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 Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2006 7:37 pm Post subject: Something to remember when bashing Sasha |
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The guy makes me pull my hair out as much as anyone, but we have to remember that euros take time to make the NBA transition. This is essentially Sasha's first season, he barely played last year during a VERY tumultuous season under a bright spotlight. Also, consider this:
Dirk Nowitski shot .209 from the arc his rookie year.
Peja Stojakovic shot .320 from the arc his rookie year.
That pair is now considered two of the best shooters in the game and they both got big minutes their first year on horrible teams (the Kings and Mavs were both AWFUL when those guys started out). They had little pressure to deal with and were encouraged to jack up shots. Sasha on the other hand, plays with the biggest competitor in the game since MJ and for a coach who traditionally doesn't trust younger players. And the guy is only 20 years old. I'd hate to see Sasha end up on another team and shoot the lights out on us. Which I think he might one day do. He'll never be a star, but he could be a Steve Kerr. |
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I like sasha and all...but I dont think he'll up on another team 
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Hector the Pup
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This isn't Sasha's rookie year.
He's a 11:00 shooter, which means he's money in practice, but once the lights go on and the crowd gathers, the deadeye goes bye bye. |
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| Remember this when drafting players. Never draft 19 year old white guys. |
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pjiddy
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| Hector the Pup wrote: | This isn't Sasha's rookie year.
He's a 11:00 shooter, which means he's money in practice, but once the lights go on and the crowd gathers, the deadeye goes bye bye. |
I know it's not his rookie year. If you look above i wrote that it's*basically* his rookie year. Last season he got very few minutes, playing for a team that just had a major roster haul, learning a new offense, with a new coach that quit midseason, with injuries to the two best players, and playing under the LA spotlight. Not to mention that he was a 19-year-old living in a new country and learning a new culture and language. |
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| And he has to walk 30 miles to practice, uphills through the snow, both ways, without shoes while dragging a sled full of rocks. |
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| pjiddy wrote: | | Hector the Pup wrote: | This isn't Sasha's rookie year.
He's a 11:00 shooter, which means he's money in practice, but once the lights go on and the crowd gathers, the deadeye goes bye bye. |
I know it's not his rookie year. If you look above i wrote that it's*basically* his rookie year. Last season he got very few minutes, playing for a team that just had a major roster haul, learning a new offense, with a new coach that quit midseason, with injuries to the two best players, and playing under the LA spotlight. Not to mention that he was a 19-year-old living in a new country and learning a new culture and language. |
Its not even worth trying to explain it some of these people on this board. They have no patience and want every player to be the greatest ever instantly. Contrary to popular belief players just don't come into the league and just dominate epsecially that young. Hes a 20 something pick, not number 1, he's not lebron. How is he supposed to get comfortable in the game shooting when he gets what 18 minutes a game. He basically only takes three's and long two's, and is shooting 35% from three which is like going 50% from the field when factored in for the extra points. I'm so glad the majority of the people in here are not the gm, they want to trade everyone constantly everytime they have a bad game. What do you want to be the knicks? Do you want to constantly add pieces just to add pieces so you develop no continuity and no one is able to play with each other. I'm glad we have people in the front office that realize that to be great is not an over night process you can't just make a lateral trade and be great it doesn't work like that. You have to plan, develop a core, and add the missing piece or piece and go for a title run, its been the same every year for every championship team. |
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| Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2006 9:08 pm Post subject: |
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sasha doesnt belong in this league. hes one of the biggest stiffs from an athletic standpoint. if he wasnt guaranteed he wouldnt be on the team.
thats all you have to remember. |
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| ^then y does phil play him in the regular rotation if he's that bad? Why not play devin green then? Or the supposed greatest thing since sliced bread VON WAFER!!.. |
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Something to remember when bashing Sasha...that he is a 12 year old girl. Yeah I said it. On a serious note, Sasha isn't all that bad if he learns not to reach all of the time and shoots consistently. Oh yeah, and finish layups. Overall he has a lot of work to do but he hustles.
PS: he needs to work on his game face also, every close up of him he looks like he's about to cry. |
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| lakers0505 wrote: | | ^then y does phil play him in the regular rotation if he's that bad? Why not play devin green then? Or the supposed greatest thing since sliced bread VON WAFER!!.. |
Because every couch coach on this board is a better coach than Phil. What does it matter if he has 9 NBA rings? Everyone else knows what they're talking about.
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| kells1220 wrote: | | Something to remember when bashing Sasha...that he is a 12 year old girl. Yeah I said it.. |
I agree - Cohen has more guts than Vujacic |
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Sasha's game in incomplete.
He has no inside game. If he could post small guards up and get to the foul line that will atleast be something.
He's too young right now, but we don't have anybody else. Next year he'll play better.
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| Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2006 10:03 pm Post subject: Re: Something to remember when bashing Sasha |
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| pjiddy wrote: | The guy makes me pull my hair out as much as anyone, but we have to remember that euros take time to make the NBA transition. This is essentially Sasha's first season, he barely played last year during a VERY tumultuous season under a bright spotlight. Also, consider this:
Dirk Nowitski shot .209 from the arc his rookie year.
Peja Stojakovic shot .320 from the arc his rookie year.
That pair is now considered two of the best shooters in the game and they both got big minutes their first year on horrible teams (the Kings and Mavs were both AWFUL when those guys started out). They had little pressure to deal with and were encouraged to jack up shots. Sasha on the other hand, plays with the biggest competitor in the game since MJ and for a coach who traditionally doesn't trust younger players. And the guy is only 20 years old. I'd hate to see Sasha end up on another team and shoot the lights out on us. Which I think he might one day do. He'll never be a star, but he could be a Steve Kerr. |
Can't really say I disagree with you although he already plays better defense than either of other two. |
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| lakers0505 wrote: | | ^then y does phil play him in the regular rotation if he's that bad? Why not play devin green then? Or the supposed greatest thing since sliced bread VON WAFER!!.. |
Because Sasha was a first round pick. Phil has to play him. And it's anybody's guess why Phil puts out the rotations he does, he's put out some stupid line ups that have cost us games. Sometimes I wonder if Phil forces these guys out there just to show management how bad these players are and how stupid their draft picks are. |
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| Sidious wrote: | | lakers0505 wrote: | | ^then y does phil play him in the regular rotation if he's that bad? Why not play devin green then? Or the supposed greatest thing since sliced bread VON WAFER!!.. |
Because Sasha was a first round pick. Phil has to play him. And it's anybody's guess why Phil puts out the rotations he does, he's put out some stupid line ups that have cost us games. Sometimes I wonder if Phil forces these guys out there just to show management how bad these players are and how stupid their draft picks are. |
Maybe he's forcing them to learn the Tri, and to learn how to play together. Phil does that. He sacrifices wins for them to learn the game.....etc. He did it his first 2 years here.
And the reason why Phil plays him is because we only have 2 PG on this team. Not because he was a 1 round pick.
We got topics about how are players don't give 110%, but then we have a guy who like Sasha puts out 110% and he gets bashed for being to aggressive on D, or taking to many shots.
You have to realise that these guys are growing and learning still.
Sasha is twice the player he was last year. If he keeps inproving this kid can end up pretty good. |
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I've bashed Sasha's play for a # of times but I do see improvement on his aggressiveness on defense & offense. He'd need to work on his strength or buff himself up to be more effective. Another positive on Sasha's play is that he rarely commits turnovers. He won't be a defensive stopper, he just doesn't have the quickness to be one, but he's a pesky and tall defender for the PG position. He also has an almost perfect form on his jump shot. Right now, I'm willing to be patient with this kid.
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| (bleep), at least the guy hustles and gives a damn, unlike some of the others...i appreciate the hustle and energy. |
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| Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2006 10:57 pm Post subject: Re: Something to remember when bashing Sasha |
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| pjiddy wrote: | | Which I think he might one day do. He'll never be a star, but he could be a Steve Kerr. |
I highly doubt that he will become the most accurate three point shooter in the history of the game. |
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| thumpinghead wrote: | Sasha's game in incomplete.
He has no inside game. If he could post small guards up and get to the foul line that will atleast be something.
He's too young right now, but we don't have anybody else. Next year he'll play better. |
if sasha had a complete game, he'd be an all-star. not every player who is 'good enough for the NBA' has an inside game, and i don't know why you feel that sasha ought to have an inside game - how many PGs in the NBA have an inside game? wade? jason kidd? steve nash?
not that sasha is ever gonna be as good as those guys, but he can at least be a steve kerr or a john paxson, both of whom were fairly one-dimensional but crucial parts of the bulls' championship teams.
sheesh. |
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| Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2006 11:27 pm Post subject: Re: Something to remember when bashing Sasha |
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| pjiddy wrote: | | He'll never be a star, but he could be a Steve Kerr. |
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| There's a difference between being aggressive and being stupid. Sasha is stupid. Sorry but mugging guys 30 feet away from the basket is not the kind of hustle any team needs. And then when they get inside the arc mysteriously the guy never puts a hand in anybody's face. The guy is just a stupid player. |
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| osj wrote: | | thumpinghead wrote: | Sasha's game in incomplete.
He has no inside game. If he could post small guards up and get to the foul line that will atleast be something.
He's too young right now, but we don't have anybody else. Next year he'll play better. |
if sasha had a complete game, he'd be an all-star. not every player who is 'good enough for the NBA' has an inside game, and i don't know why you feel that sasha ought to have an inside game - how many PGs in the NBA have an inside game? wade? jason kidd? steve nash?
not that sasha is ever gonna be as good as those guys, but he can at least be a steve kerr or a john paxson, both of whom were fairly one-dimensional but crucial parts of the bulls' championship teams.
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It's not that his game is incomplete, it's that he has no game in the first place. What does he do well? There's nothing that he contributes on the basketball court. He can't dribble like a point, he can't penetrate, he has no quickness, he has no athleticism, he has no size, and he can't score. |
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| Hector the Pup wrote: | This isn't Sasha's rookie year.
He's a 11:00 shooter, which means he's money in practice, but once the lights go on and the crowd gathers, the deadeye goes bye bye. |
That's immaturity isn't it? If what you say is true that is why Jax is investing so much time in him.
Let the puppy run with the Pack.He will stumble and, be awkward in the beggining until someday he will be the main killer
When you watch the emotion and the effort made by Sasha you just know that he won't quit or give up. He is mentally sound. He'll arrive soon. He and, Bynum have that look of sheer determination and, I love it. Especially since they both have skills. Jax knows that as soon as that kid gets as comfortable in the games as he does in practice the Lakers will now be in position to seriously hurt somebody.
In the next 2yrs those of us who waited for Sasha are going to be made proud. I really do hope the Lakers keep Sasha.
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| Sidious wrote: | | osj wrote: | | thumpinghead wrote: | Sasha's game in incomplete.
He has no inside game. If he could post small guards up and get to the foul line that will atleast be something.
He's too young right now, but we don't have anybody else. Next year he'll play better. |
if sasha had a complete game, he'd be an all-star. not every player who is 'good enough for the NBA' has an inside game, and i don't know why you feel that sasha ought to have an inside game - how many PGs in the NBA have an inside game? wade? jason kidd? steve nash?
not that sasha is ever gonna be as good as those guys, but he can at least be a steve kerr or a john paxson, both of whom were fairly one-dimensional but crucial parts of the bulls' championship teams.
sheesh. |
It's not that his game is incomplete, it's that he has no game in the first place. What does he do well? There's nothing that he contributes on the basketball court. He can't dribble like a point, he can't penetrate, he has no quickness, he has no athleticism, he has no size, and he can't score. |
You my friend are either not paying any attention or, there is obviously something wrong with your viewing equipment....
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