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Posted: Sat Jul 17, 2021 3:14 pm Post subject:
LarryCoon wrote:
This doesn't do justice to what homeopathy is. It's not a minimum amount of a substance. It's absolutely no substance at all. Homeopathy is pure sympathetic magic. They first assume "like cures like," so if you have symptom X, they take something that also causes symptom X (sometimes the same substance), and do a dilution ritual on it. For example, if the homeopathic dilution is "10X" it means they mixed substance to water in a 1 to 1,000 ratio (that's the X), and they shake it -- along one axis, then along another, and finally on the third axis. They then take the resulting dilution, and put THAT into water in another 1 to 1,000 ration and repeat the process. The 10 in the 10X means they repeat the process 10 times. The final ratio is one part substance to 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 parts water.
Homeopathy was invented before the atomic theory of matter was discovered, and before that, they assumed that any substance was infinitely dilutable. But that's not true -- Avogadro did the math on how many molecules of a substance would exist in a given amount of material. As it turns out, with those dilutions, you would need a vessel the size of the solar system to have a reasonable chance of containing a single molecule of the original substance. Homeopathic remedies are quite literally pure water (or sugar, depending on whether you get it in liquid or pill form).
So how do they continue to claim it works, given that we now understand things like molecules? They say the water retains memory of the substance it had in it. Like I said, pure sympathetic magic. (And it leaves me to wonder why the water doesn't also contain memory of all the poop it's had in it...)
Worse, because these labs often don't have the best quality controls, there have been real poisoning cases from people ingesting harmful levels of toxic substances that accidentally got in there.
You're right about homeopathy. It's a pseudoscience. Not to be trusted.
Just so you know. That's not 10x. 10x means 1 part solute 9 parts solvent.
So say you have a cup that can fit 10 ounces of liquid. And you don't want to fill the whole thing up with orange juice cause pure OJ is too sweet for you.
So you put 1 oz of OJ (solute) in the cup and then add 9 ounces of water (solvent). You just made a 10x dilution of OJ to drink.
Say that 10x dilution is still to sweet for you. So you take 1 oz of your watered down OJ and move it to another 10 oz cup. And then fill the remaining 9 oz with even more water. You've now made a 100x dilution of the pure OJ. Etc. Etc. People do serial dilutions in labs over and over again and get very low concentration like you are saying.
Just telling you this so some a-hole doesn't try to dismiss your accurate description of homeopathy because you are mixed up on this point.
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The more I think about it, the more the LA County thing really irritates me.
- 100% of hospitalizations in LA county hospitals are unvaccinated
- free vaccinations have been available for months
- the state tried bribing people to get vaccinations with lotteries
- a REALLY big carrot for getting vaccinated (life returning to normal) is removed
- antivaxxers are even LESS likely to get vaccinated now
- it unnecessarily makes vaccinations look like they aren't effective (70% vaccinated but masks have to come back?)
- what is the end game here? everyone wears masks forever because 20-30% of people are in a death cult?
At some point, we're going to have to let Darwin take over here. We can't keep inconveniencing 70-80% of the population that believe in the science, spent 15 months waiting and doing the right thing and finally getting their vaccinations, just because Qtards want to kill themselves.
If necessary, make vaccine passports a thing, and heavily enforce it. I know some people will hand wave about 1984, but honestly, these people need to be shamed and inconvenienced until they either comply or kill themselves through their own stupidity. We talk about a tyranny of the minority politically, but this is even worse.
Even more maddening is that not all of the fools who wind up getting severely ill from Covid because they didn't vax up are even contrite about the ordeal/situation. They are proudly pig-sht ignorant even after they've been resurrected thru the work of medical staff who shouldn't even have to suffer the pigs. I've heard more than one Q and/or Trump idiot after the fact say that they haven't been taught a lesson, nor even admit they were fools for not believing the warnings and yadda yadda.
Indeed. I have a close friend who works in a major hospital here, and he tells me that he’s seen COVID patients deny COVID is a thing even to the end before they died. How do you get people like that to get a vaccine? I don’t think it’s possible.
Part of being not so stupid is knowing when one doesn't know enough and/or may need more information. These anti-vax idiots are too stupid to know how stupid they really are.
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Posted: Sat Jul 17, 2021 4:40 pm Post subject:
non-player zealot wrote:
DaMuleRules wrote:
FernieBee wrote:
Part of being not so stupid is knowing when one doesn't know enough and/or may need more information. These anti-vax idiots are too stupid to know how stupid they really are.
Fancy way of saying they don't know what they don't know.
It's even worse than that. The less they know, the more they are convinced they know more than everyone else. _________________ You thought God was an architect, now you know
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Part of being not so stupid is knowing when one doesn't know enough and/or may need more information. These anti-vax idiots are too stupid to know how stupid they really are.
Fancy way of saying they don't know what they don't know.
It's even worse than that. The less they know, the more they are convinced they know more than everyone else.
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MOUNTAIN HOME, Ark. — When the boat factory in this leafy Ozark Mountains city offered free coronavirus vaccinations this spring, Susan Johnson, 62, a receptionist there, declined the offer, figuring she was protected as long as she never left her house without a mask.
Linda Marion, 68, a widow with chronic pulmonary disease, worried that a vaccination might actually trigger Covid-19 and kill her. Barbara Billigmeier, 74, an avid golfer who retired here from California, believed she did not need it because “I never get sick.”
Last week, all three were patients on 2 West, an overflow ward that is now largely devoted to treating Covid-19 at Baxter Regional Medical Center, the largest hospital in north-central Arkansas. Mrs. Billigmeier said the scariest part was that “you can’t breathe.” For 10 days, Ms. Johnson had relied on supplemental oxygen being fed to her lungs through nasal tubes.
Ms. Marion said that at one point, she felt so sick and frightened that she wanted to give up. “It was just terrible,” she said. “I felt like I couldn’t take it.”
Yet despite their ordeals, none of them changed their minds about getting vaccinated. “It’s just too new,” Mrs. Billigmeier said. “It is like an experiment.”
While much of the nation tiptoes toward normalcy, the coronavirus is again swamping hospitals in places like Mountain Home, a city of fewer than 13,000 people not far from the Missouri border. A principal reason, health officials say, is the emergence of the new, far more contagious variant called Delta, which now accounts for more than half of new infections in the United States.
The variant has highlighted a new divide in America, between communities with high vaccination rates, where it causes hardly a ripple, and those like Mountain Home that are undervaccinated, where it threatens to upend life all over again. Part of the country is breathing a sigh of relief; part is holding its breath.
While infections rose in more than half the nation’s counties last week, those with low vaccination rates were far more likely to see bigger jumps. Among the 25 counties with the sharpest increases in cases, all but one had vaccinated under 40 percent of residents, and 16 had vaccinated under 30 percent, a New York Times analysis found.
In Baxter County, where the hospital is, fewer than a third of residents are fully vaccinated — below both the state and the national averages. Even fewer people are protected in surrounding counties that the hospital serves.
“It’s absolutely flooded,” said Dr. Rebecca Martin, a pulmonologist, as she made the rounds of 2 West one morning last week.
In the first half of June, the hospital averaged only one or two Covid-19 patients a day. On Thursday, 22 of the unit’s 32 beds were filled with coronavirus patients. Five more were in intensive care. In a single week, the number of Covid patients had jumped by one-third.
Overall, Arkansas ranks near the bottom of states in the share of population that is vaccinated. Only 44 percent of residents have received at least one shot.
“Boy, we’ve tried just about everything we can think of,” a retired National Guard colonel, Robert Ator, who runs the state’s vaccination effort, said in an interview. For about one in three residents, he said, “I don’t think there’s a thing in the world we could do to get them to get vaccinated.”
For that, the state is paying a price. Hospitalizations have quadrupled since mid-May. More than a third of patients are in intensive care. Deaths, a lagging indicator, are also expected to rise, health officials said.
Dr. José R. Romero, the state health director, said he still believed enough Arkansans were vaccinated, or immune from having contracted Covid-19, that the “darkest days” of December and January were behind them. “What I’m concerned about now is we’ll have a rise or surge,” he said, “then winter is going to add another surge, so we’re going to have a surge on top of a surge.”
Dr. Mark Williams, the dean of the College of Public Health at the University of Arkansas for Medical Sciences, said the Delta variant was upending his projections for the pandemic. It is spreading through the state’s unvaccinated population “at a very fast rate,” he said, and threatens to strain the ability of hospitals to cope. “I would say we have definitely hit the alarming stage,” he said.
At Baxter Regional, many doctors and nurses are girding for another wave while still exhausted from battling the pandemic they thought had abated.
“I started having flashbacks, like PTSD,” said Dr. Martin, the pulmonologist, who obsesses over her patients’ care. “This is going to sound very selfish but unfortunately it’s true: The fact that people won’t get vaccinated means I can’t go home and see my kids for dinner.”
The Biden administration has pledged to help stem outbreaks by supplying Covid-19 tests and treatments, promoting vaccines with advertising campaigns and sending community health workers door to door to try to persuade the hesitant.
But not all those tactics are welcome. Dr. Romero said Arkansas would happily accept more monoclonal antibody therapies, a Covid-19 treatment often used in outpatient settings. But Mr. Ator, the vaccine coordinator, said door-knocking “would probably do more harm than good,” given residents’ suspicions of federal intentions.
Both said the Arkansas public had been saturated with vaccine promotions and incentives, including free lottery tickets, hunting and fishing licenses and stands offering shots at state parks and high school graduation ceremonies.
The last mass vaccination event was May 4, when the Arkansas Travelers, a minor-league baseball team, had its first game since the pandemic hit. Thousands gathered at the stadium in Little Rock to watch. Fourteen accepted shots.
Even health care workers have balked. Statewide, only about 40 percent are vaccinated, Dr. Romero said.
In April, the state legislature added yet another roadblock, making it essentially illegal for any state or local entity, including public hospitals, to require coronavirus vaccination as a condition of education or employment until two years after the Food and Drug Administration fully licenses a shot. That almost certainly means no such requirements can be issued until late in 2023.
Only fear of the Delta variant appears to be pushing some off the fence.
When the pandemic hit, Baxter Regional became a vaccine distribution center and inoculated 5,500 people. But only half of its 1,800 staff members accepted shots, according to Jonny Harvey, its occupational health coordinator. By early June, demand had tapered off so much that the hospital was administering an average of one a day.
Now, Mr. Harvey said, he is ordering enough vaccine to deliver 30 shots a day because people are increasingly anxious of the Delta variant. “I hate that we are having the surge,” he said. “But I do like that we are vaccinating people.”
At the state’s only academic medical center in Little Rock, run by the University of Arkansas for Medical Sciences, vaccines are also suddenly more popular. Over a recent two-week period, the share of the hospital’s staff who are vaccinated jumped to 86 percent from 75 percent.
But those encouraging signs are outweighed by the soaring number of Covid-19 patients. On Saturday, the Little Rock hospital held 51 patients, more than at any point since Feb. 2. In April, there was one coronavirus death. In June, there were six.
Dr. Williams, who has been charting the coronavirus’s trajectory, said the rise in infections and hospitalizations mirrored what he saw in October. And there are other troubling signs.
A larger share of those who are now becoming infected, he said, need hospitalization. And once there, Dr. Steppe Mette, the chief executive of the Little Rock hospital, said, they appeared to need a higher level of care than those who were sickened by the original variant. That is despite the fact that they are younger.
The average age of a coronavirus patient in Arkansas has dropped by nearly a decade since December — from 63 to 54 — a reflection of the fact that three-fourths of older Arkansans are at least partly vaccinated. But some patients at the Little Rock hospital are in their 20s or 30s.
“It’s really discouraging to see younger, sicker patients,” Dr. Mette said. “We didn’t see this degree of illness earlier in the epidemic.”
Young, pregnant coronavirus patients were once rare at the hospital. But recently, four or five of them ended up in intensive care. Three were treated with a machine called ECMO — short for extracorporeal membrane oxygenation — a step some consider a last resort after ventilators fail. The machine routes blood from the body and into equipment that adds oxygen, then pumps it back into the patient.
Ashton Reed, 25, a coordinator in a county prosecutor’s office, was about 30 weeks pregnant when she arrived at the hospital on May 26, critically ill. To save her life, doctors delivered her baby girl by emergency cesarean section, then hooked her up to the ECMO machine.
In a public service announcement later urging vaccination, her husband said she went from sinus trouble to life support in 10 days.
“I almost died,” she said. “My thoughts have definitely changed on the vaccine.”
Last month, the hospital had to reopen a coronavirus ward it had closed in late spring. On Monday, it reopened a second.
Many of the nurses there wore colorful stickers announcing they were vaccinated. Ashley Ayers, 26, a traveling nurse from Dallas, did not. Noting that vaccine development typically took years, she said she worried that the shot might impair her fertility — even though there is no evidence of that.
“I just think it was rushed,” she said.
David Deutscher, 49, one of her patients for nearly a week, is no longer a holdout. A heating and air conditioning specialist and Air Force veteran, he said he fought Covid for 10 days at home before he went to the hospital with a 105-degree fever.
The experience has shaken him to his core. He dissolved into tears describing it, apologizing for being an emotional wreck.
When he failed to improve with monoclonal antibody treatment, he said, “that was probably the most scared I have ever been.” He called a friend, the daughter of a medical researcher, from his hospital bed. “Please don’t let me die,” he said.
He said he never got vaccinated because he figured a mask would suffice. In the past 21 years, he has had the flu once.
“Once I started feeling better,” Mr. Deutscher said, “I got on the phone and I just starting calling everybody to tell them to go get that vaccine.” He did not even wait to be discharged.
The coronavirus “is no joke,” he told his friends. Three of them got a shot.
Mr. Deutscher went home on July 9, bringing a song for one of his five grandchildren that he had written in his hospital bed. His theme was the value of life.
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Posted: Sat Jul 17, 2021 4:57 pm Post subject:
non-player zealot wrote:
DaMuleRules wrote:
non-player zealot wrote:
DaMuleRules wrote:
FernieBee wrote:
Part of being not so stupid is knowing when one doesn't know enough and/or may need more information. These anti-vax idiots are too stupid to know how stupid they really are.
Fancy way of saying they don't know what they don't know.
It's even worse than that. The less they know, the more they are convinced they know more than everyone else.
Sorry. I didn't know what I didn't know when I said they didn't know what they didn't know to which you said the less they know, the more convinced they know MOAR than the rest of us know. Ya know?
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Q tells me the Delta & Lamba variants are no big deal, similar to a light flu. Q wouldn't lie to me, and if Q did lie, it would be for a secret and important reason. I am with Q, and Q is with me.
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Posted: Sat Jul 17, 2021 7:56 pm Post subject:
FernieBee wrote:
Q tells me the Delta & Lamba variants are no big deal, similar to a light flu. Q wouldn't lie to me, and if Q did lie, it would be for a secret and important reason. I am with Q, and Q is with me.
Winning!
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Just telling you this so some a-hole doesn't try to dismiss your accurate description of homeopathy because you are mixed up on this point.
I actually left it like that to see if someone would try that. I started out with C, decided I liked the number with M but brain-farted an X, and then left it that way.
Last edited by LarryCoon on Sun Jul 18, 2021 6:45 am; edited 1 time in total
Part of being not so stupid is knowing when one doesn't know enough and/or may need more information. These anti-vax idiots are too stupid to know how stupid they really are.
Fancy way of saying they don't know what they don't know.
It's even worse than that. The less they know, the more they are convinced they know more than everyone else.
Right -- underlying the D-K effect is the overconfidence bias, but D&K found that the level of confidence as a function of knowledge took on a funny shape at the high end as well. It was too high for low levels of knowledge, then tapered off, then -surprisingly- dropped with high levels of knowledge. The explanation is that once someone knows enough to understand what they don't know about a topic, their level of confidence drops.
Here's my favorite David Dunning quote: "An ignorant mind is precisely not a spotless, empty vessel, but one that's filled with the clutter of irrelevant or misleading life experiences, theories, facts, intuitions, strategies, algorithms, heuristics, metaphors and hunches that regrettably have the look and feel of useful and accurate knowledge."
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Posted: Sun Jul 18, 2021 9:12 am Post subject:
LarryCoon wrote:
DaMuleRules wrote:
non-player zealot wrote:
DaMuleRules wrote:
FernieBee wrote:
Part of being not so stupid is knowing when one doesn't know enough and/or may need more information. These anti-vax idiots are too stupid to know how stupid they really are.
Fancy way of saying they don't know what they don't know.
It's even worse than that. The less they know, the more they are convinced they know more than everyone else.
Right -- underlying the D-K effect is the overconfidence bias, but D&K found that the level of confidence as a function of knowledge took on a funny shape at the high end as well. It was too high for low levels of knowledge, then tapered off, then -surprisingly- dropped with high levels of knowledge. The explanation is that once someone knows enough to understand what they don't know about a topic, their level of confidence drops.
Here's my favorite David Dunning quote: "An ignorant mind is precisely not a spotless, empty vessel, but one that's filled with the clutter of irrelevant or misleading life experiences, theories, facts, intuitions, strategies, algorithms, heuristics, metaphors and hunches that regrettably have the look and feel of useful and accurate knowledge."
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Depressing. I wish vaccines for at least 5-11 would be prioritized since school will start soon. I feel like I’m sending my daughter into certain infection next month with masks being optional (she will be masked).
I wish vaccines for at least 5-11 would be prioritized since school will start soon. I feel like I’m sending my daughter into certain infection next month with masks being optional (she will be masked).
My sister is having her two kids, 12 & 8, stay on, for another year of online schooling, since the 8-year old isn't vaccinated, yet. That's an option for her kids' schools (Lemon Grove, CA, part of San Diego County). _________________ Garvey, Lopes, Cey, Russell
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Posted: Sun Jul 18, 2021 4:00 pm Post subject:
FernieBee wrote:
trmiv wrote:
I wish vaccines for at least 5-11 would be prioritized since school will start soon. I feel like I’m sending my daughter into certain infection next month with masks being optional (she will be masked).
My sister is having her two kids, 12 & 8, stay on, for another year of online schooling, since the 8-year old isn't vaccinated, yet. That's an option for her kids' schools (Lemon Grove, CA, part of San Diego County).
I’m not sure what to do with our 8 year old. We can take her out of her regular school and enroll her in Florida Virtual School. But I’m definitely worried about keeping her home another year. She hasn’t been physically to school since March 2020 and really hasn’t even played with another kid since then either. I definitely feel it’s impacted her social development. I really don’t want to keep her home again, but the asinine decision to make masks optional for a population of kids that can’t even be vaccinated is really giving me pause especially since we have an infant at home as well.
I wish vaccines for at least 5-11 would be prioritized since school will start soon. I feel like I’m sending my daughter into certain infection next month with masks being optional (she will be masked).
My sister is having her two kids, 12 & 8, stay on, for another year of online schooling, since the 8-year old isn't vaccinated, yet. That's an option for her kids' schools (Lemon Grove, CA, part of San Diego County).
I’m not sure what to do with our 8 year old. We can take her out of her regular school and enroll her in Florida Virtual School. But I’m definitely worried about keeping her home another year. She hasn’t been physically to school since March 2020 and really hasn’t even played with another kid since then either. I definitely feel it’s impacted her social development. I really don’t want to keep her home again, but the asinine decision to make masks optional for a population of kids that can’t even be vaccinated is really giving me pause especially since we have an infant at home as well.
Just let her go back to school then.
edit: Per CDC:
Quote:
Children should not be vaccinated for the moment.
There is not yet enough evidence on the use of vaccines against COVID-19 in children to make recommendations for children to be vaccinated against COVID-19. Children and adolescents tend to have milder disease compared to adults. However, children should continue to have the recommended childhood vaccines.
American Academy of Pediatrics Urges Masks in Schools for Students, Staff Over Age 2
Lauren Camera 21 hrs ago
Returning students to in-person learning this fall is just as crucial as requiring them to mask while at school, the American Academy of Pediatrics urged in updated guidance released Monday.
"As we start the 2021-22 school year, a large portion of students are not eligible to be vaccinated and there are COVID variants that are more contagious," Dr. Sonja O'Leary, chair of the AAP's Council on School Health Executive Committee, said in a statement. "Because of this and because we want to have all students in school, the AAP advocates for all students, teachers and staff to wear masks while indoors in school."
Specifically the guidance states that "all students older than 2 years and all school staff should wear face masks at school."
The updated guidance comes as a growing number of states have barred local schools from enforcing mask mandates – a trend that's concerning public health officials as it's occurring alongside the rapid spread of the delta variant, an uptick in hospitalizations in some counties and a drop in vaccination rates among children 12 and up. (Currently, those 12 and older are eligible for the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine in the U.S.)
Notably, the new guidance from the AAP counters updated guidance released earlier this month by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, which said that teachers, students and school staff who are fully vaccinated against the coronavirus do not need to wear masks inside classrooms.
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Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2021 7:13 am Post subject:
FernieBee wrote:
Quote:
American Academy of Pediatrics Urges Masks in Schools for Students, Staff Over Age 2
Lauren Camera 21 hrs ago
Returning students to in-person learning this fall is just as crucial as requiring them to mask while at school, the American Academy of Pediatrics urged in updated guidance released Monday.
"As we start the 2021-22 school year, a large portion of students are not eligible to be vaccinated and there are COVID variants that are more contagious," Dr. Sonja O'Leary, chair of the AAP's Council on School Health Executive Committee, said in a statement. "Because of this and because we want to have all students in school, the AAP advocates for all students, teachers and staff to wear masks while indoors in school."
Specifically the guidance states that "all students older than 2 years and all school staff should wear face masks at school."
The updated guidance comes as a growing number of states have barred local schools from enforcing mask mandates – a trend that's concerning public health officials as it's occurring alongside the rapid spread of the delta variant, an uptick in hospitalizations in some counties and a drop in vaccination rates among children 12 and up. (Currently, those 12 and older are eligible for the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine in the U.S.)
Notably, the new guidance from the AAP counters updated guidance released earlier this month by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, which said that teachers, students and school staff who are fully vaccinated against the coronavirus do not need to wear masks inside classrooms.
This reminds me of the initial COVID spread where we waited too long to nip it in the bud then before long we had an out of control wild fire to deal with.
It would be so much easier if everyone just masked back up and socially distanced as much as possible -- even if everything stays open.
But no. We're Amurica where you can't tell us what to do because we love our Freedumb. Dumb being the operative part of that word.
We are 70% vaxxed in Massachusetts but we have tourists in the summer from everywhere. So now our COVID numbers are quickly going back up too.
And even if you're vaxxed, the more opportunities we give the variant to roam freely and virulently, the more opportunities for breakthrough infections.
And someone must have threatened to sue Fox News over spreading COVID and vaccine misinformation because all of the sudden yesterday, every single one of the hosts starting proclaiming how much they believe in science and vaccines and urged their watchers to take COVID seriously, be careful and talk to their doctor about getting vaccinated. Purely a cover your ass move.
But of course it's too late for the brainwashed cult, they probably aren't changing their closed minds at this point.
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