Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2020 9:34 am Post subject: Who was the most important or best role player between Fisher, Fox and Horry?
Who was the most important or best role player between Fisher, Fox and Horry?
Which player was your favorite?
To answer my own question, I believe Fox had the most overall talent. Fish was probably the most productive or important over the years, and Horry had the best knack for big moments (although Fish did as well). _________________ Good Laker book I recommend, "The Biggest What-If's in Lakers History" http://www.amazon.com/Biggest-What-Ifs-Angeles-History-ebook/dp/B00BB3OEC0
Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2020 9:35 am Post subject: Re: Who was the most important or best role player between Fisher, Fox and Horry?
madsen35 wrote:
I believe Fox had the most overall talent. Fish was probably the most productive or important over the years, and Horry had the best knack for big moments (although Fish did as well).
I always thought Horry was overrated. Yeah, he had some big games here and there. But generally he underperformed. And his defense wasn't all that special.
Granted, guys like Duncan and Webber are going to get their numbers. But other than 2001,when he had the help of Ho Grant, Horry was rarely able to slow down opposing power forwards.
I always thought Horry was overrated. Yeah, he had some big games here and there. But generally he underperformed. And his defense wasn't all that special.
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Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2020 4:10 pm Post subject:
I can't help but feel that if Fisher didn't play so poorly on defense earlier on in games, we never would have been in the position where we needed him to bail us out in the first place. _________________ Damian Lillard shatters Dwight Coward's championship dreams:
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Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2020 5:52 pm Post subject:
madsen35 wrote:
JUST-MING wrote:
Robert Horry
I always thought Horry was overrated. Yeah, he had some big games here and there. But generally he underperformed. And his defense wasn't all that special.
Granted, guys like Duncan and Webber are going to get their numbers. But other than 2001,when he had the help of Ho Grant, Horry was rarely able to slow down opposing power forwards.
I think Horry's biggest contribution, honestly, was being able to stretch the floor to give Shaq room to operate.
Holding elite players guys to roughly their averages and not 30-40 point blowout types is good defense, especially to guys who you know are going to get their numbers. _________________ Resident Car Nut.
Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2020 8:09 pm Post subject: Re: Who was the most important or best role player between Fisher, Fox and Horry?
madsen35 wrote:
Who was the most important or best role player between Fisher, Fox and Horry?
Which player was your favorite?
To answer my own question, I believe Fox had the most overall talent. Fish was probably the most productive or important over the years, and Horry had the best knack for big moments (although Fish did as well).
I think they all was equally important each one played big roles in different series _________________ Coach Vogel, Kidd, Hollins
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I always thought Horry was overrated. Yeah, he had some big games here and there. But generally he underperformed. And his defense wasn't all that special.
Granted, guys like Duncan and Webber are going to get their numbers. But other than 2001,when he had the help of Ho Grant, Horry was rarely able to slow down opposing power forwards.
I think Horry's biggest contribution, honestly, was being able to stretch the floor to give Shaq room to operate.
Holding elite players guys to roughly their averages and not 30-40 point blowout types is good defense, especially to guys who you know are going to get their numbers.
Kenyon Martin is not elite. He averaged 14 points and 5 rebounds in the 2001-02 regular season. He upped those numbers significantly against Horry.
Rasheed Wallace averaged 19 points and 8 rebounds in 2001-02. He upped those numbers significantly against Horry.
Cliff Robinson averaged 18.5 points and 4.5 rebounds in 1999-2000. He upped those numbers against Horry.
Charles Barkley significantly upped his numbers against Horry in 1998-99.
I could keep going with some of the other guys.
I'm not entirely blaming Horry because it's a team game and it's not like he guards these guys all the time. Plus, like you said, they are great players for the most part. But I think to claim his defense was good is a myth. _________________ Good Laker book I recommend, "The Biggest What-If's in Lakers History" http://www.amazon.com/Biggest-What-Ifs-Angeles-History-ebook/dp/B00BB3OEC0
Gotta say Fish, hard to argue with 5 championships. Dude was always a ROCK come playoff time.
Horry has 7. Riding with him.
Rob always struck me as the lazy genius. If you look at his defensive statistics, what Phil said about him and the eye test, Robert always seemed to be at the right place at the right time. His defense was steller no matter what those one on one battles with Malone in 98 and Duncan in 03 will tell you. That said, he didnt develop too much from when he first entered the league. He developed his 3 ball his first few years in Houston and that was it. Robert was never a better player than his first few years in Houston. His lack of ball-handling was always evident and always reminded me of when Worthy would try to "dribble." But James was deadly in the high and low post and was a true offensive threat.
In terms of complete player, I would have to go with Fox. Solid perimeter defense, decent perimeter shooting and somewhat the ability to take it off the dribble (at least much better than Horry) makes me choose Fox.
Comparing apples to oranges IMO. Without Horry, we most likely don't complete the three peat. Fisher was integral to securing the 09 and 10 championships. Fox was the quintessential role player and defender until age and injuries slowed him down We're lucky to have had all 3.
Gotta say Fish, hard to argue with 5 championships. Dude was always a ROCK come playoff time.
Horry has 7. Riding with him.
Rob always struck me as the lazy genius. If you look at his defensive statistics, what Phil said about him and the eye test, Robert always seemed to be at the right place at the right time. His defense was steller no matter what those one on one battles with Malone in 98 and Duncan in 03 will tell you. That said, he didnt develop too much from when he first entered the league. He developed his 3 ball his first few years in Houston and that was it. Robert was never a better player than his first few years in Houston. His lack of ball-handling was always evident and always reminded me of when Worthy would try to "dribble." But James was deadly in the high and low post and was a true offensive threat.
In terms of complete player, I would have to go with Fox. Solid perimeter defense, decent perimeter shooting and somewhat the ability to take it off the dribble (at least much better than Horry) makes me choose Fox.
man...he's either some kind of genius, or he is the damn luckiest person that ever graced an NBA floor. yea yea I should go read the paper or something....
you can't analze horry in these kinds of debates, where it's about a body of work and stuff. he's very unique....none of that matters. with him it's all about the handful of his shots that basically have altered NBA history like no other. The bulk volume of his work does not stand out compared to anyone you want to compare him to. But nobody has those singular moments like him.
man...he's either some kind of genius, or he is the damn luckiest person that ever graced an NBA floor. yea yea I should go read the paper or something....
He ain't lucky. He had the skillset to make those big plays and kept doing it. Y'all saw what he did next to Dream and got him to do the same next to Shaq, and he did it. Pop said I want some of that next to Duncan, and he did it there too. Teams targeted him for that role. That ain't luck.
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