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andrewc
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 Posted: Wed Nov 27, 2019 4:29 am Post subject: Scenarios for getting a 3rd option on offense? |
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| I know the most likely scenario is that we hold pat with the hopes that Kuzma turns into our 3rd scoring option, but just wondering what other possible options may be out there for us to sign/trade said option? Like what about trading for one of Denver's G/F such as Malik Beasley? |
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| Posted: Wed Nov 27, 2019 5:03 am Post subject: |
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| WE SCORE JUST FINE. Done away with the third option cliche already |
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Our 3rd option should be balance IMO.
If the defense can not contain our Centers, McGee and Dwight should go off for 25.
If they leave out shooters open, Green should go off.
If they leave Kumza open, he should go off.
It should be similar to all other dominant 2 superstar teams. The 3rd option is what the defense gives you, not really a 3rd guy pressing. |
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yinoma2001
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More than a "3rd option," I'm looking for a reliable player who can create and score off the dribble and not be a defensive sieve.
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| Posted: Wed Nov 27, 2019 6:13 am Post subject: |
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| Yeah, a Steph Curry type would do this team wonders. |
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Kobe_Is_King13
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | More than a "3rd option," I'm looking for a reliable player who can create and score off the dribble and not be a defensive sieve. |
Yeah,
I was a huge Kuz fan and thought that it was the right move to keep him over Ingram. Now it's looking like the exact opposite. Kuz thrives when he gets consistent looks and with Bron and AD, he just isn't going to get the same amount/consistency of touches as he did his first 2 seasons. That seems to have messed with his confidence. He's thinking way too much on the offensive end instead of attacking when either or both are out of the game.
If we're going to beat some of the better teams, we're gonna need him to raise his level of play. He doesn't have to be a fringe star, but we have to be able to rely on him for 15-17 points a game. If he was doing that consistently a lot of these close games wouldn't have been such nailbitters. |
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| Posted: Wed Nov 27, 2019 6:14 am Post subject: |
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I say don’t mess with the Chemistry. Our 3rd option changes game to game, and that’s a plus if you want to keep the rest of the roster happy.
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| right now it's the combo of DG/AB/KCP/Kuz/Caruso... you gonna have to flip DG plus another one to upgrade (to match $), I'd say leave it alone and wait for buyout market (for Cousin or Daniels) |
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Just need Iggy. We need a wing 3and D to guard ome of KL or PG when we play the Clippers in the WCF.
Not sure who else to go after if Iggy gets dealt to the Mavs😩 |
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| Posted: Wed Nov 27, 2019 9:32 am Post subject: |
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| defense wrote: | | WE SCORE JUST FINE. Done away with the third option cliche already |
Agree.
Although there is some bias in your name  |
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| epak wrote: | | defense wrote: | | WE SCORE JUST FINE. Done away with the third option cliche already |
Agree.
Although there is some bias in your name |
Same here. In fact Vogel already indicated that Kuzma will be utilized in more of a role play. Get shots that are open otherwise don’t force shots.
The only guys forcing shots are Lebron and AD. And this make sense. Lebron makes about half of his shots, averages 11 assist per game not counting shots that are open and missed, and rarely turnovers the ball. With AD one of his targets he is more efficient.
So when Lebron has the ball, likely something good will happen. And Rondo utilized so Lebron can also play off ball.
So really unlike other teams Lakers don’t need a 3rd option. That would just put the ball in someone else’s hands that is less efficient leading to less scoring. |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | More than a "3rd option," I'm looking for a reliable player who can create and score off the dribble and not be a defensive sieve. |
Only way to get this would be to trade Kuzma to a non-contending team and given how the FO/Jeanie overvalue him, I don't see that happening unless the player coming back has name value. |
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| Posted: Wed Nov 27, 2019 10:22 am Post subject: |
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| The Lakers score wherever they want, whenever they want. The only thing they were lacking was because of the cold 3 point shooting early in the season but those are automatic for this team now. |
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| wolfpaclaker wrote: | Our 3rd option should be balance IMO.
If the defense can not contain our Centers, McGee and Dwight should go off for 25.
If they leave out shooters open, Green should go off.
If they leave Kumza open, he should go off.
It should be similar to all other dominant 2 superstar teams. The 3rd option is what the defense gives you, not really a 3rd guy pressing. |
This is it. Well put. |
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| We won't have any ability to get anyone this year unless KCP waives his NTC or if Iggy is bought out. But next offseason I wonder if an MLE offer would be enough to snag Goran Dragic? He would be the perfect PG for this team |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | More than a "3rd option," I'm looking for a reliable player who can create and score off the dribble and not be a defensive sieve. |
You might be asking for too much. I mean, even Lou Williams isn't all those things. For the life of me, I don't understand why teams haven't exposed him on the defensive end yet.
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| kikanga wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | More than a "3rd option," I'm looking for a reliable player who can create and score off the dribble and not be a defensive sieve. |
You might be asking for too much. I mean, even Lou Williams isn't all those things. For the life of me, I don't understand why teams haven't exposed him on the defensive end yet. |
Bc he's lucky to be surrounded by guys like KL/PG.
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the issue will be when the pressure is on; last minute or 2 of the game.
rondo cant shoot.
bron gets shook in those situations and scared to get a foul call.
all the other options are around set-plays. including AD.
waiting to see those plays that get Green a good look 99% of the time.
So far, it still feels like those times kobe couldn't play and someone else had to setup the halfcourt. A mess.
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| kikanga wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | More than a "3rd option," I'm looking for a reliable player who can create and score off the dribble and not be a defensive sieve. |
You might be asking for too much. I mean, even Lou Williams isn't all those things. For the life of me, I don't understand why teams haven't exposed him on the defensive end yet. |
Wait until the playoffs |
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| defense wrote: | | WE SCORE JUST FINE. Done away with the third option cliche already |
Who scores when Lebron and/or AD are out?
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | kikanga wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | More than a "3rd option," I'm looking for a reliable player who can create and score off the dribble and not be a defensive sieve. |
You might be asking for too much. I mean, even Lou Williams isn't all those things. For the life of me, I don't understand why teams haven't exposed him on the defensive end yet. |
Bc he's lucky to be surrounded by guys like KL/PG. |
Yes, so far he has his highest net rating in years with the addition of PG and Kawhi.
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | defense wrote: | | WE SCORE JUST FINE. Done away with the third option cliche already |
Who scores when Lebron and/or AD are out? |
who was our third option in the Kobe/Shaq era?
answer is No One!!!
Phil always leave 1 in. Vogel is doing the same.
now the issue is that AD doesn't always score like a number 1 guy. |
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Grant was, LO was, Horry was, even Bynum was. Especially when Shaq was hurt. I’m not counting Malone and Payton.
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| mad55557777 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | defense wrote: | | WE SCORE JUST FINE. Done away with the third option cliche already |
Who scores when Lebron and/or AD are out? |
who was our third option in the Kobe/Shaq era?
answer is No One!!!
Phil always leave 1 in. Vogel is doing the same.
now the issue is that AD doesn't always score like a number 1 guy. |
Glen Rice for the first ring.
Rest of the time, it was a different 3rd guy stepping up different games. |
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