Would we have kept Wagner if we didn’t go after KL?
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 27, 2019 8:37 am    Post subject: Would we have kept Wagner if we didn’t go after KL?

I forget the sequence of events this summer. We’re we only trading Wagner to open up a max space for KL? Or were we going to dump Wagner anyway?
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 27, 2019 8:39 am    Post subject:

What would have been the reason to dump him?
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 27, 2019 8:41 am    Post subject:

We might have done a LOT of things differently if we didn't chase Kawhi. Bonga/Wagner were the final cap space casualties.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 27, 2019 8:47 am    Post subject:

Watched some Wagner this season, he would be a nightmare as the stretch 5 paired with AD.

Like a more agile, dynamic Brook Lopez.

Oh well. Lots of talent given up by the Lakers, let’s hope it all works out with a chip or two.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 27, 2019 8:48 am    Post subject:

LakerSD wrote:
Watched some Wagner this season, he would be a nightmare as the stretch 5 paired with AD.

Like a more agile, dynamic Brook Lopez.

Oh well. Lots of talent given up by the Lakers, let’s hope it all works out with a chip or two.


Basically, Bonga/Wags were the casualty of Deng's 5m+ cap hold.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 27, 2019 8:53 am    Post subject:

Admit I didn't see Wagner play this year, but I'm always careful with players putting good stats for one of the worst team in the league. Sure it's unfortunate we had to dump him for nothing (going after KL was worth the shot), but would he even be playing if he played for the Lakers ? Do we go after Dwight if we keep him ?
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 27, 2019 10:19 am    Post subject:

He wouldn't be getting any minutes on this team.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 27, 2019 11:16 am    Post subject:

yinoma2001 wrote:
LakerSD wrote:
Watched some Wagner this season, he would be a nightmare as the stretch 5 paired with AD.

Like a more agile, dynamic Brook Lopez.

Oh well. Lots of talent given up by the Lakers, let’s hope it all works out with a chip or two.


Basically, Bonga/Wags were the casualty of Deng's 5m+ cap hold.


Or I suppose if we could have delayed the AD trade 30 days.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 27, 2019 11:19 am    Post subject:

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yinoma2001 wrote:
LakerSD wrote:
Watched some Wagner this season, he would be a nightmare as the stretch 5 paired with AD.

Like a more agile, dynamic Brook Lopez.

Oh well. Lots of talent given up by the Lakers, let’s hope it all works out with a chip or two.


Basically, Bonga/Wags were the casualty of Deng's 5m+ cap hold.


Or I suppose if we could have delayed the AD trade 30 days.


But that would have meant we didn't have the cap space to chase KL, right?
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 27, 2019 12:12 pm    Post subject:

DancingBarry wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
LakerSD wrote:
Watched some Wagner this season, he would be a nightmare as the stretch 5 paired with AD.

Like a more agile, dynamic Brook Lopez.

Oh well. Lots of talent given up by the Lakers, let’s hope it all works out with a chip or two.


Basically, Bonga/Wags were the casualty of Deng's 5m+ cap hold.


Or I suppose if we could have delayed the AD trade 30 days.


Because every opposing GM has always wanted to help the Lakers, even if it costs their own team cap space. Such a tragic failure for our FO not to realize this, we could've kept one of the worst defensive Centers in the league and let Dwight go to the Clippers.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 27, 2019 12:17 pm    Post subject:

Wagner as a backup of would have made us darn near unbeatable
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 27, 2019 12:22 pm    Post subject:

h2omike wrote:
Wagner as a backup of would have made us darn near unbeatable


Whose minutes does he take?
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 27, 2019 12:25 pm    Post subject:

Agreed - we gave up some serviceable players to get AD.

Can we move on now?
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 27, 2019 12:29 pm    Post subject:

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Admit I didn't see Wagner play this year, but I'm always careful with players putting good stats for one of the worst team in the league. Sure it's unfortunate we had to dump him for nothing (going after KL was worth the shot), but would he even be playing if he played for the Lakers ? Do we go after Dwight if we keep him ?


I doubt that we go after Cousins if we kept him
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 27, 2019 12:30 pm    Post subject:

Laker_Dynasty_01 wrote:
DancingBarry wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
LakerSD wrote:
Watched some Wagner this season, he would be a nightmare as the stretch 5 paired with AD.

Like a more agile, dynamic Brook Lopez.

Oh well. Lots of talent given up by the Lakers, let’s hope it all works out with a chip or two.


Basically, Bonga/Wags were the casualty of Deng's 5m+ cap hold.


Or I suppose if we could have delayed the AD trade 30 days.


Because every opposing GM has always wanted to help the Lakers, even if it costs their own team cap space. Such a tragic failure for our FO not to realize this, we could've kept one of the worst defensive Centers in the league and let Dwight go to the Clippers.


The Clippers never pursued Howard.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 27, 2019 12:45 pm    Post subject:

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Admit I didn't see Wagner play this year, but I'm always careful with players putting good stats for one of the worst team in the league. Sure it's unfortunate we had to dump him for nothing (going after KL was worth the shot), but would he even be playing if he played for the Lakers ? Do we go after Dwight if we keep him ?


I doubt that we go after Cousins if we kept him


I doubt Wagner is the reason we go or not after Cousins…
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 27, 2019 12:52 pm    Post subject:

It would have been nice if Wagner could have saved us from wasting money on Cousins. Instead spend on a PG.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 27, 2019 12:53 pm    Post subject:

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It would have been nice if Wagner could have saved us from wasting money on Cousins. Instead spend on a PG.


which PG did you have in mind? (beside Cook, Caruso, Daniels, Rondo and Avery Bradley)
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 27, 2019 1:13 pm    Post subject:

ocho wrote:
What would have been the reason to dump him?


Bring in proven vets.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 27, 2019 1:13 pm    Post subject:

venturalakersfan wrote:
It would have been nice if Wagner could have saved us from wasting money on Cousins. Instead spend on a PG.


Except had we kept Wagner, we still would have spend money on Cousins. It's Howard who wouldn' be here IMO...
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 27, 2019 1:22 pm    Post subject:

durden-tyler wrote:
venturalakersfan wrote:
It would have been nice if Wagner could have saved us from wasting money on Cousins. Instead spend on a PG.


Except had we kept Wagner, we still would have spend money on Cousins. It's Howard who wouldn' be here IMO...


Nope. Howard would have been here so long as DMC didnt hurt himself.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 27, 2019 1:26 pm    Post subject:

ringfinger wrote:
durden-tyler wrote:
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It would have been nice if Wagner could have saved us from wasting money on Cousins. Instead spend on a PG.


Except had we kept Wagner, we still would have spend money on Cousins. It's Howard who wouldn' be here IMO...


Nope. Howard would have been here so long as DMC didnt hurt himself.


Not sure I get your point here, you think we'd have McGee + Wagner + Cousins + Howard ?
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 27, 2019 1:29 pm    Post subject:

durden-tyler wrote:
ringfinger wrote:
durden-tyler wrote:
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It would have been nice if Wagner could have saved us from wasting money on Cousins. Instead spend on a PG.


Except had we kept Wagner, we still would have spend money on Cousins. It's Howard who wouldn' be here IMO...


Nope. Howard would have been here so long as DMC didnt hurt himself.


Not sure I get your point here, you think we'd have McGee + Wagner + Cousins + Howard ?


Yes.

Having Cousins is not having Cousins. Remove from your list.

We would have McGee/Wagner/Howard

And probably not ... oh... im going to say Quinn Cook since I think he was signed with cap space.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 27, 2019 1:40 pm    Post subject:

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Not sure I get your point here, you think we'd have McGee + Wagner + Cousins + Howard ?


Yes.

Having Cousins is not having Cousins. Remove from your list.

We would have McGee/Wagner/Howard

And probably not ... oh... im going to say Quinn Cook since I think he was signed with cap space.

OK, I don't agree with you, because I think with Wagner as an option at center, even with Cousins injury, I'm not sure they would be desperate to sign a center, which they were when they tried Howard and Noah in workouts. But that's just my opinion, you may be right... One thing is for sure, we are very very lucky with Howard, the odds of him playing for the Lakers this year were very low...
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 27, 2019 2:35 pm    Post subject:

durden-tyler wrote:
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Not sure I get your point here, you think we'd have McGee + Wagner + Cousins + Howard ?


Yes.

Having Cousins is not having Cousins. Remove from your list.

We would have McGee/Wagner/Howard

And probably not ... oh... im going to say Quinn Cook since I think he was signed with cap space.

OK, I don't agree with you, because I think with Wagner as an option at center, even with Cousins injury, I'm not sure they would be desperate to sign a center, which they were when they tried Howard and Noah in workouts. But that's just my opinion, you may be right... One thing is for sure, we are very very lucky with Howard, the odds of him playing for the Lakers this year were very low...


We have 4 PGs none of which were or are seriously injured. So the idea we might have had 4 bigs (one of whom isn’t playable due to injury, so 3 playable) isn’t that crazy. Plus, one of the bigs cannot regularly play over 25 mins (McGee). So just having Mo would very be unlikely to me.

It would have been Mo spending some time at 4 and 3rd string 5, Howard (or other cente) as backup 5. McGee starter. DMC waiting.
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