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PostPosted: Tue Dec 10, 2019 8:23 am    Post subject:

Lebron is great

id go 1a, 1b no one gets a great nod
only way to compare is to look at teams they were surrounded with

if Kobe, Dwade, Chris Bosh playing in the east would have 4+ championships

Lebron, Pau, Bynum i dont know so much playing in the west.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 10, 2019 9:07 am    Post subject:

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if Kobe, Dwade, Chris Bosh playing in the east would have 4+ championships


I don't know how people can make assertions like this.

What is Kobe's fit with these guys?

Do Wade/Bosh deteriorate in play the same way they did by the end of their Heat tenure? Does Bosh retire early and so on. Winning 2 out of 4 rings is still a feat.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 10, 2019 9:33 am    Post subject:

yinoma2001 wrote:
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if Kobe, Dwade, Chris Bosh playing in the east would have 4+ championships


I don't know how people can make assertions like this.

What is Kobe's fit with these guys?

Do Wade/Bosh deteriorate in play the same way they did by the end of their Heat tenure? Does Bosh retire early and so on. Winning 2 out of 4 rings is still a feat.


If Lebron played in the West during his prime, he’d have 9+ rings. Hypotheticals are fun!
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 10, 2019 9:51 am    Post subject:

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if Kobe, Dwade, Chris Bosh playing in the east would have 4+ championships


I don't know how people can make assertions like this.

What is Kobe's fit with these guys?

Do Wade/Bosh deteriorate in play the same way they did by the end of their Heat tenure? Does Bosh retire early and so on. Winning 2 out of 4 rings is still a feat.

The difference would be Kobe and Miami's deep bench.
Kobe and Wade could easily taking turn as playmaker.
Wade and Bosh certainly were better than Gasol and Odom.
Bosh did not have to be a spot shooter with Wade and Kobe because Kobe could and had proved he could attack the crowded basket with Shaq down low. In fact, Bosh would easily score more easier points with Wade and Kobe.
When you take into account the shooters around the three players, it would be tge opponents' choice to let them attack the basket or get killed by three.
Along with Battier, Kobe, Wade and Bosh could certainly be deadly defensive squad as well. And yes, they got one who would take the last shots if needed.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 10, 2019 9:54 am    Post subject:

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yinoma2001 wrote:
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if Kobe, Dwade, Chris Bosh playing in the east would have 4+ championships


I don't know how people can make assertions like this.

What is Kobe's fit with these guys?

Do Wade/Bosh deteriorate in play the same way they did by the end of their Heat tenure? Does Bosh retire early and so on. Winning 2 out of 4 rings is still a feat.

The difference would be Kobe.
Kobe and Wade could easily taking turn as playmaker.
Wade and Bosh certainly were better than Gasol and Odom.
Bosh did not have to be a spot shooter with Wade and Kobe because Kobe could and had proved he could attack the crowded basket with Shaq down low. In fact, Bosh would easily score more easier points with Wade and Kobe.
When you take into account the shooters around the three players, it would be tge opponents' choice to let them attack the basket or get killed by three.
Along with Battier, Kobe, Wade and Bosh could certainly be deadly defensive squad as well.


So we are now wading into 100% hypotheticals and trying to pass it off as fact?

Maybe Kobe could win 2 out of 4 rings with Wade/Bosh. Maybe he can only win 1. Or 3. What's the point of that?
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 10, 2019 9:58 am    Post subject:

The point is ... well, how can I say ...
Kobe has 2 olympic golds.
And Bron has one MORE bronze.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 10, 2019 10:00 am    Post subject:

yinoma2001 wrote:
moonriver24 wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
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if Kobe, Dwade, Chris Bosh playing in the east would have 4+ championships


I don't know how people can make assertions like this.

What is Kobe's fit with these guys?

Do Wade/Bosh deteriorate in play the same way they did by the end of their Heat tenure? Does Bosh retire early and so on. Winning 2 out of 4 rings is still a feat.

The difference would be Kobe.
Kobe and Wade could easily taking turn as playmaker.
Wade and Bosh certainly were better than Gasol and Odom.
Bosh did not have to be a spot shooter with Wade and Kobe because Kobe could and had proved he could attack the crowded basket with Shaq down low. In fact, Bosh would easily score more easier points with Wade and Kobe.
When you take into account the shooters around the three players, it would be tge opponents' choice to let them attack the basket or get killed by three.
Along with Battier, Kobe, Wade and Bosh could certainly be deadly defensive squad as well.


So we are now wading into 100% hypotheticals and trying to pass it off as fact?

Maybe Kobe could win 2 out of 4 rings with Wade/Bosh. Maybe he can only win 1. Or 3. What's the point of that?


The point of this is that you can’t disprove a hypothetical. That’s its only value. So the beauty is people can just make up whatever they like, however outlandish and write it in a way that seems (or in some cases doesn’t seem) analytical.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 10, 2019 10:01 am    Post subject:

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The point is ... well, how can I say ...
Kobe has 2 olympic golds.
And Bron has one MORE bronze.


But what about your Larry Bird video that you posted? Disregarding it?
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 10, 2019 10:03 am    Post subject:

yinoma2001 wrote:
moonriver24 wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
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if Kobe, Dwade, Chris Bosh playing in the east would have 4+ championships


I don't know how people can make assertions like this.

What is Kobe's fit with these guys?

Do Wade/Bosh deteriorate in play the same way they did by the end of their Heat tenure? Does Bosh retire early and so on. Winning 2 out of 4 rings is still a feat.

The difference would be Kobe.
Kobe and Wade could easily taking turn as playmaker.
Wade and Bosh certainly were better than Gasol and Odom.
Bosh did not have to be a spot shooter with Wade and Kobe because Kobe could and had proved he could attack the crowded basket with Shaq down low. In fact, Bosh would easily score more easier points with Wade and Kobe.
When you take into account the shooters around the three players, it would be tge opponents' choice to let them attack the basket or get killed by three.
Along with Battier, Kobe, Wade and Bosh could certainly be deadly defensive squad as well.


So we are now wading into 100% hypotheticals and trying to pass it off as fact?

Maybe Kobe could win 2 out of 4 rings with Wade/Bosh. Maybe he can only win 1. Or 3. What's the point of that?

It's like saying... what if Lebron is paired with Davis.
Can they be a good duo?
I mean... it's not really hard to figure out...
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 10, 2019 10:05 am    Post subject:

Same thing like asking..."Can Kobe and Davis be agood duo?"
Lol...
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 10, 2019 10:12 am    Post subject:

ringfinger wrote:
moonriver24 wrote:
The point is ... well, how can I say ...
Kobe has 2 olympic golds.
And Bron has one MORE bronze.


But what about your Larry Bird video that you posted? Disregarding it?

No. He chooses Kobe to win rings.
He chooses Bron to have fun.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 10, 2019 10:17 am    Post subject:

ringfinger wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
moonriver24 wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
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if Kobe, Dwade, Chris Bosh playing in the east would have 4+ championships


I don't know how people can make assertions like this.

What is Kobe's fit with these guys?

Do Wade/Bosh deteriorate in play the same way they did by the end of their Heat tenure? Does Bosh retire early and so on. Winning 2 out of 4 rings is still a feat.

The difference would be Kobe.
Kobe and Wade could easily taking turn as playmaker.
Wade and Bosh certainly were better than Gasol and Odom.
Bosh did not have to be a spot shooter with Wade and Kobe because Kobe could and had proved he could attack the crowded basket with Shaq down low. In fact, Bosh would easily score more easier points with Wade and Kobe.
When you take into account the shooters around the three players, it would be tge opponents' choice to let them attack the basket or get killed by three.
Along with Battier, Kobe, Wade and Bosh could certainly be deadly defensive squad as well.


So we are now wading into 100% hypotheticals and trying to pass it off as fact?

Maybe Kobe could win 2 out of 4 rings with Wade/Bosh. Maybe he can only win 1. Or 3. What's the point of that?


The point of this is that you can’t disprove a hypothetical. That’s its only value. So the beauty is people can just make up whatever they like, however outlandish and write it in a way that seems (or in some cases doesn’t seem) analytical.


Or they actually believe it.
Kinda like fans here already planning a victory parade in June.
The idea that Kobe could do better than 2 out of 4 with that Miami lineup is not that outlandish
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 10, 2019 10:24 am    Post subject:

They added Ray Allen too.
Let me see this line up:
Pg Wade
Sg Allen
Sf Kobe
Pf Bosh
C Z

BENCH:
Battier
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 10, 2019 10:36 am    Post subject:

ringfinger wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
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if Kobe, Dwade, Chris Bosh playing in the east would have 4+ championships


I don't know how people can make assertions like this.

What is Kobe's fit with these guys?

Do Wade/Bosh deteriorate in play the same way they did by the end of their Heat tenure? Does Bosh retire early and so on. Winning 2 out of 4 rings is still a feat.


If Lebron played in the West during his prime, he’d have 9+ rings. Hypotheticals are fun!


Considering he played in the weaker East and was limited to 3, for some reason I dont see it. But I agree that pretty much hypos are a non-factor in these talks. Because anything could have happened.
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Mods, can you add a poll to this thread? Interested to see how it would go.


I could, but I won't. This thread is already a pain in the butt to moderate without throwing more fuel on the fire.


Maybe get yinoma to be moderator just for this thread. Or me lol.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 10, 2019 10:47 am    Post subject:

ringfinger wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
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if Kobe, Dwade, Chris Bosh playing in the east would have 4+ championships


I don't know how people can make assertions like this.

What is Kobe's fit with these guys?

Do Wade/Bosh deteriorate in play the same way they did by the end of their Heat tenure? Does Bosh retire early and so on. Winning 2 out of 4 rings is still a feat.


If Lebron played in the West during his prime, he’d have 9+ rings. Hypotheticals are fun!


Okay, let’s play..

Hypothetically, if we switched out LeBron for Rudy Gay right now are the Lakers still one of the favorites to win the West?

Hypotheticals are not nonsense just because. They become nonsense when you make them so. Arguing that Kobe could have won more rings in Miami if you switched out he and James is not a laughable hypothetical. It’s a reasonable one.

See the difference?
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 10, 2019 10:48 am    Post subject:

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ChefLinda wrote:
CandyCanes wrote:
Mods, can you add a poll to this thread? Interested to see how it would go.


I could, but I won't. This thread is already a pain in the butt to moderate without throwing more fuel on the fire.


Maybe get yinoma to be moderator just for this thread. Or me lol.


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 10, 2019 10:51 am    Post subject:

Rudy Gay... and Davis...
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 10, 2019 10:53 am    Post subject:

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Rudy Gay... and Davis...


Hahaha
Terrible thought
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 10, 2019 11:06 am    Post subject:

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Rudy Gay... and Davis...


Rudy Gay vs. Demar thread is next lol.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 10, 2019 11:06 am    Post subject:

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LandsbergerRules wrote:
ChefLinda wrote:
CandyCanes wrote:
Mods, can you add a poll to this thread? Interested to see how it would go.


I could, but I won't. This thread is already a pain in the butt to moderate without throwing more fuel on the fire.


Maybe get yinoma to be moderator just for this thread. Or me lol.


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 10, 2019 11:27 am    Post subject:

LaLaLakeShow wrote:
ringfinger wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
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if Kobe, Dwade, Chris Bosh playing in the east would have 4+ championships


I don't know how people can make assertions like this.

What is Kobe's fit with these guys?

Do Wade/Bosh deteriorate in play the same way they did by the end of their Heat tenure? Does Bosh retire early and so on. Winning 2 out of 4 rings is still a feat.


If Lebron played in the West during his prime, he’d have 9+ rings. Hypotheticals are fun!


Okay, let’s play..

Hypothetically, if we switched out LeBron for Rudy Gay right now are the Lakers still one of the favorites to win the West?

Hypotheticals are not nonsense just because. They become nonsense when you make them so. Arguing that Kobe could have won more rings in Miami if you switched out he and James is not a laughable hypothetical. It’s a reasonable one.

See the difference?


That idea that Kobe would have won 4 championships in Miami is laughable.

See the difference?
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ringfinger wrote:
LaLaLakeShow wrote:
ringfinger wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
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if Kobe, Dwade, Chris Bosh playing in the east would have 4+ championships


I don't know how people can make assertions like this.

What is Kobe's fit with these guys?

Do Wade/Bosh deteriorate in play the same way they did by the end of their Heat tenure? Does Bosh retire early and so on. Winning 2 out of 4 rings is still a feat.


If Lebron played in the West during his prime, he’d have 9+ rings. Hypotheticals are fun!


Okay, let’s play..

Hypothetically, if we switched out LeBron for Rudy Gay right now are the Lakers still one of the favorites to win the West?

Hypotheticals are not nonsense just because. They become nonsense when you make them so. Arguing that Kobe could have won more rings in Miami if you switched out he and James is not a laughable hypothetical. It’s a reasonable one.

See the difference?


That idea that Kobe would have won 4 championships in Miami is laughable.

See the difference?


Nope.
People claim all the time that if Jordan hadn’t retired mid 90’s that the Bulls would have won 8 straight. It’s said all the time.

My point about hypotheticals remains, and stands in contrast to what you claimed about them. (That they’re ONLY purpose is to rig an argument)

That’s more laughable a statement than saying Kobe could’ve won that much in Miami. And I never said 4 in a row, btw.
But 3 out of 4 is not hard for me to imagine.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 10, 2019 11:41 am    Post subject:

The point of this is that you can’t disprove a hypothetical. That’s its only value.[/quote]

This is the statement you made.
I can’t believe you actually think this.
Hypotheticals have tremendous value. They’re not a cheat code.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 10, 2019 11:42 am    Post subject:

moonriver24 wrote:
ringfinger wrote:
moonriver24 wrote:
The point is ... well, how can I say ...
Kobe has 2 olympic golds.
And Bron has one MORE bronze.


But what about your Larry Bird video that you posted? Disregarding it?

No. He chooses Kobe to win rings.
He chooses Bron to have fun.



Actually that video was shot during the 2nd Heat season before LeBron got his first ring. Wonder what he would have to say about it now? LeBron James = 3x NBA finals MVP
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