How good would this team be with LeBron + the full young core intact? (But no AD).
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How far would they have made it?
Championship
5%
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Lost in finals
0%
 0%  [ 0 ]
Lost in WCF
16%
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Lost in semis
29%
 29%  [ 11 ]
Lost in first round
18%
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Missed playoffs
29%
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 29, 2020 3:08 pm    Post subject:

With the young core instead of AD, we would be a good playoff team, but not as good as we are now. Ingram would've given LeBron a legit sidekick, but we would've been without AD's post scoring, rim protection, rebounding and transition buckets.

This reminds me of something Dr. Buss told Kobe when he demanded a trade. Buss said something along the lines of, if he sold a 16-carat pendant for 4 4-carat pendants, they would've be worth nearly as much as the 16-carat pendant.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 29, 2020 4:35 pm    Post subject:

slavavov wrote:
With the young core instead of AD, we would be a good playoff team, but not as good as we are now. Ingram would've given LeBron a legit sidekick, but we would've been without AD's post scoring, rim protection, rebounding and transition buckets.

This reminds me of something Dr. Buss told Kobe when he demanded a trade. Buss said something along the lines of, if he sold a 16-carat pendant for 4 4-carat pendants, they would've be worth nearly as much as the 16-carat pendant.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 29, 2020 6:26 pm    Post subject:

I put loss in WCF... but for this analogy to be fair... you'd need some fortunate signings like getting Dwight and Rondo for nothing added to the youngsters.

I'm hoping for the best this season... But I'd feel a lot better if Rondo was healthy or Bradley was playing.

It's too bad CoVid derailed this current team because they had a good chance of winning it all.

I wonder if you added AD to the Bucks instead of Giannis if they'd be more like the Pelicans AD teams or the second or third best team in the league?

Probably somewhere in between.

The key as always is LBJ. I can't put AD at Bron's level or even Giannis's until he proves he can win without him.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 30, 2020 12:00 pm    Post subject:

Lose in first round IMO because too many other good vet teams in the West. Defense would be a problem, even though I appreciate Lonzo there. Ball and Dlo and Lebron, too iffy.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 30, 2020 4:50 pm    Post subject:

I don't think young pups plus LBJ works practically...he wouldn't accept it. Still I take BI over AD long term.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 30, 2020 5:18 pm    Post subject:

a team with lebron and no AD will not win a ring. It will be exactly the same as the year before AD.

as you know me, i don't think lebron brings anything to the table an average nba player doesn't....like an Aminu or Randle or a whole bunch of other starters.

Also we have never seen a lebron team succeed without a lot of other stars around him. Honestly, our team has nothing special outside of AD and Lebron. And Lebron is not because of the skills, just because of the name. So this question....we wouldn't go anywhere. If you like teams that don't win rings, but has players you like....maybe you would enjoy that.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 31, 2020 9:53 am    Post subject:

strong9 wrote:
I don't think young pups plus LBJ works practically...he wouldn't accept it. Still I take BI over AD long term.


Why would you take Ingram over AD?
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 01, 2020 4:22 pm    Post subject:

Can we lock this stupid thread up. I think the Pelicans v Clippers game answered your question.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 01, 2020 4:29 pm    Post subject:

AD23 wrote:
Can we lock this stupid thread up. I think the Pelicans v Clippers game answered your question.


So had they won, it would have changed your mind?
Let's face it, it wouldn't have.

If Zion is healthy they will be a good team.

The Clippers were fully motivated after losing and the Pels aren't good enough yet. And PG won't shoot 80% from three most games.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 01, 2020 4:39 pm    Post subject:

CandyCanes wrote:
strong9 wrote:
I don't think young pups plus LBJ works practically...he wouldn't accept it. Still I take BI over AD long term.


Why would you take Ingram over AD?


It isn't because I think BI is better than AD now, he obviously isn't. I just prefer the home grown long term talent of BI. He also has the ability to bring the ball up court and do more offensively. If AD stays and stays healthy then it isn't a huge disparity but if he continues to have injuries and we can't get a second star to complement him when LBJ leaves, then we are the Pels 2.0 for a 2-3 year window.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 01, 2020 7:04 pm    Post subject:

BILBJH wrote:
AD23 wrote:
Can we lock this stupid thread up. I think the Pelicans v Clippers game answered your question.


So had they won, it would have changed your mind?
Let's face it, it wouldn't have.

If Zion is healthy they will be a good team.

The Clippers were fully motivated after losing and the Pels aren't good enough yet. And PG won't shoot 80% from three most games.


Good doesn’t mean playoffs. Btw Ingram and Zion cannot play together.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 01, 2020 7:19 pm    Post subject:

AD23 wrote:
BILBJH wrote:
AD23 wrote:
Can we lock this stupid thread up. I think the Pelicans v Clippers game answered your question.


So had they won, it would have changed your mind?
Let's face it, it wouldn't have.

If Zion is healthy they will be a good team.

The Clippers were fully motivated after losing and the Pels aren't good enough yet. And PG won't shoot 80% from three most games.


Good doesn’t mean playoffs. Btw Ingram and Zion cannot play together.


This team is way too undisciplined and they need to trade Jrue for a center.

Jrue is a good player but AD never got anywhere with him, and he makes way too many mistakes.

I think BI and Zion can play with each other but I'm beginning to doubt Zion will ever be healthy.

If Zion is healthy they will be in the playoffs next season.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 01, 2020 7:19 pm    Post subject:

Struggle to make the playoffs, but if we made it anywhere from first round out to WCFs on the back of Lebron. I ended up voting first round out to split the difference.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 02, 2020 8:21 am    Post subject:

Ingram is showing out by not being the sidekick. Sublimating his game to Bron wasn’t going to work. His style means he has to be an alpha. The question now is whether he’s an alpha that can lead a good team or just the guy who fills up numbers on a bad or mediocre one.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 02, 2020 10:36 am    Post subject:

The tough thing about this hypothetical is James is not a “fit” for the rest of the players. His expectations and goals do not align with a young rebuilding team. Never did.

That is why most assumed the inevitable trade for a sidekick once they couldn’t sign one. That is why James was not interested in playing on a rebuilding team and it showed with his lack of commitment to the young core. I don’t remember the exact timeline but had the season even started before the desire to trade for Davis was leaked by Klutch and James.

The Lakers and James have exactly the team they desired. Now win. There are no more excuses or years to fine tune the roster.

As for the young Pelicans team. They have a foundation for a future. It will be interesting to see if they can take advantage of the assets or squander it.

Two teams in different places. Last year was just a bad fit for a lot of reasons. Most importantly because James wasn’t interested in it.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 02, 2020 12:03 pm    Post subject:

3rd or 4th seed.
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