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Bard207
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| vasashi17+ wrote: | You need bball minds like Kobe for sure to give Rob the Details for a successful game plan.
But you also need a CBA/cap think-tank (not just one dude) to bounce ideas and collaborate with Rob/Jesse/Rambii when we've been about the cap plan and still are (which now is in its '21 iteration).
LA draws stars, so the plan ain't faulty, but you need a better contingency then making your 35y/o superstar the full-time point gawd with just Rondo as the only legit backup.
For example, we wanted Kawhi to join Bron/AD for a 3star alignment. A better contingency when we struck out is going after Dragic (Heat are hardcapped and actually dealt dude to Dallas in the Jimmy S&t before Cuban reneged).
With Dragic as a salary dumped on us, we have a playmaker that allows Bron more off-ball to “rest” him and is a legit consistent 3rd option. Plus his 19m expiring deal is easier to aggregate for a max type player down the line, unlike Green's 14.6m deal and we would have grabbed the Miami 1st they included with Harkless that got rerouted from the cLips to OKC to secure them Kawhi via the George deal.
The 24-3 record is largely due to our 2 superstars and I don’t see how anybody can debate against that. So it’s in our best interest to protect them so that they ready to dominate when the real season starts. The way this team was constructed after we whiffed on Kawhi exposed our superstar duo to more duress and imo, the FO could have done better with that.
But hey, at least Dudz provides a better fan experience, so there's that. |
After the trade for Davis, the cabinet has become close to empty on valuable things to send out in a trade.
Using your example of taking Dragic and a Miami first into cap space.
Dragid would be salary filler in a trade for a good player (top 40?) but wouldn't be considered a desirable part
*Miami first
* Kuzma
* THT
* Bradley
would be about it on good things to include in a trade and I don't think that is enough to bring in anything close to another max type of player. |
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| Posted: Mon Dec 16, 2019 6:00 am Post subject: |
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| Ujiri is ruthless, I’m guessing he’ll flip Kuz (prob even with a salary matching fully guaranteed signed Dwight and future picks) for a 3rd Star but I’m. It sure if that’s a better route than the current one which has great chemistry all around and the whole team buys in |
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vasashi17+
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| Posted: Mon Dec 16, 2019 9:13 am Post subject: |
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| Bard207 wrote: | | vasashi17+ wrote: | You need bball minds like Kobe for sure to give Rob the Details for a successful game plan.
But you also need a CBA/cap think-tank (not just one dude) to bounce ideas and collaborate with Rob/Jesse/Rambii when we've been about the cap plan and still are (which now is in its '21 iteration).
LA draws stars, so the plan ain't faulty, but you need a better contingency then making your 35y/o superstar the full-time point gawd with just Rondo as the only legit backup.
For example, we wanted Kawhi to join Bron/AD for a 3star alignment. A better contingency when we struck out is going after Dragic (Heat are hardcapped and actually dealt dude to Dallas in the Jimmy S&t before Cuban reneged).
With Dragic as a salary dumped on us, we have a playmaker that allows Bron more off-ball to “rest” him and is a legit consistent 3rd option. Plus his 19m expiring deal is easier to aggregate for a max type player down the line, unlike Green's 14.6m deal and we would have grabbed the Miami 1st they included with Harkless that got rerouted from the cLips to OKC to secure them Kawhi via the George deal.
The 24-3 record is largely due to our 2 superstars and I don’t see how anybody can debate against that. So it’s in our best interest to protect them so that they ready to dominate when the real season starts. The way this team was constructed after we whiffed on Kawhi exposed our superstar duo to more duress and imo, the FO could have done better with that.
But hey, at least Dudz provides a better fan experience, so there's that. |
After the trade for Davis, the cabinet has become close to empty on valuable things to send out in a trade.
Using your example of taking Dragic and a Miami first into cap space.
Dragid would be salary filler in a trade for a good player (top 40?) but wouldn't be considered a desirable part
*Miami first
* Kuzma
* THT
* Bradley
would be about it on good things to include in a trade and I don't think that is enough to bring in anything close to another max type of player. |
We cleared 32.7m in cap space by dumping Moe, Bonga, JJ, 2022 2nd rounder to the Wiz, remember? So once Kawhi's fickle ass said no, we really didn't have to pull off that Wiz portion of the trade for AD. Those assets would have been at our disposal leaving 32m in cap space one you account for all the incomplete roster charges that we would have gotten back if we spared those dudes in the AD purge OR 32.5m if we decided to waive JJ.
Either way, if you break that cap space into 3 players we had the potential of 33.8m in cap space once each incomplete roster charge of 900k was wiped from our cap sheet. Trading Dragic into that cap space would still leave us roughly 14-15m depending on if we wanted to break that cap up between one or two players. And that means Danny Green is still in play to take the rest of our cap.
For those that claim Kcp’s 8.2m was earmarked as a Klutch tax...nah, I disagree. If a Klutch tax was really a mandate, Kcp could have had a multi-year deal greater than 8.2m cause that wouldn’t impact AD’s max money at all the summer of 2020. We traded for him so we also grabbed his bird rights to bypass the cap next summer. Giving Kcp this past summer our entire max slot would still not impact AD re-upping next summer. Also if Klutch really was taxing our ass, Melo would already be here and Lue would be coaching on a 5yr deal with Vogs as his lead assistant. Also remember, if Kawhi was had, there is no 8.2m slot for Kcp, which means if anything all we could offer him was Av’s 4.8m room exception slot.
So I hope that disspellls the Klutch tax narrative and if you guys are still ain’t convinced, then fine...Dragic at 19.2m with Kcp at 8.2m, leaves us with 6.4m in cap space, so Boogie still could have been had along with Caruso. Then it comes down to if McGee really wanted 4m and Cook wanted 3m, cause if not they both could have settled on the vet min with more guaranteed money that would have still paid them similar coin to their current deals, leaving the room exception for Av once the Griz bought him out.
As for aggregating Dragic’s 19.2m for a max type player’s salary, dealing him by himself can bring back up to 24.2m in salary, which is close to the 25%max of 27.3m. So adding a vet min of 2.5m to Dragic brings us back that type of max player. Not too hard, really. Aggregating roughly 7m to Dragic’s deal brings back the full 30%max amount of 32.7m in a trade. And that amount is roughly a vet min + the Moe/Bonga/JJ package we prematurely dumped.
Bottomline: imho our Kawhi contingency was kinda trash and different iterations could have still had us in play for a 3rd max guy if that was seriously our plan A endgame...and why wouldn’t it be? (see pairing Bron with 2 stars in Miami & Cleveland here). |
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| Posted: Mon Dec 16, 2019 9:18 am Post subject: |
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| surprised this has reached 2 pages already as it's pretty clear to me that this in all likelihood not going to happen. |
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