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PostPosted: Thu Apr 09, 2020 9:22 pm    Post subject:

Mike@LG wrote:
Udoka Azubuike - Like him a lot, even though he's a traditional big, but probable a mid to late 2nd based on archetype


this one surprises me, would not have guessed you would be a fan....
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 10, 2020 11:10 am    Post subject:

Will fill in over time and change order

Anthony Edwards

Killian Hayes
LaMelo Ball

Onyeka Okongwu

Cole Anthony
Obi Toppin
James Wiseman

Deni Avdija
Tyrese Haliburton
Devin Vessell

RJ Hampton
Josh Green
Isaac Okoro

Kira Lewis Jr
Nico Mannion
Tyrese Maxey
Aaron Nesmith

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Theo Maledon
Precious Achiuwa
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Xavier Tillman
Leandro Bolmaro
Tre Jones
Desmond Bane
Jalen Smith
Grant Riller
Isaiah Joe
Killian Tillie
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Alex Pokusevski
Payton Pritchard
Lamine Diane
Paul Reed

Jahmi'us Ramsey
Patrick Williams
Malachi Flynn

Jordan Nwora
Tyrell Terry
Vernon Carey

Immanuel Quickley
Devon Dotson
Reggie Perry
Skylar Mays
Myles Powell
Udoka Azubuike
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 10, 2020 7:22 pm    Post subject:

My top 20

Anthony Edwards
LeMalo Ball
James Wiseman
Cole Anthony
Obi Toppin

Jaden McDaniels
Killian Hayes
Isaac Okoro
Deni Avdija
Tyrese Haliburton

Devin Vessell
R J Hampton
Saddiq Bey
Onyeka Okongwu
Precious Acguywa

Aaron Nesmith
Nico Mannion
Tyrese Maxey
Zeke Nnaji
Kira Lewis Jr

Sleepers

Bolded would consider for Lakers pick

PG - Malachi Flynn, Colbey Ross, Jerrick Harding

SG - Mason Jones John Petty

SF - Kristian Doolittle, Lamra Stevens, Desmond Bane

PF/C - Brady Manek, Collin Welp (not sure if they will declare)

and the Alex Caruso prospect

T J Haws


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 10, 2020 8:47 pm    Post subject:

I have read Manek is expected to return to Oklahoma by the staff.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2020 10:25 am    Post subject:

PlantedTanks wrote:
My top 20

Anthony Edwards
LeMalo Ball
James Wiseman
Cole Anthony
Obi Toppin

Jaden McDaniels
Killian Hayes
Isaac Okoro
Deni Avdija
Tyrese Haliburton

Devin Vessell
R J Hampton
Saddiq Bey
Onyeka Okongwu
Precious Acguywa

Aaron Nesmith
Nico Mannion
Tyrese Maxey
Zeke Nnaji
Kira Lewis Jr

Sleepers

Bolded would consider for Lakers pick

PG - Malachi Flynn, Colbey Ross, Jerrick Harding

SG - Mason Jones John Petty

SF - Kristian Doolittle, Lamra Stevens, Desmond Bane

PF/C - Brady Manek, Collin Welp (not sure if they will declare)

and the Alex Caruso prospect

T J Haws


I have a tough time with Jaden. Needs like 2 years of body building and to actually try and calm down on the court instead of forcing some really difficult shots.

The motor is there at least, but I don't think he wants G League time when he gets drafted.

Still thinking Kira Lewis is a lottery player. Still want Isaiah Joe.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2020 1:53 pm    Post subject:

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I have a tough time with Jaden. Needs like 2 years of body building and to actually try and calm down on the court instead of forcing some really difficult shots.

The motor is there at least, but I don't think he wants G League time when he gets drafted.

Still thinking Kira Lewis is a lottery player. Still want Isaiah Joe.


I feel Jaden's build is better than BI's coming out of college and more capable to adding weight.

Agree of your court assessment of him at the beginning of the season but those problems were less apparent at the end. This also applies to Isaiah Stewart who's potential I feel is limited due to athletic limitations.

Can't recall the game, possibly Auburn, but still remember Lewis racing past the other team down court while dribbling. Really D Fox like. I can see him going in the lottery especially to a team like the Spurs.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2020 6:23 pm    Post subject:

It's not the build I'm worried about. It's actual strength.
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Devin Vessell https://youtu.be/kIAjUzxZdlA

His jumpshot looks so effortless .
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 12, 2020 9:52 am    Post subject:

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Devin Vessell https://youtu.be/kIAjUzxZdlA

His jumpshot looks so effortless .


He's lottery man.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 12, 2020 1:10 pm    Post subject:

Intrigued by Bolmaro and Pokusevski as tall initiators. Bolmaro needs to polish the shot. Pokusevski needs more strength. Longer term prospects.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 13, 2020 1:32 pm    Post subject:

There should be an argument for putting Killian Hayes #1
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 13, 2020 2:59 pm    Post subject:

Mike@LG wrote:
There should be an argument for putting Killian Hayes #1


What does he have over Ball?
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 13, 2020 4:07 pm    Post subject:

To complete my top 35 with the first 5 my choice for the Lakers pick.

Robert Woodward - Kind of bordering between a SF and short PF. Physically ready with good athleticism, strength and length. Have not seen much ability to create his own shot but good shooter.

Isaiah Stewart - taller Montrezl Harrell. Really long but very little vertical. Has a mid-range jumper but disappointed in effort on boards.

Jalen Smith - tall, long, blocks shots, works hard on the boards and the defensive end. Showed a jump shot this year. Just average athletically and did not show much ball handling skill.

Mason Jones - a dynamic scorer who can handle the ball and create his own shot. Was one of the primary ball handlers for Arkansas but not a PG.

Tre Jones - better than his brother Tyus. Good athleticism, quickness and improved his jump shot.

Vernon Carey - his high school tape was uninspiring imo but he really showed more skill than I though he had this year at Duke.
Josh Green
Jordan Nwora
John Petty - my underrated prospect. Plays hard and a good shooter
Scottie Lewis
Kahlil Whitney
Jahmi'us Ramsey
Aleksej Pokusevski
Mamadi Diakite
Cassius STanley

Also like Killian Tillie but don't believe his body will hold up to a full NBA season.

Still high on Markus Howard and not sure why he doesn't get more consideration as a prospect. Is he that different than Carsen Edwards?
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 14, 2020 11:00 am    Post subject:

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Mike@LG wrote:
There should be an argument for putting Killian Hayes #1


What does he have over Ball?


Shooting, shot selection, predictability.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 14, 2020 11:02 am    Post subject:

Carson Edwards at least showed PG ability as a freshman before they changed his role. Don't think Markus Howard has that ability.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 14, 2020 12:18 pm    Post subject:

I left Theo Maledon out of my top 35. I see him as Mr. Average. Average athleticism, quickness, explosiveness and passing. Average-good shooter although more stationary than off movement.

Granted this is just from highlights and hard to judge court presence but I don't see a + skill.

Nico Mannion is a similar player but believe his shooting will become + and is the superior passer.

Am I seeing it wrong?
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I left Theo Maledon out of my top 35. I see him as Mr. Average. Average athleticism, quickness, explosiveness and passing. Average-good shooter although more stationary than off movement.

Granted this is just from highlights and hard to judge court presence but I don't see a + skill.

Nico Mannion is a similar player but believe his shooting will become + and is the superior passer.

Am I seeing it wrong?


Malden's potential is based on age.

Mannion is a much more polished pull up shooter, above average passer, makes good reads, tries defensively. People are down on him because he doesn't always attack at the rim or FTr.
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Mike@LG wrote:
PlantedTanks wrote:
Mike@LG wrote:
There should be an argument for putting Killian Hayes #1


What does he have over Ball?


Shooting, shot selection, predictability.


I am not sure about shooting. The one aspect of shooting Ball seems to have is touch from both outside and at the rim. His shot selection will improve and I believe he will be the superior scorer.
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Mike@LG wrote:
PlantedTanks wrote:
I left Theo Maledon out of my top 35. I see him as Mr. Average. Average athleticism, quickness, explosiveness and passing. Average-good shooter although more stationary than off movement.

Granted this is just from highlights and hard to judge court presence but I don't see a + skill.

Nico Mannion is a similar player but believe his shooting will become + and is the superior passer.

Am I seeing it wrong?


Malden's potential is based on age.

Mannion is a much more polished pull up shooter, above average passer, makes good reads, tries defensively. People are down on him because he doesn't always attack at the rim or FTr.


So how do you see Ashton Hagans in comparison. He is hard to evaluate playing within Calipar's system.

I like him but needs a lot of work on his shot and not sure of how good of a play maker he really is.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 14, 2020 1:04 pm    Post subject:

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Mike@LG wrote:
PlantedTanks wrote:
Mike@LG wrote:
There should be an argument for putting Killian Hayes #1


What does he have over Ball?


Shooting, shot selection, predictability.


I am not sure about shooting. The one aspect of shooting Ball seems to have is touch from both outside and at the rim. His shot selection will improve and I believe he will be the superior scorer.


I refuse to let LaMelo's hot streak 3pt shooting at NBL as an indicator of shooting.

I disagree about shot selection. For the most part, that almost never changes. He would need a strict coach to tame that.

Much more confident in Killian's scoring abilities next level. Like watching a DLO clone.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 14, 2020 1:06 pm    Post subject:

PlantedTanks wrote:
Mike@LG wrote:
PlantedTanks wrote:
I left Theo Maledon out of my top 35. I see him as Mr. Average. Average athleticism, quickness, explosiveness and passing. Average-good shooter although more stationary than off movement.

Granted this is just from highlights and hard to judge court presence but I don't see a + skill.

Nico Mannion is a similar player but believe his shooting will become + and is the superior passer.

Am I seeing it wrong?


Malden's potential is based on age.

Mannion is a much more polished pull up shooter, above average passer, makes good reads, tries defensively. People are down on him because he doesn't always attack at the rim or FTr.


So how do you see Ashton Hagans in comparison. He is hard to evaluate playing within Calipar's system.

I like him but needs a lot of work on his shot and not sure of how good of a play maker he really is.


I'm not a Hagans guy. Pretty sure I'll find more 2nd round picks above him
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 14, 2020 1:30 pm    Post subject:

Mike@LG wrote:
PlantedTanks wrote:
Mike@LG wrote:
PlantedTanks wrote:
Mike@LG wrote:
There should be an argument for putting Killian Hayes #1


What does he have over Ball?


Shooting, shot selection, predictability.


I am not sure about shooting. The one aspect of shooting Ball seems to have is touch from both outside and at the rim. His shot selection will improve and I believe he will be the superior scorer.


I refuse to let LaMelo's hot streak 3pt shooting at NBL as an indicator of shooting.

I disagree about shot selection. For the most part, that almost never changes. He would need a strict coach to tame that.

Much more confident in Killian's scoring abilities next level. Like watching a DLO clone.


It was the impression I got when Ball played for SPIRE that he could change his game to fit with his teammates. From the vids he did not dominate the ball, attempt those 30'+ shots and appeared to play with purpose.

With the right organization and teammates he could develop into a special player.

I like Killian's game a lot more than DLO's. True PG with exceptional vision and passing while DLO for me is s SG who can pass.
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PlantedTanks wrote:
Mike@LG wrote:
PlantedTanks wrote:
Mike@LG wrote:
PlantedTanks wrote:
Mike@LG wrote:
There should be an argument for putting Killian Hayes #1


What does he have over Ball?


Shooting, shot selection, predictability.


I am not sure about shooting. The one aspect of shooting Ball seems to have is touch from both outside and at the rim. His shot selection will improve and I believe he will be the superior scorer.


I refuse to let LaMelo's hot streak 3pt shooting at NBL as an indicator of shooting.

Link: https://www.basketball-reference.com/international/players/lamelo-ball-1/gamelog/2020/nbl-australia/#pgl_basic::none


I disagree about shot selection. For the most part, that almost never changes. He would need a strict coach to tame that.

Much more confident in Killian's scoring abilities next level. Like watching a DLO clone.


It was the impression I got when Ball played for SPIRE that he could change his game to fit with his teammates. From the vids he did not dominate the ball, attempt those 30'+ shots and appeared to play with purpose.

With the right organization and teammates he could develop into a special player.

I like Killian's game a lot more than DLO's. True PG with exceptional vision and passing while DLO for me is s SG who can pass.


It's not the shot volume I was concerned about. SPIRE needed him to do that. NBL didn't, so he didn't. But the shot quality for the volume he took, wasn't great at all.

LaMelo is a tall PG. Not great burst, great in transition/chaotic basketball. Lots of off balance shots, capable of some shake but not real blow by. If you're an NBA defender, you let him shoot.

Killian, you have to defend the shot and the pass. Killian isn't LaMelo's level of vision passing, but he's not THAT far behind. Unlike LaMelo, you need to defend that shot, and he's capable of getting a lot of soft touch floaters in the paint, just like DLO.

Killian can score easily in the half court. LaMelo? You NEED to run him off screens and let him play 2 basically. Then it becomes a roster/system fit issue. Is that the best way to play him? Optimize LaMelo's scoring? I don't think so. At least with Zo, he played like a 2 anyway and had WAY better shot selection out of UCLA AND had the vision AND the defense + burst.

Melo has the better handle/layup package. That's it.
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About Hagans

Good athlete, quick/burst

Doesn't really change directions except for an avg behind the back handle

Opts for floaters

More comfortable midrange/floaters than outside of 17'

Short range passer, 15' and in, more like dump off situations.

All reads like a 2 playing 1 but without the great shooting behind the arc, or tremendous shake.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 14, 2020 3:33 pm    Post subject:

Watched multiple games of Arkansas this year and Isaiah Joe just did not move the needle. He would occasionally flash but seemed to disappear for most of the game.

This may have been due to the offensive scheme where Mason Jones at times dominated the ball but his play was disappointing.
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