| View previous topic :: View next topic |
| Author |
Message |
LaLaLakeShow
Star Player
Joined: 04 Aug 2019
Posts: 2989
|
 Posted: Thu Jan 23, 2020 3:57 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| ringfinger wrote: | | LaLaLakeShow wrote: | | LandsbergerRules wrote: | | Beir32 wrote: | | Mamba81 wrote: | | why this dude always referring to kobe as "bryant" and referring to lebron as "LABron" smh.. cmon bro. |
Because he’s a troll. It’s meant to annoy. |
Lol yup. |
We cracked the case |
 |
[Deleted. -CL]
_________________
Mamba Made Moments Meticulously Magnificent |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
ringfinger
Retired Number
Joined: 08 Oct 2013
Posts: 29418
|
| Posted: Thu Jan 23, 2020 4:01 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| LaLaLakeShow wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | LaLaLakeShow wrote: | | LandsbergerRules wrote: | | Beir32 wrote: | | Mamba81 wrote: | | why this dude always referring to kobe as "bryant" and referring to lebron as "LABron" smh.. cmon bro. |
Because he’s a troll. It’s meant to annoy. |
Lol yup. |
We cracked the case |
|
Yes, ringfinger? What is it now? |
Player fans are generally pretty annoying but he’s not any different than the rest so let’s not single the guy out.
_________________
Clippers are our Daddy. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
LaLaLakeShow
Star Player
Joined: 04 Aug 2019
Posts: 2989
|
| Posted: Thu Jan 23, 2020 4:02 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| ringfinger wrote: | | LaLaLakeShow wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | LaLaLakeShow wrote: | | LandsbergerRules wrote: | | Beir32 wrote: | | Mamba81 wrote: | | why this dude always referring to kobe as "bryant" and referring to lebron as "LABron" smh.. cmon bro. |
Because he’s a troll. It’s meant to annoy. |
Lol yup. |
We cracked the case |
|
Yes, ringfinger? What is it now? |
Player fans are generally pretty annoying but he’s not any different than the rest so let’s not single the guy out. |
You are certainly welcome to that opinion
_________________
Mamba Made Moments Meticulously Magnificent |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
ringfinger
Retired Number
Joined: 08 Oct 2013
Posts: 29418
|
| Posted: Thu Jan 23, 2020 4:12 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| LaLaLakeShow wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | LaLaLakeShow wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | LaLaLakeShow wrote: | | LandsbergerRules wrote: | | Beir32 wrote: | | Mamba81 wrote: | | why this dude always referring to kobe as "bryant" and referring to lebron as "LABron" smh.. cmon bro. |
Because he’s a troll. It’s meant to annoy. |
Lol yup. |
We cracked the case |
|
Yes, ringfinger? What is it now? |
Player fans are generally pretty annoying but he’s not any different than the rest so let’s not single the guy out. |
You are certainly welcome to that opinion |
As are all of us. But let’s not single people out and levy personal attacks on them. This thread must live.
_________________
Clippers are our Daddy. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
epak
Retired Number
Joined: 30 Aug 2005
Posts: 34147
|
| Posted: Thu Jan 23, 2020 4:15 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Personally I like James as well as Kobe the Black Mamba! |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
LaLaLakeShow
Star Player
Joined: 04 Aug 2019
Posts: 2989
|
| Posted: Thu Jan 23, 2020 4:17 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| ringfinger wrote: | | LaLaLakeShow wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | LaLaLakeShow wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | LaLaLakeShow wrote: | | LandsbergerRules wrote: | | Beir32 wrote: | | Mamba81 wrote: | | why this dude always referring to kobe as "bryant" and referring to lebron as "LABron" smh.. cmon bro. |
Because he’s a troll. It’s meant to annoy. |
Lol yup. |
We cracked the case |
|
Yes, ringfinger? What is it now? |
Player fans are generally pretty annoying but he’s not any different than the rest so let’s not single the guy out. |
You are certainly welcome to that opinion |
As are all of us. But let’s not single people out and levy personal attacks on them. This thread must live. |
[Deleted. -CL]
_________________
Mamba Made Moments Meticulously Magnificent |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
LaLaLakeShow
Star Player
Joined: 04 Aug 2019
Posts: 2989
|
| Posted: Thu Jan 23, 2020 4:18 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| epak wrote: | | Personally I like James as well as Kobe the Black Mamba! |
I assume most Laker fans would agree with you
_________________
Mamba Made Moments Meticulously Magnificent |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
governator
Retired Number
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
Posts: 25092
|
| Posted: Thu Jan 23, 2020 4:21 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| epak wrote: | | Personally I like James as well as Kobe the Black Mamba! |
He's almost as good as the Black Mamba too! |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
ringfinger
Retired Number
Joined: 08 Oct 2013
Posts: 29418
|
| Posted: Thu Jan 23, 2020 4:26 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| LaLaLakeShow wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | LaLaLakeShow wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | LaLaLakeShow wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | LaLaLakeShow wrote: | | LandsbergerRules wrote: | | Beir32 wrote: | | Mamba81 wrote: | | why this dude always referring to kobe as "bryant" and referring to lebron as "LABron" smh.. cmon bro. |
Because he’s a troll. It’s meant to annoy. |
Lol yup. |
We cracked the case |
|
Yes, ringfinger? What is it now? |
Player fans are generally pretty annoying but he’s not any different than the rest so let’s not single the guy out. |
You are certainly welcome to that opinion |
As are all of us. But let’s not single people out and levy personal attacks on them. This thread must live. |
I remember when a number of posters were treating me with tons of disrespect and calling Me troll and the like. And I wasn’t even saying anything crazy, just giving my opinions. And certainly wasn’t trying to instigate things like some here.
Don’t remember you coming to my defense then.
A few people obviously disagree with u on this one.
Feel free to take it up with each of them if you like. 👍 |
I said “lets” because I was referring to all of us.
I’m not here to come to anyone’s defense. Hopefully you can defend yourself.
I an mostly concerned with defending the thread.
_________________
Clippers are our Daddy. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
LaLaLakeShow
Star Player
Joined: 04 Aug 2019
Posts: 2989
|
| Posted: Thu Jan 23, 2020 4:44 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| ringfinger wrote: | | LaLaLakeShow wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | LaLaLakeShow wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | LaLaLakeShow wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | LaLaLakeShow wrote: | | LandsbergerRules wrote: | | Beir32 wrote: | | Mamba81 wrote: | | why this dude always referring to kobe as "bryant" and referring to lebron as "LABron" smh.. cmon bro. |
Because he’s a troll. It’s meant to annoy. |
Lol yup. |
We cracked the case |
|
Yes, ringfinger? What is it now? |
Player fans are generally pretty annoying but he’s not any different than the rest so let’s not single the guy out. |
You are certainly welcome to that opinion |
As are all of us. But let’s not single people out and levy personal attacks on them. This thread must live. |
I remember when a number of posters were treating me with tons of disrespect and calling Me troll and the like. And I wasn’t even saying anything crazy, just giving my opinions. And certainly wasn’t trying to instigate things like some here.
Don’t remember you coming to my defense then.
A few people obviously disagree with u on this one.
Feel free to take it up with each of them if you like. 👍 |
I said “lets” because I was referring to all of us.
I’m not here to come to anyone’s defense. Hopefully you can defend yourself.
I an mostly concerned with defending the thread. |
Sounds like you were defending him to me.
That is your right, of course
But enough of that. Who you got? Kobe or LeBron? 
_________________
Mamba Made Moments Meticulously Magnificent |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Beir32
Star Player
Joined: 16 Feb 2016
Posts: 1710
Location: Western PA
|
| Posted: Thu Jan 23, 2020 4:49 pm Post subject: |
|
|
I don’t care one way or another about this discussion. I like em both. But that dude that I previously mentioned is a troll. He’s been suspended for it in the past. I don’t think it gets anymore black and white than that.
I calls em how I sees em. If you feel I’m being unfair or violating any sort of rules then feel free to report me. I really don’t have anything more to add to the discussion that that. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
LaLaLakeShow
Star Player
Joined: 04 Aug 2019
Posts: 2989
|
| Posted: Thu Jan 23, 2020 4:53 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Just in case we’re losing track on the main point here...
Kobe>LeBron
Lakers all day either way
_________________
Mamba Made Moments Meticulously Magnificent |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Metro2Staples
Starting Rotation
Joined: 08 Sep 2019
Posts: 311
|
| Posted: Thu Jan 23, 2020 4:54 pm Post subject: |
|
|
This is so emotional to watch LAbron pass Bryant......in a good way.  |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
ringfinger
Retired Number
Joined: 08 Oct 2013
Posts: 29418
|
| Posted: Thu Jan 23, 2020 4:57 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| LaLaLakeShow wrote: | Just in case we’re losing track on the main point here...
Kobe>LeBron
Lakers all day either way |
Now you’re being the guy you personally attacked except you’re pointing the arrow a different way.
Cmon guys, on this topic, we can do better, no? Let’s bring the evidence and duke it out!!!
_________________
Clippers are our Daddy. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
ringfinger
Retired Number
Joined: 08 Oct 2013
Posts: 29418
|
| Posted: Thu Jan 23, 2020 4:59 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Metro2Staples wrote: | | This is so emotional to watch LAbron pass Bryant......in a good way. |
It sounds like most of you have run out of arguments at this point. Both sides aren’t offering anything of value to this conversation.
If you care about Lebron, do your best to keep this thread alive rather than engaging in things that will get it shut down.
_________________
Clippers are our Daddy. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
LaLaLakeShow
Star Player
Joined: 04 Aug 2019
Posts: 2989
|
| Posted: Thu Jan 23, 2020 5:02 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| ringfinger wrote: | | LaLaLakeShow wrote: | Just in case we’re losing track on the main point here...
Kobe>LeBron
Lakers all day either way |
Now you’re being the guy you personally attacked except you’re pointing the arrow a different way.
Cmon guys, on this topic, we can do better, no? Let’s bring the evidence and duke it out!!! |
How is that exactly?
I think Kobe’s better
I’ve given detailed reasons why in the 1st 20 or so pages of this thread.
So explain how you think I’m in the wrong, if you can
I even said “Lakers all day either way” in order to put the most important thing 1st, in the end. The Purple and Gold
_________________
Mamba Made Moments Meticulously Magnificent |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
ringfinger
Retired Number
Joined: 08 Oct 2013
Posts: 29418
|
| Posted: Thu Jan 23, 2020 5:46 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| LaLaLakeShow wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | LaLaLakeShow wrote: | Just in case we’re losing track on the main point here...
Kobe>LeBron
Lakers all day either way |
Now you’re being the guy you personally attacked except you’re pointing the arrow a different way.
Cmon guys, on this topic, we can do better, no? Let’s bring the evidence and duke it out!!! |
How is that exactly?
I think Kobe’s better
I’ve given detailed reasons why in the 1st 20 or so pages of this thread.
So explain how you think I’m in the wrong, if you can
I even said “Lakers all day either way” in order to put the most important thing 1st, in the end. The Purple and Gold |
And he thinks the opposite. But instead of bringing the backup, just keeps saying it and things like it over and over like the other side is.
Anyway, let’s stick to the arguments for and against. For instance, which advanced stats should (and shouldn’t) matter in the discussion in your mind?
_________________
Clippers are our Daddy. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Metro2Staples
Starting Rotation
Joined: 08 Sep 2019
Posts: 311
|
| Posted: Thu Jan 23, 2020 6:30 pm Post subject: |
|
|
True, but it's not just that I think the opposite. EVERY single published ranking has LeBron well ahead of Bryant. Could it be that they are all Bron Stans? I don't think so. 
Being ranked 12 or 14 is absolutely nothing to be ashamed of. That means you are/were a great player.
I don't think anyone has posted their own ranking in this thread, not even a 1-10 of all time greatest players.
This is an emotional time of the year, a historic stanza in NBA history, as we watch LBJ pass Bryant in points. I'm loving it for the historical aspect.
| ringfinger wrote: | And he thinks the opposite. But instead of bringing the backup, just keeps saying it and things like it over and over like the other side is.
Anyway, let’s stick to the arguments for and against. For instance, which advanced stats should (and shouldn’t) matter in the discussion in your mind? |
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
moonriver24
Franchise Player
Joined: 21 Oct 2007
Posts: 15265
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Aeneas Hunter
Retired Number
Joined: 12 Jul 2005
Posts: 31763
|
| Posted: Thu Jan 23, 2020 6:49 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| moonriver24 wrote: | It's surreal to see LeJames with all stars help versus Kyrie with little helps.  |
If you run a Google search for "Be Careful What You Wish For," you should get a picture of Kyrie Irving. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
moonriver24
Franchise Player
Joined: 21 Oct 2007
Posts: 15265
|
| Posted: Thu Jan 23, 2020 7:03 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Aeneas Hunter wrote: | | moonriver24 wrote: | | It's surreal to see LeJames with all stars help versus Kyrie with little helps. |
If you run a Google search for "Be Careful What You Wish For," you should get a picture of Kyrie Irving. |
LoL. Since the breakup, they are still 1-1.
LeJames is the lucky one for now. He may get one after the split because of Davis and the gang.
Kyrie needs to wait for his turn when Durant comes back healthy.
_________________
Kobe's Top 5 Dunks, 81 points, MJ last gm @Staples |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
NBAFAN24
Star Player
Joined: 30 Aug 2010
Posts: 1105
|
| Posted: Thu Jan 23, 2020 7:08 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| I wish LeBron was a bit more selfish sometimes. He spent so much time setting up teammates for open shots and barely look for his own. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
LaLaLakeShow
Star Player
Joined: 04 Aug 2019
Posts: 2989
|
| Posted: Thu Jan 23, 2020 7:10 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| ringfinger wrote: | | LaLaLakeShow wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | LaLaLakeShow wrote: | Just in case we’re losing track on the main point here...
Kobe>LeBron
Lakers all day either way |
Now you’re being the guy you personally attacked except you’re pointing the arrow a different way.
Cmon guys, on this topic, we can do better, no? Let’s bring the evidence and duke it out!!! |
How is that exactly?
I think Kobe’s better
I’ve given detailed reasons why in the 1st 20 or so pages of this thread.
So explain how you think I’m in the wrong, if you can
I even said “Lakers all day either way” in order to put the most important thing 1st, in the end. The Purple and Gold |
And he thinks the opposite. But instead of bringing the backup, just keeps saying it and things like it over and over like the other side is.
Anyway, let’s stick to the arguments for and against. For instance, which advanced stats should (and shouldn’t) matter in the discussion in your mind? |
All of them are inconsequential when comparing players who played under the rise of their banner and those who did not. The very fact that they exist and are used to measure a player’s effectiveness and therefore overall value contributes to the manner in which the modern star plays.
This knowledge changes the present to such a degree that the past is at an immediate disadvantage if judged through their lens. If Kobe had come into the league with these numbers being preached by coaching staffs then his choices out on the court would have been different. Not to mention the physical positioning of his teammates, the overall pace, the shots available to him, etc etc.
Therefore, his stats would have necessarily been altered. Perhaps drastically.
We can never know just how much, unfortunately.
This is why it’s difficult to compare players from different eras.
Kobe and LeBron are somewhat unique in the fact that they are 2 giants of the game whose primes crossed paths fairly close at a time when the league was being altered in such a degree not seen since the incorporation of the 3 point line, imo.
Kobe most certainly was the last Legend of a now faded era.
MJ’s influence is all over him. Right down to the reality of having shared the same coach and system.
The further away you get from the type of game these two existed within the less these analytics have to say about the players themselves. At least when weighing them against each other.
Kobe is far superior in footwork, shot making ability, offensive creativity and the plain shooting of the basketball. He was quicker off the dribble and could change angles mid air in ways few have ever dreamed.
I’ve seen him hit a fade away 3 with his left hand and do a myriad of other things on the court that LeBron could never dream of doing no matter how hard he practiced. LeBron could never compare to Kobe’s array of skills and overall basketball genius.
Now, what LeBron has on Kobe is his court vision, his size and his strength. And he has used those talents to the fullest over his career. The fact that he was also as quick as he was put almost every other player at an immediate disadvantage. It’s the Shaq conundrum all over again. The only true matchup for Shaq would have been another Shaq. Same with LeBron.
Add in the fact that LeBron has benefited from a watered down enforcement of basic league rules (like taking more than 2 steps after the dribble, over reactions on slight contact from defenders and a host of other disingenuous refereeing) and this advantage grows exponentially.
Rebounds are a moot point due to position, although Kobe was a tenacious rebounder for a guard as well as a wonderful passer (something he very rarely gets any credit for)
It took LeBron nearly a decade to grow the stones necessary to become a winner and reliable leader when the money was on the line.
This is a HUGE area where Kobe will always have him dominated. Kobe was a mere 21 when he took over that game in Indiana and by the age of 22 was the most ferocious and unstoppable player in the league, hands down. Even Shaq backed that one up. And each and every year after that Kobe added and added to his game until he had more stuff in his bag then Merlin.
LeBron still has no signature move he can rely on when the clock is ticking down and that is only one of the many reasons I would always trust Kobe in those waning moments that decide who is going to pull victory out of the ether.
Both top 10 players. But Kobe just better, Brother
_________________
Mamba Made Moments Meticulously Magnificent |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
kikanga
Retired Number
Joined: 15 Sep 2012
Posts: 29331
Location: La La Land
|
| Posted: Thu Jan 23, 2020 7:11 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Don't forget posting above the quotes like this. LAAAAABROONNNN! ESPN RANKINGS!!!!
| LaLaLakeShow wrote: | | LandsbergerRules wrote: | | Beir32 wrote: | | Mamba81 wrote: | | why this dude always referring to kobe as "bryant" and referring to lebron as "LABron" smh.. cmon bro. |
Because he’s a troll. It’s meant to annoy. |
Lol yup. |
We cracked the case |
_________________
"Every hurt is a lesson, and every lesson makes you better” |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Mamba81
Star Player
Joined: 19 Nov 2019
Posts: 2027
|
| Posted: Thu Jan 23, 2020 7:21 pm Post subject: |
|
|
lebron says all the right things its hard to hate. but then his stans make it easy.
_________________
Kobe Forever |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
