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BandwagonLBJhopper
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| The Davis at Center helps but won’t matter if Vogel overplays Rondo |
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eznoh
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| In order to play small ball you need consistent outside shooters ... so let's not |
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Brawn13
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| If we go small...Harden is gonna have his way in the paint |
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| the lakers should take advantage of their height by continuously playing the low post. puting lebron and AD on the post will surely give them points or a foul and shoot those free throws. whay can't they do that? |
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epic_
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| Posted: Sat Sep 05, 2020 9:18 pm Post subject: |
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Tim says going big gives us better advantages.
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J.C. Smith
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| Posted: Sat Sep 05, 2020 10:48 pm Post subject: |
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| PinoyLBJFan wrote: | | the lakers should take advantage of their height by continuously playing the low post. puting lebron and AD on the post will surely give them points or a foul and shoot those free throws. whay can't they do that? |
I think the obvious thing to think of with their size is pound it inside take advantage of it. But they had a lot of problems getting the ball into the post. Ball denial defense, and then with Tucker he was strong enough to hold them off a bit.
In the first match up they tried to pound the ball down low but it was largely ineffective. I thought in Game 1 AD was effective in shooting over the top of guys but he wasn't able to really pound the ball inside and overpower guys.
Dwight might be able to overpower some guys but his offensive game leaves a lot to be desired these days. Lebron may be the best bet there. |
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troy
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Doc Rivers is able to get Zub and Harrrell consistent touches down low via the offensive scheme he runs. Zub is not that much different than McGee or D. Howard, offensively, and he is able to get his 10 points on 4/5 per game. If Vogel would improve his offensive scheme, D. Howard would be dominating inside, and thats not even taking into consideration using AD down low.
The reason why we can't "figure out" Houston's small ball attack is not due to their speed, it's due to the lack of effective coaching on Vogel's part. |
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troy
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| Posted: Sun Sep 06, 2020 7:32 am Post subject: |
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| PinoyLBJFan wrote: | | the lakers should take advantage of their height by continuously playing the low post. puting lebron and AD on the post will surely give them points or a foul and shoot those free throws. whay can't they do that? |
Vogel. I'm losing confidence in our coaching staff. |
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| PinoyLBJFan wrote: | | the lakers should take advantage of their height by continuously playing the low post. puting lebron and AD on the post will surely give them points or a foul and shoot those free throws. whay can't they do that? |
I don't think AD feels comfortable there. But I agree. And Lebron is more of a facilitator looking to kick the ball out. |
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| J.C. Smith wrote: | | PinoyLBJFan wrote: | | the lakers should take advantage of their height by continuously playing the low post. puting lebron and AD on the post will surely give them points or a foul and shoot those free throws. whay can't they do that? |
I think the obvious thing to think of with their size is pound it inside take advantage of it. But they had a lot of problems getting the ball into the post. Ball denial defense, and then with Tucker he was strong enough to hold them off a bit.
In the first match up they tried to pound the ball down low but it was largely ineffective. I thought in Game 1 AD was effective in shooting over the top of guys but he wasn't able to really pound the ball inside and overpower guys.
Dwight might be able to overpower some guys but his offensive game leaves a lot to be desired these days. Lebron may be the best bet there. |
This.
AD is not a low post beast. He gets rooted out and gets the ball in the post 18 feet out. He pivots face up or falls away rather than drawing contact. I think he needs to change his mindset.
I think LBJ also had to change his mindset before he started winning rings, so it’s possible. |
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| LakerSD wrote: | https://twitter.com/tim_nba/status/1302308461460492288?s=21
This is how you get AD the ball with the advantage. Not the inefficient, archaic post up that won’t work against Houston. |
Which is why I'm so frustrated with Vogel. Houston is a very beatable team. The Lakers size should and will prevail but ONLY IF Vogel gets a clue and starts drawing up the proper sets that will emphasize ball and body movement, cutting and picks so that we exploit our size advantage low in the key. Doc Rivers does this all the time with his bigs, but for some reason, Vogel doesn't.
If we lose to the Rockets, then I will 100% blame it on Vogel. |
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The Rockettes have a secret weapon, and it gives them an advantage, so basically they are playing 6 on 4, instead of 5 on 5!
The name of that secret weapon.....Rondo!
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| Posted: Sun Sep 06, 2020 11:26 am Post subject: |
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Exactly. This is not the series for AD at the 5. The clippers series (if there is one) is the one where AD needs to play heavy minutes at the 5. |
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J.C. Smith
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| It looks like small ball won out and changed the series. That probably won't be the case against the Clippers, but the Rockets have had no answer since the Lakers went "small". |
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| J.C. Smith wrote: | | It looks like small ball won out and changed the series. That probably won't be the case against the Clippers, but the Rockets have had no answer since the Lakers went "small". |
The funny thing is that we are not even close to small.
Lebron is our 6-9 250 lb PG lol (huge size advantage)
AD is 7-0 legit C size and towered over the Houston smalls.
Morris is 6-8 245 at the 4 a little above league average (or right around)
The only guys small or about average for the league size at their position are Green and KCP at the wings. |
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J.C. Smith
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| wolfpaclaker wrote: | | J.C. Smith wrote: | | It looks like small ball won out and changed the series. That probably won't be the case against the Clippers, but the Rockets have had no answer since the Lakers went "small". |
The funny thing is that we are not even close to small.
Lebron is our 6-9 250 lb PG lol (huge size advantage)
AD is 7-0 legit C size and towered over the Houston smalls.
Morris is 6-8 245 at the 4 a little above league average (or right around)
The only guys small or about average for the league size at their position are Green and KCP at the wings. |
Yeah, that's why I used the quotes. The Lakers brand of small ball is still larger than a lot of teams. But they also have a lot of athleticism with the size. Not to mention their guards (other than Cook) also have reasonable enough size.
It's also a nice bonus when guys like Rondo or Caruso are knocking down open threes.
The versatility they have to switch between a lineup with two seven footers or a lineup that can switch everything and guard the perimeter effectively is a luxury that few teams have. |
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To play small ball, we have to be good at shooting 3 point. And we are pretty bad at it.
We also don't have talent small ball players. Who gonna run? Caruso? |
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KBandKB
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| thurloly wrote: | To play small ball, we have to be good at shooting 3 point. And we are pretty bad at it.
We also don't have talent small ball players. Who gonna run? Caruso? |
What are you talking about? We won the last three games playing small ball. Did you even watch? |
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Vogel said it best today, Lakers aren’t playing small ball, they’re actually playing small-er ball.
In the regular season, Vogel used a 2 forward 3 guard lineup, but here in the playoffs, he adjusted by playing 3 forwards 2 guards instead.
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epic_
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| Posted: Fri Sep 11, 2020 12:19 am Post subject: |
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Lakers aren't playing small ball.
They're just playing "not as big" ball.
But loving the versatility of AD and our lineup in general. Good job Rob!
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| Posted: Fri Sep 11, 2020 1:44 am Post subject: |
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Can anyone call a lineup with LBJ und AD small ball?
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| Posted: Fri Sep 11, 2020 5:41 am Post subject: |
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| epic_ wrote: | Lakers aren't playing small ball.
They're just playing "not as big" ball.
But loving the versatility of AD and our lineup in general. Good job Rob! |
This exactly. The Laker's small ball line up has AD at center, who isn't exactly small, LBJ who maybe 6'8" but has the same build as Karl Malone and either Kuz or Kief who are stretch 4s. With KCP and DG starting that is as big as any teams roster and against Houston they switch everything. With Rondo & the Pope they go a little smaller and have run a third guard, which isn't unusual even in other eras. Glad our coach was stubborn as Mcgee & Dwight just weren't dominating enough to warrant what they gave up. |
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lar9149
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| Posted: Fri Sep 11, 2020 6:45 am Post subject: |
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| matigol wrote: | | Can anyone call a lineup with LBJ und AD small ball? |
Lebron James was asked about this during the post game interview yesterday..his answer
I am 6'8, AD is 6'11, Danny 6'7, Morris 6'10..plus our wingspan.
So we aren't really small ball. |
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