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Omar Little Moderator
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Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2020 3:23 pm Post subject: |
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DancingBarry wrote: | jodeke wrote: | ChefLinda wrote: | jodeke wrote: | ChefLinda wrote: | jodeke wrote: | I don't have any masks. I only go to my mail box and back. I do a 30 minute around the pool at my apartment. I'm going to order some today. I don't want to get the one that first responders are using. Which of these is best? LINK |
You can also go on etsy and buy hand sewn and other masks:
https://www.etsy.com/market/face_mask |
I'm familiar with numerous sites. I'm wondering which is best? Washables or other? |
No one here is a doctor. There is a lot of conflicting information about masks. I think you either need to do your own research or just pick one and go with it. Anything is better than nothing. About 10 pages back there was a 2 page discussion about masks with links to articles, stats and materials. I personally am using all cotton masks that can be washed. If you don't want to wash and reuse, then choose paper disposable. |
Thanks CL. I'll go back and do some reading. I'm really in no hurry. I just put a order in through Instacart. I don't plan on going anywhere until the all clear and some time after to be sure. |
I read a study that looked at a variety of masks and fabrics. Basically, N95 is the best, of course. But homemade ones if they have a couple layers of either felt or quilters cotton were better than the surgical masks. The higher the thread count/fabric quality the better. (If I recall 150 thread count and above.) The key was having a couple of those layers inside of the felt or quilters cotton. Surgical masks were better than crappy homemade masks/bandanas. |
Study I saw (was of the flu virus) had surgical masks nearly as effective as n95. Especially since the study was of caregivers of ill people and measured the effectiveness of the mask in protecting the wearer. _________________ “We must always take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented.” ― Elie Wiesel |
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Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2020 3:29 pm Post subject: |
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Since Eddie Van Halen quit drinking, you may be the most famous "only Heineken" proponent of Heineken out there, at least in the States. In every interview he's ever been in, he's got a Heineken and/or a cigarette going off. And he showed that it might be a preventative cure for deafness. He can still hear after decades of speakers by his head. His brother drank Schlitz. _________________ GOAT MAGIC REEL
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jodeke Retired Number
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Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2020 3:36 pm Post subject: |
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My daily routine has been destroyed by COVID-19. LINK 🤬 _________________ Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.
America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves. |
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JerryWest_44 Retired Number
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Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2020 3:37 pm Post subject: |
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jodeke wrote: | My daily routine has been destroyed by COVID-19. LINK 🤬 |
Just a small penance for a greater good. |
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jodeke Retired Number
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Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2020 3:40 pm Post subject: |
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JerryWest_44 wrote: | jodeke wrote: | My daily routine has been destroyed by COVID-19. LINK 🤬 |
Just a small penance for a greater good. |
Good be damned! I want some basketball. 🤬 _________________ Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.
America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves. |
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JerryWest_44 Retired Number
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Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2020 4:37 pm Post subject: |
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168,800 Tested
....154,733 results (14,100 PENDING)
..........16,597 POSITIVE
.........117,776 NEGATIVE
Day Number of Deaths
3/12/2020 4
3/13/2020 0
3/14/2020 1
3/15/2020 0
3/16/2020 1
3/17/2020 5
3/18/2020 2
3/19/2020 5
3/20/2020 2
3/21/2020 4
3/22/2020 3
3/23/2020 0
3/24/2020 13
3/25/2020 13
3/26/2020 12
3/27/2020 13
3/28/2020 23
3/29/2020 22
3/30/2020 10
3/31/2020 20
4/1/2020 18
4/2/2020 32
4/3/2020 34
4/4/2020 39
4/5/2020 43
4/6/2020 24
4/7/2020 31
4/8/2020 68
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LakerLanny Retired Number
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Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2020 4:57 pm Post subject: |
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ribeye wrote: |
It might explain why Florida has not done any worse despite a lack of commitment to sheltering in place by its governor. Funny place. Hard to figure out. |
Florida would probably be at an A+ rating if not for Rod Stewart and his ridiculously entitled family.
Not cool Rod.... _________________ Love, Laker Lanny |
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ribeye Franchise Player
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Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2020 5:30 pm Post subject: |
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And here's another, for the world.
(Scroll down to the third graph) |
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Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2020 5:48 pm Post subject: |
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DancingBarry wrote: | jodeke wrote: | ChefLinda wrote: | jodeke wrote: | ChefLinda wrote: | jodeke wrote: | I don't have any masks. I only go to my mail box and back. I do a 30 minute around the pool at my apartment. I'm going to order some today. I don't want to get the one that first responders are using. Which of these is best? LINK |
You can also go on etsy and buy hand sewn and other masks:
https://www.etsy.com/market/face_mask |
I'm familiar with numerous sites. I'm wondering which is best? Washables or other? |
No one here is a doctor. There is a lot of conflicting information about masks. I think you either need to do your own research or just pick one and go with it. Anything is better than nothing. About 10 pages back there was a 2 page discussion about masks with links to articles, stats and materials. I personally am using all cotton masks that can be washed. If you don't want to wash and reuse, then choose paper disposable. |
Thanks CL. I'll go back and do some reading. I'm really in no hurry. I just put a order in through Instacart. I don't plan on going anywhere until the all clear and some time after to be sure. |
I read a study that looked at a variety of masks and fabrics. Basically, N95 is the best, of course. But homemade ones if they have a couple layers of either felt or quilters cotton were better than the surgical masks. The higher the thread count/fabric quality the better. (If I recall 150 thread count and above.) The key was having a couple of those layers inside of the felt or quilters cotton. Surgical masks were better than crappy homemade masks/bandanas. |
N95
KN95
Surgical masks
Homemade whatever
That's the order I'd go in.
If anyone is need of masks and doesn't have access to them, PM me on Monday and I'd be happy to give each of you up to 5 masks (KN95 or Surgical masks) - you'll need to pick them up in the SFV. Just bear with me as China isn't letting most of them out and they're coming in sporadically. |
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DaMuleRules Retired Number
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Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2020 5:53 pm Post subject: |
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ribeye wrote: |
And here's another, for the world.
(Scroll down to the third graph) |
A very graphic depiction that really drives the scope home. _________________ You thought God was an architect, now you know
He’s something like a pipe bomb ready to blow
And everything you built that’s all for show
goes up in flames
In 24 frames
Jason Isbell
Man, do those lyrics resonate right now |
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ChefLinda Moderator
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Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2020 6:14 pm Post subject: |
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DaMuleRules wrote: | ribeye wrote: |
And here's another, for the world.
(Scroll down to the third graph) |
A very graphic depiction that really drives the scope home. |
Rachel showed that graph live on her show tonight. She concluded, "That is what the worst coronavirus response on earth looks like."(paraphrasing) |
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jodeke Retired Number
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Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2020 6:27 pm Post subject: |
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ribeye wrote: |
And here's another, for the world.
(Scroll down to the third graph) |
False graph. Trump says we're doing better than any country in the world. _________________ Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.
America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves. |
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non-player zealot Franchise Player
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Mark_in_Tulsa Franchise Player
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Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2020 7:15 pm Post subject: |
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ChefLinda wrote: | DaMuleRules wrote: | ribeye wrote: |
And here's another, for the world.
(Scroll down to the third graph) |
A very graphic depiction that really drives the scope home. |
Rachel showed that graph live on her show tonight. She concluded, "That is what the worst coronavirus response on earth looks like."(paraphrasing) |
Not that this is the greatest thing to brag about but when you factor in size of population we're around 20 for positive cases and deaths per million people. And honestly if New York had been aggressive from the get go they wouldn't be a 1/3 of our cases and the main cause of expansion in the US of this virus. _________________ Think about how stupid the avg. person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
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ContagiousInspiration Franchise Player
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Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2020 8:19 pm Post subject: |
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https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/08/politics/military-transfers-coronavirus-patients/index.html
Quote: | US military transferred 18 Covid-19 patients after an emergency with oxygen supply at New York City hospital
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By Barbara Starr and Sonia Moghe, CNN
Updated 6:17 PM ET, Wed April 8, 2020
(CNN)A New York City hospital had issues with its oxygen supply on Tuesday night, causing the urgent transfer of multiple patients to be cared for elsewhere, Gen. Terrence O'Shaughessy told CNN.
"They needed to transfer those patients immediately, as quick as possible, because their lives were dependent on it," said O'Shaughnessy, the commander of US Northern Command overseeing the military response.
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unleasHell Franchise Player
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Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2020 9:04 pm Post subject: |
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Dang, it's crazy comparing NY with Ca.
Ca has been averaging under 40 deaths/day and spiked up to 60 today
NY has been average 600 deaths/day and spiked up to 800 today
YIKES! _________________ “Always remember... Rumors are carried by haters, spread by fools, and accepted by idiots.” |
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kikanga Retired Number
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Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2020 10:29 pm Post subject: |
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Mark_in_Tulsa wrote: |
Not that this is the greatest thing to brag about but when you factor in size of population we're around 20 for positive cases and deaths per million people. And honestly if New York had been aggressive from the get go they wouldn't be a 1/3 of our cases and the main cause of expansion in the US of this virus. |
Can a governor restrict international travel? Honestly I don't know if that's even possible. I know a President can, but I wonder if a governor could too.
That would've helped New York alot. _________________ "Every hurt is a lesson, and every lesson makes you better” |
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kikanga Retired Number
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Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2020 10:43 pm Post subject: |
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unleasHell wrote: | Dang, it's crazy comparing NY with Ca.
Ca has been averaging under 40 deaths/day and spiked up to 60 today
NY has been average 600 deaths/day and spiked up to 800 today
YIKES! |
Part of it is density. Another part of it was what countries had their travel restricted to the US first. _________________ "Every hurt is a lesson, and every lesson makes you better” |
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jodeke Retired Number
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Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2020 11:16 pm Post subject: |
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The IIC (Idiot In Charge) Trump is so bent on opening the country he's ignoring persons who may be asymptomatic. I have a feeling the infection pool is going to overflow. Most troubling is there is no one who will stop him.
Feds loosen virus rules to let essential workers return
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Quote: | WASHINGTON (AP) — In a first, small step toward reopening the country, the Trump administration issued new guidelines Wednesday to make it easier for essential workers who have been exposed to COVID-19 to get back to work if they do not have symptoms of the coronavirus.
Dr. Robert Redfield, director of the the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, announced at the White House that essential employees, such as health care and food supply workers, who have been within 6 feet of a confirmed or suspected case of the virus can return to work under certain circumstances if they are not experiencing symptoms. |
_________________ Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.
America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves. |
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JerryWest_44 Retired Number
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Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2020 5:04 am Post subject: |
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kikanga wrote: | unleasHell wrote: | Dang, it's crazy comparing NY with Ca.
Ca has been averaging under 40 deaths/day and spiked up to 60 today
NY has been average 600 deaths/day and spiked up to 800 today
YIKES! |
Part of it is density. Another part of it was what countries had their travel restricted to the US first. |
1) NYC has one of the highest spatial density numbers in the world
2) Tourism
3) Cuomo being late to the quarantine party
-- I still remember Cuomo sayng we don't need to shut down NY after Gavin shutdown CA... |
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ribeye Franchise Player
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Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2020 5:55 am Post subject: |
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JerryWest_44 wrote: | kikanga wrote: | unleasHell wrote: | Dang, it's crazy comparing NY with Ca.
Ca has been averaging under 40 deaths/day and spiked up to 60 today
NY has been average 600 deaths/day and spiked up to 800 today
YIKES! |
Part of it is density. Another part of it was what countries had their travel restricted to the US first. |
1) NYC has one of the highest spatial density numbers in the world
2) Tourism
3) Cuomo being late to the quarantine party
-- I still remember Cuomo sayng we don't need to shut down NY after Gavin shutdown CA... |
Not quite right, at least according to this:
The first four:
Cali: 19th
NJersey: 21st
Chitown: 21st
New YorK: 22nd |
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Mark_in_Tulsa Franchise Player
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Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2020 7:01 am Post subject: |
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kikanga wrote: | Mark_in_Tulsa wrote: |
Not that this is the greatest thing to brag about but when you factor in size of population we're around 20 for positive cases and deaths per million people. And honestly if New York had been aggressive from the get go they wouldn't be a 1/3 of our cases and the main cause of expansion in the US of this virus. |
Can a governor restrict international travel? Honestly I don't know if that's even possible. I know a President can, but I wonder if a governor could too.
That would've helped New York alot. |
Yes I think states can close their airports. But I don't know if they can specifically shut down just international travel.
But also the Federal Gov. does not have the authority to quarantine or dictate stay at home. That comes at the local state and cities.
Obama admin (rightfully so) gave power to CDC to quarantine specific people in an outbreak, but not general areas or cities or states. _________________ Think about how stupid the avg. person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
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Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2020 8:01 am Post subject: |
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this is the kind of stuff that right wingers are plastering all over my local facebook groups:
I am not the author but my goodness this hits hard.
It is painful absolutely painful for me to see the judgement and shaming of people who are just using their voice and what freedom they do have right now.
It pains me to see the fear of a virus when we ALL have ownership of our health and our lifestyle choices.
We all can research, we all can find info and our greatest attribute GOD ever placed when he formed us in his image was our brains.
(please do not use an angry face emoji or FB will slow this post)
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We are seeing the most draconian measures enforced at all levels of government that we've ever seen in our lifetimes, and yet rather than being alarmed by the things going on, so many of you applaud.
People are being arrested for spending too much time outside, and you applaud. Pastors are being arrested for daring to hold church services, and you applaud. A child's birthday party is raided by police, and you applaud. A young woman is ticketed for going on a leisurely drive alone because it's deemed "non-essential travel", and you applaud. A parade of school teachers and administrators who wanted to drive through neighborhoods and wave at children is busted up by cops because they were "nonessential," and you applaud. A lone paddleboarder in the ocean on a beach without any other people around is arrested because he's violating quarantine orders, and you applaud.
People are being denied life saving medical treatments because they're not a priority right now (not "essential" as deemed by the government) as the entirety of our medical system is focused on one thing, and you applaud.
Businesses are beings forcibly closed and padlocked and owners arrested for refusing to shut down, and you applaud. Dairy farmers (and soon, other farmers) are being incentivized to stop dairy farming and to sell their herds, and you don't seem to understand the implications.
You're being told to use hotlines and online forms provided by your local governments to report your neighbors who don't obey, and you comply. You scold people day after day for not obeying government edicts, and if any of us dare to question what's happening, you lecture about how we're a danger to society and and we just don't care about people dying.
You've somehow managed to convince yourselves that the people whose lives are affected by a virus are MUCH more important than the people whose lives are being destroyed (and in many cases, leading to death) by the effects of a worldwide economic shutdown and impending worldwide depression the likes of which no one has ever seen before.
At what point will you start QUESTIONING what's going on? How far does the government have to push before you're jolted awake from your slumber? How far are you willing to go with this?
If they told you to load your families onto train cars so that you could be taken to Virus Protection Facilities for your own safety, would you do it?
YES. Yes, you would.That much has become painfully obvious to me. And the whole time, you'd be shaking your finger and yelling at those of us who refused, accusing us of being "a danger to society" and "not caring if people die."
But they don't have to load you onto train cars and take you to Virus Protection Facilities, or force you to comply, because you do that voluntarily. They control your mind. They control you through fear. They control you by convincing you that the world is a scary dangerous place, but they're here to protect you, care for you, and keep you safe, just as long as you OBEY.
They know that as long as you're locked inside your comfortable home with Netflix, Hulu, Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, and a cell phone, while dangling a $1200 check in front of you like a carrot on a stick, you'll comply. No force is necessary for the majority of the herd.
YOU ARE IMPRISONED, willingly, and you're too blind to see it. _________________ http://chickhearn.ytmnd.com/
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Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2020 8:21 am Post subject: |
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^^^^
There is a fair amount of alarmist stuff like this out there. Overall, it's not a bad thing that some people are making the point. In times of crisis, the government can absolutely get out of control. Let's not forget the Patriot Act, to use a recent example. There have been some troublesome uses of emergency powers in this crisis, from shutting down abortion clinics to targeting immigrants and asylum seekers. (The right wingers don't complain about that stuff. Surprise, surprise. But that's for The Political Thread.)
This is not to say that we are really spiraling into the police state that this guy is suggesting. But it's not a bad thing that some people are raising concerns about this. When we give this much power to the government to respond to a crisis, we need to keep a close watch on how that power is being used. _________________ Internet Argument Resolved |
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Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2020 8:46 am Post subject: |
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^^100% in agreement
Issues must be able to be discussed unemotionally. Just the facts.
Bill Gates spoke of later stages we might even be required to wear badges showing carrier and non carrier etc..
Google is already using our cell phones to "anonymously" track us during the Pandemic. |
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