How good would this team have been if we had gotten Kawhi Leonard instead of depth?
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How good would this team have been if we had gotten Kawhi Leonard instead of depth?
Much better than we are now.
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Significantly better
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Slightly better
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Around the same
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Slightly worse
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Somewhat worse
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 07, 2019 9:20 pm    Post subject: How good would this team have been if we had gotten Kawhi Leonard instead of depth?

If we're 20-3 without Leonard, what would we be if we had Leonard?

So assume we had Leonard but no Green, KCP, McGee, etc.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 07, 2019 9:24 pm    Post subject:

See 2018-2019 Warriors if you want to see what happens when you have a team without depth.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 07, 2019 9:26 pm    Post subject:

Worse
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 07, 2019 9:30 pm    Post subject:

We wouldn't be 20-3, and we'd be really pissed about Load Management and we'd be hoping that it all works out in the playoffs.

I don't think we would have gone 3-0 against Denver, Utah, and Portland, since Mr. Load Management would have missed at least one of those.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 07, 2019 9:31 pm    Post subject:

With Kawhi taking games off, and no depth, yeah, worse.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 07, 2019 9:35 pm    Post subject:

the major thing is Kawhi hasn't been as good this year as people taught..so it seems we wouldn't have 3 scoring threats but rater 2 scoring threats and perhaps a solid scorer.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 07, 2019 9:43 pm    Post subject:

There will surely be nasty fighting threads on Bron and Kahwi fanbases.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 07, 2019 9:50 pm    Post subject:

lar9149 wrote:
the major thing is Kawhi hasn't been as good this year as people taught..so it seems we wouldn't have 3 scoring threats but rater 2 scoring threats and perhaps a solid scorer.


24.5 PPG is more than a solid scorer.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 07, 2019 9:50 pm    Post subject:

Time to look at numbers again.

Kawhi career field goal % - 49.2, and three point % 38.0
Kawhi 2019-20 field goal % - 43.6, and three point % 31.8

Kawhi's shooting has never been worse
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 07, 2019 9:52 pm    Post subject:

Worse record but we'd feel 100% confident we're winning the next 3 chips
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 07, 2019 9:57 pm    Post subject:

drae wrote:
Time to look at numbers again.

Kawhi career field goal % - 49.2, and three point % 38.0
Kawhi 2019-20 field goal % - 43.6, and three point % 31.8

Kawhi's shooting has never been worse


Off year or is he really declining due to injury? How is his defense?
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 07, 2019 9:57 pm    Post subject:

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Worse record but we'd feel 100% confident we're winning the next 3 chips


Justifiably so or not?
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 07, 2019 10:04 pm    Post subject:

CandyCanes wrote:
drae wrote:
Time to look at numbers again.

Kawhi career field goal % - 49.2, and three point % 38.0
Kawhi 2019-20 field goal % - 43.6, and three point % 31.8

Kawhi's shooting has never been worse


Off year or is he really declining due to injury? How is his defense?


Whenever someone watches a Clippers game one of the first things they usually say is "Kawhi looks slow and old"

His knee looks like its bothering him. He usually defends a lesser attacker like Lebron does (he wouldn't go on Harden but he'd defend Tucker, he wouldn't go on Booker, and Giannis just abused him on those few occasions they matched up). He looks slow with little lift. He has a slight limp at times during the games. He played 41 minutes against Houston then had to sit out the next three games due to knee problems. He has great 4th quarter stats because he likes to lean on his team in the first 3 quarters and load manage in games.

Dunno what to say. It looks like he really does have a degenerative knee and it's already affecting him.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 07, 2019 10:06 pm    Post subject:

Last season, Leonard shot 60% in the paint, a number in line with his first seven seasons. This season, he has shot just 49% in the paint.

https://www.nba.com/article/2019/12/06/friday-notebook-kawhi-leonard-shooting-east-west-nuggets-pj-tucker

Interesting. Kawhi struggling to get to the basket ...
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 07, 2019 10:10 pm    Post subject:

drae wrote:
CandyCanes wrote:
drae wrote:
Time to look at numbers again.

Kawhi career field goal % - 49.2, and three point % 38.0
Kawhi 2019-20 field goal % - 43.6, and three point % 31.8

Kawhi's shooting has never been worse


Off year or is he really declining due to injury? How is his defense?


Whenever someone watches a Clippers game one of the first things they usually say is "Kawhi looks slow and old"

His knee looks like its bothering him. He usually defends a lesser attacker like Lebron does (he wouldn't go on Harden but he'd defend Tucker, he wouldn't go on Booker, and Giannis just abused him on those few occasions they matched up). He looks slow with little lift. He has a slight limp at times during the games. He played 41 minutes against Houston then had to sit out the next three games due to knee problems. He has great 4th quarter stats because he likes to lean on his team in the first 3 quarters and load manage in games.

Dunno what to say. It looks like he really does have a degenerative knee and it's already affecting him.


Exactly and not to mention, guys like AD are playing through sickness, injury, and pain. Bring a guy like Kawhi who needs load management and that could ruin the chemistry.

Lebron yelled a Danny Green rt before half of the game vs the Mavs for jogging back on a fast break.

So what you would have with Kawhi on this team is his sad face in the photo below

https://twitter.com/ZoNikeSZN/status/1203180794958749696

Except Lebron will be next to him yelling into his ear. And than Kawhi will go to the media stating how Lebron is a push over and terrible leader and so on. Thank god he didn't come here.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 07, 2019 10:22 pm    Post subject:

drae wrote:
Time to look at numbers again.

Kawhi career field goal % - 49.2, and three point % 38.0
Kawhi 2019-20 field goal % - 43.6, and three point % 31.8

Kawhi's shooting has never been worse


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 07, 2019 10:25 pm    Post subject:

CandyCanes wrote:
drae wrote:
Time to look at numbers again.

Kawhi career field goal % - 49.2, and three point % 38.0
Kawhi 2019-20 field goal % - 43.6, and three point % 31.8

Kawhi's shooting has never been worse


Off year or is he really declining due to injury? How is his defense?


I think it’s due to a lack of talent around him. Can’t pick his spots as much.

That and he seems a bit slow to me. Heavy even.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 07, 2019 10:27 pm    Post subject:

LaLaLakeShow wrote:
drae wrote:
Time to look at numbers again.

Kawhi career field goal % - 49.2, and three point % 38.0
Kawhi 2019-20 field goal % - 43.6, and three point % 31.8

Kawhi's shooting has never been worse


Good Gawd


Oh it gets better, these would be career lows by him by quite a margin EXCEPT … that year he only played single digit games for the Spurs because of his peg leg he shot slightly worse from 3 (31.4%)

These are pretty much career low shooting percentages by a fair margin though
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 07, 2019 10:33 pm    Post subject:

ringfinger wrote:
CandyCanes wrote:
drae wrote:
Time to look at numbers again.

Kawhi career field goal % - 49.2, and three point % 38.0
Kawhi 2019-20 field goal % - 43.6, and three point % 31.8

Kawhi's shooting has never been worse


Off year or is he really declining due to injury? How is his defense?


I think it’s due to a lack of talent around him. Can’t pick his spots as much.

That and he seems a bit slow to me. Heavy even.


I’ve noticed this too. It’s like he’s moving through quicksand.
He doesn’t look right at all
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 07, 2019 10:35 pm    Post subject:

drae wrote:
LaLaLakeShow wrote:
drae wrote:
Time to look at numbers again.

Kawhi career field goal % - 49.2, and three point % 38.0
Kawhi 2019-20 field goal % - 43.6, and three point % 31.8

Kawhi's shooting has never been worse


Good Gawd


Oh it gets better, these would be career lows by him by quite a margin EXCEPT … that year he only played single digit games for the Spurs because of his peg leg he shot slightly worse from 3 (31.4%)

These are pretty much career low shooting percentages by a fair margin though


Peg leg...
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 07, 2019 10:43 pm    Post subject:

I only saw the first three quarters of that Bucks game, but there were countless possessions where Leonard would get the ball on the wing, dribble for 10 seconds, penetrate a bit, the Bucks would have a spy to prevent further penetration, and then stop with his pivot foot planted. He would then look to pass the ball to someone for the remainder of the shotclock. He routinely didn't have enough lift to shoot the ball over the defender. At that point, the offense would be dead. The Bucks were very disciplined in not falling for his fakes and covering the cutters.

If I were the Lakers coaching staff, I'd favor Leonard having the ball and killing the offense that way. They should watch a tape of that Bucks game.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 07, 2019 10:44 pm    Post subject:

It's an interesting convo.

The guys we signed with our cap space

Danny Green 8pts/3.6reb 42/38/73
KCP 7.9pts/2.6 reb 45/39/82
McGee 7.3/6.2 1.2blk
Quin Cook 5.2pts 35%
Boogie DNP

I guess the real question is what kind of depth would we have been able to get around Kawhi at the vets min?

WCS/Dwight/Vonleh/Noel/Diallo/Faried
J.Green/Bell
Korver/RHJ/Ennis
Burks/Shumpet/Korkmaz/Nwaba
Burke/Neto/Lin

The amount of solid depth available at the vets min is why I would have taken Kawhi 10 times out of 10. Not much of a drop off between McGee/KCP/Green/Cook vs Noel/RHJ/Burks/Burke
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 07, 2019 11:12 pm    Post subject:

Everything would have been different. The butterfly effect.

Kawhi is the Kobe of today, but I feel we wouldn’t be 20-3. We may win some chips, but would Kawhi hinder the development of Davis? Would Davis even resign if he was third best in the team? I kinda like the way things are now. Hopefully Davis will morph into the best power forward ever and a legit 1A for the Lakers for years to come.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 07, 2019 11:13 pm    Post subject:

A load managed 15-8
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 07, 2019 11:14 pm    Post subject:

Yeah I saw a report as well from a DR the same one that predicted if KD came back and played in the finals he would end up tearing his achiles which he did.

He said that Kawhis knees are only going to get worse, and it's definitely a degenerative knee issue he assumed he has no more than 2-4 years to play max and will probably retire to it.

I mean look at him now it does really seem its just getting worse & worse.
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