |
Spot on Phil. This is by far our best lineup! |
And doesn't have much ball-handling. |
you dont need much handlers when the paint is wide open. But if you got AD + Mcgee then yeah you need kyrie irving to be able to penetrate |
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AirTupac Star Player
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Posted: Fri Oct 25, 2019 8:52 am Post subject: |
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KCP played good defense? Was that before or after Kawhi scored a bunch straight on him with EASE? _________________ I love my Lakies |
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LakerLogic Franchise Player
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Posted: Fri Oct 25, 2019 8:55 am Post subject: |
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The team won't get far without another competent ball-handler and another wing defender. |
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