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pjiddy
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| mad55557777 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | defense wrote: | | WE SCORE JUST FINE. Done away with the third option cliche already |
Who scores when Lebron and/or AD are out? |
who was our third option in the Kobe/Shaq era?
answer is No One!!!
Phil always leave 1 in. Vogel is doing the same.
now the issue is that AD doesn't always score like a number 1 guy. |
Not even sure why we need a second option! Who was our second option when we had George Mikan? Answer is no one!!! |
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| Posted: Wed Nov 27, 2019 2:22 pm Post subject: |
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | Grant was, LO was, Horry was, even Bynum was. Especially when Shaq was hurt. I’m not counting Malone and Payton. |
LO was elite at his role not because of scoring. He was valuable because of his ability to handle the ball and switch on D, and create chances with rebounds both as put backs or transition points. It was not really as a guy that would break down the defense with his dribble - he would usually just sit back.
Now this is a different time, different era and different offense. But we have scoring ability - like Danny Green. KCP. Kuzma. Even Dwight. None of the Laker teams around Shaq-Kobe had scorers like that in their later run. Of course AD is no where like Shaq on offense, so it is required we need more impact scoring role players.
Point is, I do not think we lack a 3rd option. What we lack IMO is a guy that can create his shot and carry the bench when BOTH AD and Lebron rest. We really could use a guy that for 8-10 minutes could take over a game. It was supposed to be maybe Kuzma, but he is not showing to be that guy, and may not be that guy until he figures out how to play with this kind of slower paced offense. Totally, we could use a backup PG that can go off for a bit. That kind of player can go both ways though. He does well, you want him to play out the game, and then he does not fit well with Lebron. How many impact guys like that who are scoring PGs would want a 15-17 minute role. I know a guy like DRose could be this guy for us, but as we saw in Cleveland, he did not fit with LBJ. It is easy to say we need this player, but it is hard sell for a quality backup PG to do that. |
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| Posted: Wed Nov 27, 2019 2:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Jamal Crawford? but for who |
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BruceLee-Bron23
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| Posted: Wed Nov 27, 2019 2:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Kobe, Shaq...George Mikan? Jeeze people can we stop living in the past....They were different times and players with different conditioning etc. |
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| BruceLee-Bron23 wrote: | | Kobe, Shaq...George Mikan? Jeeze people can we stop living in the past....They were different times and players with different conditioning etc. |
Who was GSW's consistent 3rd option?
Who was Toronto's consistent 3rd option?
Who was Cavs consistent 3rd option? |
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wolfpaclaker
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| epak wrote: | | BruceLee-Bron23 wrote: | | Kobe, Shaq...George Mikan? Jeeze people can we stop living in the past....They were different times and players with different conditioning etc. |
Who was GSW's consistent 3rd option?
Who was Toronto's consistent 3rd option?
Who was Cavs consistent 3rd option? |
Toronto did not have a dominant 2nd option like we do, but they had Pascal who has turned out to be an all-star now. He was a big part of their playoff run. Hopefully Kuzma can eventually step up as well. He has talent to score, he just does not seem in flow with the slower offense, yet.
In regards to CLE and State - they had all-star level 3rd guys in Love and Klay respectively. Golden State was the most dominant offense team in the last 20 years IMO. With a healthy Durant, they were pretty much unbeatable.
What this Laker team has to do is become dominant defensively, State was dominant on offense. Lakers hopefully can become dominant defensively, and then have a great offense. Not all time great, but maybe the defense can be, the potential is there to be an all time defensive team. |
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| Kobe_Is_King13 wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | More than a "3rd option," I'm looking for a reliable player who can create and score off the dribble and not be a defensive sieve. |
Yeah,
I was a huge Kuz fan and thought that it was the right move to keep him over Ingram. Now it's looking like the exact opposite. Kuz thrives when he gets consistent looks and with Bron and AD, he just isn't going to get the same amount/consistency of touches as he did his first 2 seasons. That seems to have messed with his confidence. He's thinking way too much on the offensive end instead of attacking when either or both are out of the game.
If we're going to beat some of the better teams, we're gonna need him to raise his level of play. He doesn't have to be a fringe star, but we have to be able to rely on him for 15-17 points a game. If he was doing that consistently a lot of these close games wouldn't have been such nailbitters. |
Despite coping with two injuries this season, Kuz is scoring near his career average in points per 36 minutes (18.8 this season compared to 19.4 for his career) at his highest yet true shooting percentage (.562 compared to career average of .549).
Let's have a little patience with our players. Given how solid Kuz looked in the last few games before he injured his eye, I’m confident he'll pick back up. |
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slavavov
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Kuz is good at creating his own shot, but for some reason he's not being aggressive enough. When wither AD or LeBron are in but the other is out, Kuz needs to be that second option and exploit the open spots on the court.
As far as needing a guard who can create his own shot, it has to be Bradley when he comes back. He's averaged 14-16 points a game several years in a row, and he can push the ball and attack in transition so that LeBron doesn't always have to be the guy who does that.
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| Posted: Wed Nov 27, 2019 5:13 pm Post subject: |
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| slavavov wrote: | Kuz is good at creating his own shot, but for some reason he's not being aggressive enough. When wither AD or LeBron are in but the other is out, Kuz needs to be that second option and exploit the open spots on the court.
As far as needing a guard who can create his own shot, it has to be Bradley when he comes back. He's averaged 14-16 points a game several years in a row, and he can push the ball and attack in transition so that LeBron doesn't always have to be the guy who does that. |
Kuz is not good at creating his own shot.
He needs a lead guard because he is good at spot up 3s and mostly, cutting off the ball. |
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If KCP can improve from 15 points a game to ... 20 points a game, then BAM there's our third option 
That's only 1 more 3 a game from the numbers he's been putting up recently. He can do that, just run more plays for him |
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| Posted: Wed Nov 27, 2019 5:37 pm Post subject: |
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| drae wrote: | If KCP can improve from 15 points a game to ... 20 points a game, then BAM there's our third option
That's only 1 more 3 a game from the numbers he's been putting up recently. He can do that, just run more plays for him |
Not nearly a capable enough ballhandler to create his own shot, not enough vision to create for others. He's a strictly cut or C&S guy. |
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| drae wrote: | If KCP can improve from 15 points a game to ... 20 points a game, then BAM there's our third option
That's only 1 more 3 a game from the numbers he's been putting up recently. He can do that, just run more plays for him |
Or to 35 points a game. Boom. First option! |
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| wolfpaclaker wrote: | Our 3rd option should be balance IMO.
If the defense can not contain our Centers, McGee and Dwight should go off for 25.
If they leave our shooters open, Green should go off.
If they leave Kumza open, he should go off.
It should be similar to all other dominant 2 superstar teams. The 3rd option is what the defense gives you, not really a 3rd guy pressing. |
To my astonishment, we have also seen KCP and Rondo go off (relatively) too. Someone *might* become available later this season but right now the 3rd option is by committee. For the Lakers it is, "The Big Two and the Figueroa Zoo."
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| Annihilator wrote: | | wolfpaclaker wrote: | Our 3rd option should be balance IMO.
If the defense can not contain our Centers, McGee and Dwight should go off for 25.
If they leave our shooters open, Green should go off.
If they leave Kumza open, he should go off.
It should be similar to all other dominant 2 superstar teams. The 3rd option is what the defense gives you, not really a 3rd guy pressing. |
To my astonishment, we have also seen KCP and Rondo go off (relatively) too. Someone *might* become available later this season but right now the 3rd option is by committee. For the Lakers it is, "The Big Two and the Figueroa Zoo." |
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| Posted: Wed Nov 27, 2019 6:01 pm Post subject: |
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| ringfinger wrote: | | slavavov wrote: | Kuz is good at creating his own shot, but for some reason he's not being aggressive enough. When wither AD or LeBron are in but the other is out, Kuz needs to be that second option and exploit the open spots on the court.
As far as needing a guard who can create his own shot, it has to be Bradley when he comes back. He's averaged 14-16 points a game several years in a row, and he can push the ball and attack in transition so that LeBron doesn't always have to be the guy who does that. |
Kuz is not good at creating his own shot.
He needs a lead guard because he is good at spot up 3s and mostly, cutting off the ball. |
To some extent he can create his own shot. He may need a lead guard to get him the ball in a sweet spot where he can then go to work, but so fat this season he's been bashful at times about looking for his own offense.
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