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PostPosted: Thu Nov 07, 2019 7:42 am    Post subject: Kobe v. LBJ

I hate having this conversation, b/c one is retired and the other is still actively playing for our Lakers and is a key component to any title run.

In an effort to clean up the LBJ thread, here you go. Have at it.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 07, 2019 7:44 am    Post subject:

Haha good stuff, yinoma. It would be great if we could keep ALL Kobe vs. Lebron talk here. I'll start. In a seven game series to win it all, I'd pick prime Kobe over prime Lebron.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 07, 2019 7:45 am    Post subject:

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Haha good stuff, yinoma. It would be great if we could keep ALL Kobe vs. Lebron talk here. I'll start. In a seven game series to win it all, I'd pick prime Kobe over prime Lebron.


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Haha good stuff, yinoma. It would be great if we could keep ALL Kobe vs. Lebron talk here. I'll start. In a seven game series to win it all, I'd pick prime Kobe over prime Lebron.


Interestingly they would be such a great duo together.

I've always said that you take LBJ for 3.5 quarters of a game. Like he's the best ever at that point.

It's the last .5 quarter that he gets somewhat iffy. That's when guys like Kobe/MJ seem to flourish a bit more, though in all honesty, LBJ's "clutch" stats are pretty good too.
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yinoma2001 wrote:
LandsbergerRules wrote:
Haha good stuff, yinoma. It would be great if we could keep ALL Kobe vs. Lebron talk here. I'll start. In a seven game series to win it all, I'd pick prime Kobe over prime Lebron.


Interestingly they would be such a great duo together.

I've always said that you take LBJ for 3.5 quarters of a game. Like he's the best ever at that point.

It's the last .5 quarter that he gets somewhat iffy. That's when guys like Kobe/MJ seem to flourish a bit more, though in all honesty, LBJ's "clutch" stats are pretty good too.


If they could’ve teamed up it would have been lights out for the league.
And to your point about clutch time, I think they would have made plays for each other and taken turns shutting the door
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Haha good stuff, yinoma. It would be great if we could keep ALL Kobe vs. Lebron talk here. I'll start. In a seven game series to win it all, I'd pick prime Kobe over prime Lebron.


Interestingly they would be such a great duo together.

I've always said that you take LBJ for 3.5 quarters of a game. Like he's the best ever at that point.

It's the last .5 quarter that he gets somewhat iffy. That's when guys like Kobe/MJ seem to flourish a bit more, though in all honesty, LBJ's "clutch" stats are pretty good too.


If they could’ve teamed up it would have been lights out for the league.
And to your point about clutch time, I think they would have made plays for each other and taken turns shutting the door


I could never put my finger on it, but LBJ never doing the dunk contest is some sort of psychological thing. I think he is a bit afraid of failure while someone like Kobe will run into a brick wall over and over again, to great success and failure. But LBJ will not want to do that as he is more calculated.

I think some pressure moments have sort of revealed that. Though of course, he is always going to be in the conversation for best all time IMO.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 07, 2019 7:52 am    Post subject:

i know this much, if we swap a 35 year old LBJ with a 35 year old Kobe, our supporting cast (namely anyone other than AD) would not play this hard on both ends of the floor. just my personal opinion, don't get excited Kobe fans.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 07, 2019 7:53 am    Post subject:

LandsbergerRules wrote:
Haha good stuff, yinoma. It would be great if we could keep ALL Kobe vs. Lebron talk here. I'll start. In a seven game series to win it all, I'd pick prime Kobe over prime Lebron.


That's tricky... To me it would depend on the make up of the team. I've seen both guys come up huge in a seven game series. But if it goes to game 7, I will have to go with Lebron just with history alone.
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yinoma2001 wrote:
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Haha good stuff, yinoma. It would be great if we could keep ALL Kobe vs. Lebron talk here. I'll start. In a seven game series to win it all, I'd pick prime Kobe over prime Lebron.


Interestingly they would be such a great duo together.

I've always said that you take LBJ for 3.5 quarters of a game. Like he's the best ever at that point.

It's the last .5 quarter that he gets somewhat iffy. That's when guys like Kobe/MJ seem to flourish a bit more, though in all honesty, LBJ's "clutch" stats are pretty good too.


If they could’ve teamed up it would have been lights out for the league.
And to your point about clutch time, I think they would have made plays for each other and taken turns shutting the door


I could never put my finger on it, but LBJ never doing the dunk contest is some sort of psychological thing. I think he is a bit afraid of failure while someone like Kobe will run into a brick wall over and over again, to great success and failure. But LBJ will not want to do that as he is more calculated.

I think some pressure moments have sort of revealed that. Though of course, he is always going to be in the conversation for best all time IMO.


As they both should be. I honestly have no problem with a fan who believes LeBron is better overall. I just hate when they use absolutist language. It demeans other opinions from the jump. No fun to talk hoops at that point.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 07, 2019 7:55 am    Post subject:

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i know this much, if we swap a 35 year old LBJ with a 35 year old Kobe, our supporting cast (namely anyone other than AD) would not play this hard on both ends of the floor. just my personal opinion, don't get excited Kobe fans.


I’m curious why you assume that. Is it because Kobe had slipped defensively by that point?
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i know this much, if we swap a 35 year old LBJ with a 35 year old Kobe, our supporting cast (namely anyone other than AD) would not play this hard on both ends of the floor. just my personal opinion, don't get excited Kobe fans.


I’m curious why you assume that. Is it because Kobe had slipped defensively by that point?


No way to know b/c Kobe was already hurt right?

I think LBJ would hold up better thanks to his 6'8 (almost nearly 6'9 it seems), 260 pound frame. Whereas Kobe had to effectively downsize to "SF" at times towards the end (and be outsized physically), LBJ, can downsize to "PF" and still be physically imposing.
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i know this much, if we swap a 35 year old LBJ with a 35 year old Kobe, our supporting cast (namely anyone other than AD) would not play this hard on both ends of the floor. just my personal opinion, don't get excited Kobe fans.


I’m curious why you assume that. Is it because Kobe had slipped defensively by that point?


because supporting cast prefer playing with LeBron more than Kobe. this has been well documented. players are all ball watching when Kobe does his thing, cuz they knew he wouldn't pass. Kobe belongs in the era of iso ball. different era, different playing style.
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Haha good stuff, yinoma. It would be great if we could keep ALL Kobe vs. Lebron talk here. I'll start. In a seven game series to win it all, I'd pick prime Kobe over prime Lebron.


Interestingly they would be such a great duo together.

I've always said that you take LBJ for 3.5 quarters of a game. Like he's the best ever at that point.

It's the last .5 quarter that he gets somewhat iffy. That's when guys like Kobe/MJ seem to flourish a bit more, though in all honesty, LBJ's "clutch" stats are pretty good too.


If they could’ve teamed up it would have been lights out for the league.
And to your point about clutch time, I think they would have made plays for each other and taken turns shutting the door


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i know this much, if we swap a 35 year old LBJ with a 35 year old Kobe, our supporting cast (namely anyone other than AD) would not play this hard on both ends of the floor. just my personal opinion, don't get excited Kobe fans.


I’m curious why you assume that. Is it because Kobe had slipped defensively by that point?


because supporting cast prefer playing with LeBron more than Kobe. this has been well documented. players are all ball watching when Kobe does his thing, cuz they knew he wouldn't pass. Kobe belongs in the era of iso ball. different era, different playing style.


Kobe’s back to back title teams played pretty damn hard for him so I think that “fact” might be overblown somewhat
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 07, 2019 8:03 am    Post subject:

I also think Kobe and LBJ are fundamentally different players.

Kobe is just a scoring machine looking to go right at a team's defense. Has more of a Jordan style approach to the game. He's looking to kill you by scoring mostly (though he can pass too) and was always a high usage player in his prime.

LBJ is more of a Magic/Jordan hybrid. I feel like his primary instinct is to control a game, and that sops up usage too. So he's trying to control every facet of the game offensively.

Two different approaches for sure and it makes them tough to compare IMO. Kobe v. Jordan is an easier analysis as they are the same archetype of player. But LBJ? Not an easy archetype given his size and playstyle. Maybe a 6'8/9 version of Oscar Robertson?
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I also think Kobe and LBJ are fundamentally different players.

Kobe is just a scoring machine looking to go right at a team's defense. Has more of a Jordan style approach to the game. He's looking to kill you by scoring mostly (though he can pass too) and was always a high usage player in his prime.

LBJ is more of a Magic/Jordan hybrid. I feel like his primary instinct is to control a game, and that sops up usage too. So he's trying to control every facet of the game offensively.

Two different approaches for sure and it makes them tough to compare IMO. Kobe v. Jordan is an easier analysis as they are the same archetype of player. But LBJ? Not an easy archetype given his size and playstyle. Maybe a 6'8/9 version of Oscar Robertson?


Exactly
Just different mentalities. Kobe never let up. Came at you in waves until you collapsed under the pressure. Stephen Jackson had a great take on this aspect of Kobe’s mentality that had Shannon Sharpe about to lose it a while back Lol.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 07, 2019 8:06 am    Post subject:

Both are elite, but Kobe is better at dealing with hecklers than Bron.

Silently holding up a finger for every ring vs. Telling a dude his lady is embarrassed to be with him.
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Both are elite, but Kobe is better at dealing with hecklers than Bron.

Silently holding up a finger for every ring vs. Telling a dude his lady is embarrassed to be with him.


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 07, 2019 8:13 am    Post subject:

yinoma2001 wrote:
I also think Kobe and LBJ are fundamentally different players.

Kobe is just a scoring machine looking to go right at a team's defense. Has more of a Jordan style approach to the game. He's looking to kill you by scoring mostly (though he can pass too) and was always a high usage player in his prime.

LBJ is more of a Magic/Jordan hybrid. I feel like his primary instinct is to control a game, and that sops up usage too. So he's trying to control every facet of the game offensively.

Two different approaches for sure and it makes them tough to compare IMO. Kobe v. Jordan is an easier analysis as they are the same archetype of player. But LBJ? Not an easy archetype given his size and playstyle. Maybe a 6'8/9 version of Oscar Robertson?


This... It's really comes down to which type of player you prefer. I was a huge MJ fan growing up, and became a Kobe fan when MJ's career was ending. Kobe to me was the closest to MJ. I remember they pushed so hard for Jerry Stackhouse and even Isiaih Rider as next MJ coming.

Lebron is Lebron... I never seen anything like him. Kobe is great but I have seen that act before.
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yinoma2001 wrote:
I also think Kobe and LBJ are fundamentally different players.

Kobe is just a scoring machine looking to go right at a team's defense. Has more of a Jordan style approach to the game. He's looking to kill you by scoring mostly (though he can pass too) and was always a high usage player in his prime.

LBJ is more of a Magic/Jordan hybrid. I feel like his primary instinct is to control a game, and that sops up usage too. So he's trying to control every facet of the game offensively.

Two different approaches for sure and it makes them tough to compare IMO. Kobe v. Jordan is an easier analysis as they are the same archetype of player. But LBJ? Not an easy archetype given his size and playstyle. Maybe a 6'8/9 version of Oscar Robertson?


This... It's really comes down to which type of player you prefer. I was a huge MJ fan growing up, and became a Kobe fan when MJ's career was ending. Kobe to me was the closest to MJ. I remember they pushed so hard for Jerry Stackhouse and even Isiaih Rider as next MJ coming.

Lebron is Lebron... I never seen anything like him. Kobe is great but I have seen that act before.


Give me the act I’ve seen before when it’s a better act. And for me, it is
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 07, 2019 8:15 am    Post subject:

Stephen Jackson knows whats up: https://youtu.be/FOWckNe-BmM?t=302
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 07, 2019 8:15 am    Post subject:

Yea yea yea but can LeBron protrude his lower jaw and scowl to scare his opponents... dont' think so
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Stephen Jackson knows whats up: https://youtu.be/FOWckNe-BmM?t=302


I’ve always liked Stephen Jackson
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governator wrote:
Yea yea yea but can LeBron protrude his lower jaw and scowl to scare his opponents... dont' think so


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 07, 2019 8:17 am    Post subject:

Can't say who is better or not but I feel that if Kobe was in the Heat team instead of Lebron then the Heat would have a 4 peat. Assuming Kobe was entering his prime like Lebron was.
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