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 Posted: Wed Nov 20, 2019 11:28 am Post subject: 2019-2020 Race to MVP |
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According to the Kia MVP Ladder on 15 November, Giannis Antetokounmpo (Milwaukee Bucks) is the leader in the MVP race. Lebron James (LA Lakers) is #2. James Harden (Houston Rockets) at #3. Kemba Walker (Boston Celtics) at #4. Pascal Siakam (Toronto Raptors) at #5.
Is this a good reflection of the early MVP race for 2019-2020? Should James and Davis be higher? Will they cancel themselves out? Is Lebron having his best season in years? Is he capable of securing another MVP trophy, this time as a Lakers?
The LA Lakers haven't had a regular season MVP since 2008. Is this the year that this changes?
15 November 2019:
1 - Giannis Antetokounmpo, Milwaukee Bucks
2 - Lebron James, LA Lakers
3 - James Harden, Houston Rockets
4 - Kemba Walker, Boston Celtics
5 - Pascal Siakam, Toronto Raptors
22 November 2019:
1 - Giannis Antetokounmpo, Milwaukee Bucks
2 - Lebron James, LA Lakers
3 - Luka Doncic, Dallas Mavericks
4 - James Harden, Houston Rockets
5 - Kawhi Leonard, LA Clippers
29 November 2019:
1 - Giannis Antetokounmpo, Milwaukee Bucks
2 - Lebron James, LA Lakers
3 - Kemba Walker, Boston Celtics
4 - Luka Doncic, Dallas Mavericks
5 - James Harden, Houston Rockets
6 December 2019:
1 - Giannis Antetokounmpo, Milwaukee Bucks
2 - Luka Doncic, Dallas Mavericks
3 - Lebron James, LA Lakers
4 - James Harden, Houston Rockets
5 - Pascal Siakam, Toronto Raptors
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This will be updated as these rankings are updated.
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governator
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| It's between Giannis, LeBron and Harden unless PG13 goes on an insane tear |
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| Haven't really followed the League outside of the Lakers. Just saw the stats on Giannis. Damn. If both LeBron and Giannis play like this all year it's a toss up. Voters not wanting to give a repeat or LeBron not being in the conversation for a little bit might help. We'll see. |
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Ok, maybe, he goin super Saiyan tonight |
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| governator wrote: |
Ok, maybe, he goin super Saiyan tonight |
30 point triple double in only 3 quarters
Kid is only his 2nd year too dayum
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It'll be Giannis vs Harden again. Can see record determining the winner. Think Lebron gets "penalized" for having AD.
But here's a nice stat i heard on the Ringer NBA pod: the Regular season MVP has doubled as the Finals MVP only 5 times in NBA history. One of the biggest criteria for a regular season MVP is "i had less help than you." But that also means you won't have enough help to win a championship  |
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| pjiddy wrote: | It'll be Giannis vs Harden again. Can see record determining the winner. Think Lebron gets "penalized" for having AD.
But here's a nice stat i heard on the Ringer NBA pod: the Regular season MVP has doubled as the Finals MVP only 5 times in NBA history. One of the biggest criteria for a regular season MVP is "i had less help than you." But that also means you won't have enough help to win a championship |
The same player has won regular season MVP and finals MVP 15 out of 50 years. The regular season MVP has won a ring but not the finals MVP the same year 3 to 5 times I believe. So the regular season MVP wins a ring probably about 40% of the time.
I don't think it's so much "I had less help than you," than if you have a teammate who is also an MVP candidate so you split some of the vote. Other than a Durant/Curry situation, where voters aren't sure who the top guy is, I don't think the quality of teammates is a factor in how people vote.
So if Lebron continues to have a great season and is perceived to be the #1 guy, and the Lakers have a great record, I doubt having AD as a teammate will keep him from winning MVP.
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| Nash Vegas wrote: | | governator wrote: |
Ok, maybe, he goin super Saiyan tonight |
30 point triple double in only 3 quarters
Kid is only his 2nd year too dayum |
Mis match for opposing PGs, teams need to start shift their SF/SG to guard him. BI did an excellent job last year |
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Tbh my real MVP is going to be LeBron James no homer because Kobe is the goat in my eyes
But what LeBron James is doing right now in his 17th year leading the league in assists, 6th in Per, best record in the NBA right now dude is easily early favorite MVP he really is playing good basketball and he looks like he's still coasting until the 4fh quarter I really wish I could have appreciated his greatness it's going to be a sad day when he retires
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If the Clippers keep winning I can see PG13 win the MVP. You know how ESPN and the media is in love with the Clips.
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kemba in no way deserves even close to 4
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| nickuku wrote: | | kemba in no way deserves even close to 4 |
Not even the best player on his team. Tatum has been better and contributes on both ends.
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| Freak and AD together would just be insane defensively. I can dream. |
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| pjiddy wrote: | It'll be Giannis vs Harden again. Can see record determining the winner. Think Lebron gets "penalized" for having AD.
But here's a nice stat i heard on the Ringer NBA pod: the Regular season MVP has doubled as the Finals MVP only 5 times in NBA history. One of the biggest criteria for a regular season MVP is "i had less help than you." But that also means you won't have enough help to win a championship |
Harden's efficiency has hurt him in the past despite putting up very good numbers. Probably will hurt him this year too if he continues. |
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| LJ will win the more important award (that being the NBA Finals MVP). |
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| It's a two man race between Giannis, and Bron. If Luka keeps it up he's also another legitimate candidate. |
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| SocalDevin wrote: | | It's a two man race between Giannis, and Bron. If Luka keeps it up he's also another legitimate candidate. |
Harden dropping 40ppg, he in the discussion |
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I got LeBron, Harden, Kemba, Giannis, and Siakam (in that order). You can't be the MVP if you can't shoot, and Giannis was exposed in the playoffs last year (and has shown little improvement shooting this year). In a close game, Giannis becomes a liability outside of his defensive impact.
Also, Kemba absolutely deserves to be in the top 5. Look at how Boston is playing this year vs. last year with Kyrie (despite losing Gordon Hayward). Kemba is the leader of that team and makes them go. I don't see Tatum as the best player on their team this year, and he was being called a bust last year with Kyrie on the team. |
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| governator wrote: | | SocalDevin wrote: | | It's a two man race between Giannis, and Bron. If Luka keeps it up he's also another legitimate candidate. |
Harden dropping 40ppg, he in the discussion |
If he can bring up his efficiency I would agree. That's my standard. Based on the media chatter they don't seem to care too much about how inefficient he's been. I will acknowledge that he's shooting better as of late. |
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| SocalDevin wrote: | | governator wrote: | | SocalDevin wrote: | | It's a two man race between Giannis, and Bron. If Luka keeps it up he's also another legitimate candidate. |
Harden dropping 40ppg, he in the discussion |
If he can bring up his efficiency I would agree. That's my standard. Based on the media chatter they don't seem to care too much about how inefficient he's been. I will acknowledge that he's shooting better as of late. |
His TS% is 62%, averaging 38pts / game and his team is 11-4
I absolutely hate the way he plays the game, hope his team will lose in the first round of the playoffs, but he's definitly in the discussion for regular season MVP... |
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| BadGuy wrote: | I got LeBron, Harden, Kemba, Giannis, and Siakam (in that order). You can't be the MVP if you can't shoot, and Giannis was exposed in the playoffs last year (and has shown little improvement shooting this year). In a close game, Giannis becomes a liability outside of his defensive impact.
Also, Kemba absolutely deserves to be in the top 5. Look at how Boston is playing this year vs. last year with Kyrie (despite losing Gordon Hayward). Kemba is the leader of that team and makes them go. I don't see Tatum as the best player on their team this year, and he was being called a bust last year with Kyrie on the team. |
I haven't watched much of Kemba. How much better is he from yesterday's game? His shrimpiness was exposed yesterday. The refs were pretty bad. But his size was a detriment.
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| BadGuy wrote: | I got LeBron, Harden, Kemba, Giannis, and Siakam (in that order). You can't be the MVP if you can't shoot, and Giannis was exposed in the playoffs last year (and has shown little improvement shooting this year). In a close game, Giannis becomes a liability outside of his defensive impact.
Also, Kemba absolutely deserves to be in the top 5. Look at how Boston is playing this year vs. last year with Kyrie (despite losing Gordon Hayward). Kemba is the leader of that team and makes them go. I don't see Tatum as the best player on their team this year, and he was being called a bust last year with Kyrie on the team. |
Celtics team has always been well coached... They did the same thing and took Lebron up to game 7 in ECF without Kyrie/Hayward also. |
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| epak wrote: | | BadGuy wrote: | I got LeBron, Harden, Kemba, Giannis, and Siakam (in that order). You can't be the MVP if you can't shoot, and Giannis was exposed in the playoffs last year (and has shown little improvement shooting this year). In a close game, Giannis becomes a liability outside of his defensive impact.
Also, Kemba absolutely deserves to be in the top 5. Look at how Boston is playing this year vs. last year with Kyrie (despite losing Gordon Hayward). Kemba is the leader of that team and makes them go. I don't see Tatum as the best player on their team this year, and he was being called a bust last year with Kyrie on the team. |
I haven't watched much of Kemba. How much better is he from yesterday's game? His shrimpiness was exposed yesterday. The refs were pretty bad. But his size was a detriment. |
Refs blew multiple critical calls late in the game. First, the foul by Lou Williams on Kemba's drive. Then, the charge that was ruled a blocking foul by the refs despite Kemba being way outside the restricted area and in position to take the charge. Kemba had one of his worst games this season last night, and he has taken over other games for the Celtics to win. |
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| miggz23 wrote: | | BadGuy wrote: | I got LeBron, Harden, Kemba, Giannis, and Siakam (in that order). You can't be the MVP if you can't shoot, and Giannis was exposed in the playoffs last year (and has shown little improvement shooting this year). In a close game, Giannis becomes a liability outside of his defensive impact.
Also, Kemba absolutely deserves to be in the top 5. Look at how Boston is playing this year vs. last year with Kyrie (despite losing Gordon Hayward). Kemba is the leader of that team and makes them go. I don't see Tatum as the best player on their team this year, and he was being called a bust last year with Kyrie on the team. |
Celtics team has always been well coached... They did the same thing and took Lebron up to game 7 in ECF without Kyrie/Hayward also. |
Taking LeBron to game 7 with the bum squad he was running on the Cavs (JR Smith as the second best player) isn't exactly an accomplishment. |
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