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Philostrator Starting Rotation
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Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2006 10:48 pm Post subject: Elton Brand: Mihm or Kwame? |
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Who did better defensively against EB? I saw Mihm got owned a lot with EB's jump shot, did Kwame made a difference? |
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sodapoppenski Star Player
Joined: 24 Apr 2005 Posts: 7364 Location: Washington, DC
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Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2006 10:51 pm Post subject: |
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Mihm, straight up.
Consider that Mihm is still playing hurt and it's even more blatant.
Not saying Mihm did great.
But honestly, seriously, sincerely......
This is the flat out worst game I've seen Kwame play in a Laker uniform.
Check my posts since he's been here.
I've been giving him chance after chance after chance.
And dammit I'm tired of this crap. |
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JerryWest_44 Retired Number
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Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2006 10:51 pm Post subject: |
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Lakers have two two-edged sword players --
Mihm -- average offensive game but a poor defender on athletic big men.
Kwame - good defense on athletic big men but a horrid offensive game.
Lakers need a REAL center/PF who can play both sides of the ball. |
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Charles Star Player
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Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2006 10:53 pm Post subject: |
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Mihm got straight schooled by Elton Brand. Anyone who says otherwise wasn't watching the game. EB scored 3-5 straight times on Mihm during that 3rd quarter Mihm. Mihm practically wasn't even there. At least Kwame can make Elton work.
Phil blew this game with his substitutions and laziness. |
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mike_kb Starting Rotation
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Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2006 10:54 pm Post subject: |
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Brand made Mihm his female-dog. Kwame did OK on him. |
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kells1220 Starting Rotation
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Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2006 10:58 pm Post subject: |
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EB really burned Mihm during that 3rd quarter stretch. I know this because I was screaming at Phil (thru the TV) to put Kwame back in. By the way Cook's defense is soft as gummy bears. He kept leaving Radmonovichamacallit open for three. It was tough to watch. |
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PassiontoWin Star Player
Joined: 22 Feb 2005 Posts: 4034 Location: Westside
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Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2006 11:02 pm Post subject: |
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Brand destroys everyone he faces anyways. |
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Philostrator Starting Rotation
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Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2006 11:04 pm Post subject: |
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kells1220 wrote: | kept leaving Radmonovichamacallit open for three. It was tough to watch. | And him too, that was his only purpose and they leave him open, talking about stupidity. |
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NestT Star Player
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Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2006 11:13 pm Post subject: |
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Team Bryant wrote: | Brand destroys everyone he faces anyways. |
He did not destroy Kwame for the first 7-8 minutes of the game.
Good offense beats good defense.
But Kwame was doing well.
Once a player gets hot it is hard to cool him off.
Phil still should have put in Kwame
Phil acts like we are in first place by 6 games.He is experimenting putting in Turiaf and Green when we are in 8th place fighting for our playoff lives.
Its like he is coaching for next year or even farther into the future.
He is not coaching to win the current game.
That is sacrificing way too much now for the future.
If he is going to do that might as well play Socks. |
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sodapoppenski Star Player
Joined: 24 Apr 2005 Posts: 7364 Location: Washington, DC
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Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2006 11:14 pm Post subject: |
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Sorry man, I just can't agree with a couple of you guys.
Kwame had a good 7 minutes on ONE end of the floor? Yay.
This was flat-out the worst Kwame showing I've seen in a long time,
possibly the whole season.
And his hands?
I mean they're bad alot of times but tonight was FREAKING OBSCENE. |
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lakers1969 Star Player
Joined: 13 Jan 2006 Posts: 2197 Location: Temecula border of San Diego
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Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2006 11:24 pm Post subject: |
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Oh did EB did a gesture on PJ to call a time-out? |
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sodapoppenski Star Player
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Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2006 11:25 pm Post subject: |
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lakers1969 wrote: | Oh did EB did a gesture on PJ to call a time-out? |
No that was when he was facing Kwame.
It was a hint.
"T" for "Trade this guy." |
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PayasoLoco Franchise Player
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Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2006 11:36 pm Post subject: |
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sodapoppenski wrote: | Mihm, straight up.
Consider that Mihm is still playing hurt and it's even more blatant.
Not saying Mihm did great.
But honestly, seriously, sincerely......
This is the flat out worst game I've seen Kwame play in a Laker uniform.
Check my posts since he's been here.
I've been giving him chance after chance after chance.
And dammit I'm tired of this crap. |
yep Brand caught on fire when Kwame was guarding him in the third and cooled down when mihm came back in the game :roll: :roll: |
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Philostrator Starting Rotation
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Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2006 11:40 pm Post subject: |
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lakers1969 wrote: | Oh did EB did a gesture on PJ to call a time-out? | Yea I saw that, not sure if that was for PJ though. |
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PayasoLoco Franchise Player
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Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2006 11:42 pm Post subject: |
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Philostrator wrote: | lakers1969 wrote: | Oh did EB did a gesture on PJ to call a time-out? | Yea I saw that, not sure if that was for PJ though. |
Lol i laugh at that this man has done nothing in his career and is trying to taunt Phil ahahaha |
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NestT Star Player
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Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2006 11:54 pm Post subject: |
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sodapoppenski wrote: | Sorry man, I just can't agree with a couple of you guys.
Kwame had a good 7 minutes on ONE end of the floor? Yay.
This was flat-out the worst Kwame showing I've seen in a long time,
possibly the whole season.
And his hands?
I mean they're bad alot of times but tonight was FREAKING OBSCENE. |
It only lasted 7-8 minutes because Phil took him out.
Phil should have left him in. It probably would have lasted longer.
Defense wins championships and that is what wins most on any given night. Sometimes a team can get rediculously hot from the outside and ovecome bad defense but that was not tonight.
I guess Phil wanted to see if he could have his cake and eat it too.
Get Mihm's low post offense and not suffer the consecuences of putting him on Brand. Everyone saw the answer.
Most fans don't value defense.That is what Kwame gives you on the low-block.They don't put that on Sportscenter but it is very valuable.
As we saw what happened when PHil sat Kwame.
That this is the worst Kwame performance is a joke.
He has had two games I recall where he picked up thee fouls in the first quarter and had to play tentative defense.
This loss is squarly on Phil experimenting.Playing Green and Turiaf in non-garbage time. Putting Mihm,who has a hard time with Centers, on a versatile PF.
This loss is also on Odom. Lacked agression AGAIN. |
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SHAQ/KOBE=#1 Star Player
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Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2006 12:17 am Post subject: |
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Mihm was right up on Brand and he was still making the jumpers. Sticking a shorter player with less wingspan (Kwame) on him wouldn't have done any good. |
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Colby Briant Star Player
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Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2006 12:21 am Post subject: |
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oh man, what id do to have Brand playing alongside kobe. i mean what a perfectly complementary player to kobes game. unlike some other people we have on our team, EB can create his own shot and shoot the J. what a stud. |
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iml84myd8s Starting Rotation
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Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2006 9:32 am Post subject: |
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Why would Phil Jackson put a 7' center on one of the smallest (6' 8") forwards in the game who loves to shoot the outside jumpshot?
Mihm and Kwame had no business defending Brand. That was the biggest mistake by Phil Jackson, slightly ahead of him not calling a time out in the 3rd quarter as the Clippers went on their 15-0 run.
The 6' 10" quicker Odom should have been defending Brand from the start of the game. Odom stepped up his game against his ex-Clipper mate Miles. Odom needs motivation because he is not a self motivator.
If Phil is going to use Mihm to defend the smaller and quicker Brand, then Phil has to take advantage of Mihm’s height by posting Mihm 3’ under the basket every possession until the Clippers but in a true center to guard Mihm. That allows Mihm to switch back to a taller and slower player on the defensive end.
This was another poor coaching job by Phil Jackson. |
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wolfpaclaker Retired Number
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Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2006 9:42 am Post subject: |
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That's the thing with one way players.
I realized the dilemna Phil must go through.
He plays Kwame on Brand - and Elton didn't rape him, but at the same time the Lakers offense was totally off because Kwame has no real knowledge of the Triangle execution.
He plays Mihm and the offense is better but then Elton went on that scoring burts while Chris was defending him.
Ahh . Just a bad night, overall. |
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PayasoLoco Franchise Player
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Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2006 9:51 am Post subject: |
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iml84myd8s wrote: | Why would Phil Jackson put a 7' center on one of the smallest (6' 8") forwards in the game who loves to shoot the outside jumpshot?
Mihm and Kwame had no business defending Brand. That was the biggest mistake by Phil Jackson, slightly ahead of him not calling a time out in the 3rd quarter as the Clippers went on their 15-0 run.
The 6' 10" quicker Odom should have been defending Brand from the start of the game. Odom stepped up his game against his ex-Clipper mate Miles. Odom needs motivation because he is not a self motivator.
If Phil is going to use Mihm to defend the smaller and quicker Brand, then Phil has to take advantage of Mihm’s height by posting Mihm 3’ under the basket every possession until the Clippers but in a true center to guard Mihm. That allows Mihm to switch back to a taller and slower player on the defensive end.
This was another poor coaching job by Phil Jackson. |
brand would take Odom to the post and work him down there. Phils real mistake was taking out Kwame and starting Cook in 2nd half |
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targetman Star Player
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Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2006 10:38 am Post subject: |
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Did Bynum play at all? I had to turn it off toward the end because I could have coached better than Phil at that point. _________________ Hope for the best. Prepare for the worst. |
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dadamookie Starting Rotation
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Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2006 10:59 am Post subject: |
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Kwame can play defense but he screws up the offense every second he is on the floor. He hasn't shown that he has the smarts to play in the triangle.
If only there was a way to fuse the skills of Kwame and Cook in to one player. Any scientists out there? We must invent the technology. |
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wolfpaclaker Retired Number
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Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2006 11:14 am Post subject: |
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dadamookie wrote: | Kwame can play defense but he screws up the offense every second he is on the floor. He hasn't shown that he has the smarts to play in the triangle.
If only there was a way to fuse the skills of Kwame and Cook in to one player. Any scientists out there? We must invent the technology. |
That is just sooo sad.
I know exactly what you mean. Kwame's D with Cookie's O skill = Stud PF for us.
But you know, that's what a solid two-way PF can be to this team. Which is why I wouldn't mind a Martin or Boozer now over the capspace plan. They would have been able to go back at Brand and at the same time make him work for his points. That would make an impact of 5-10 more wins on this team IMO
The problem with them though was they were injured and paid a ton of money ..... |
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Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2006 2:23 pm Post subject: |
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It depends on which Kwame shows up. Kwame had a decent game against EB, the night Kobe scored 50. Kwame wasn't so hot last night. Mihm wasn't playing great last night, but he seems to be a consistent scorer against the Clippers front line. Mihm is coming back from an injury, so last night wasn't a fair comparison. Given time, Mihm can do a decent job on EB. _________________ "Darkness cannot drive out darkness. Only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate. Only love can do that." ~~Martin Luther King Jr.~~ |
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