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PostPosted: Wed Sep 23, 2020 10:32 am    Post subject:

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Nuggets figured out the Lakers

Denver will win the series


You know what’s actually scary is that this isn’t just some anti-jinx attempt, it’s reality that the Nuggets found something that is working and unless Vogel figures it out and tries to come back with a game plan, we could be in trouble.


Well hopefully we figured out something on Denver during that come back and in the 4th...


That could be a positive way to look at it, G4 will tell us a lot.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 23, 2020 10:32 am    Post subject:

Jokic is the key. i don't worry about Murry at all, that guy is just a front runner, when thing gets tough it was Jokic brought them back each time, then Murry just gives them that extra push to get over the top. back to Jokic, we need to tire him out on defense, neither Dwight nor McGee can make him do so. why not put LeBron at center for stretch of time, LBJ may be shorter but he's stronger than Jokic, he can move him like PJ Tucker did to AD.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 23, 2020 10:36 am    Post subject:

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it's upon Vogel to make the adjustments against Denver's.

Denver's had us figured since halfway through Game 2... we haven't made any adjustments to make them think otherwise, and if anything Game 3 only confirmed to them that they HAD figured us out and that Game 3 wasn't a fluke.

We need to put the doubt back in them in Game 4. Because if Denver beats us the same way again and ties this series 2-2, we're in trouble.


They may have us figured out....we just need to outexecute them. I would argue the 2009 Nuggets had us figured out in Game 1 and knew they could beat us even before that series started and that series became a 2-2 series after the Nuggets kicked our ass in Game 4. The 2009 Nuggets were a lot closer to us in talent than this year's version. We just need to execute.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 23, 2020 10:44 am    Post subject:

We were tired and lackadaisical, we're fine. They got to impose their will, G4 be our turn rebound/hustle/fast break
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 23, 2020 11:01 am    Post subject:

I wish this series would get 3 days off as the ECF one did. And I don't buy the football excuse because they could have played yesterday. There is no football on Tuesday. The Lakers are an older veteran team that could benefit from more than one day off in this series.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 23, 2020 11:28 am    Post subject:

Seems like all our losses in the bubble can be traced back to how well we shoot our threes. I read we were 0-9 on wide open 3pt attempts. We didn’t play great in other aspects but this stat seems to be the differences between our wins and losses.

We can overcome our shortcomings in other aspects if we’re at least average/below average with our shooting from deep but when we’re terrible then we aren’t beating playoff teams.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 23, 2020 11:30 am    Post subject:

Hey, NBA probably wants the WCF/ECF to end around same time. ECF looks like it'll go all 7. A sweep of the WCF would be inconvenient for the NBA.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 23, 2020 11:31 am    Post subject:

miggz23 wrote:
Inspector Gadget wrote:
Sago wrote:
Nuggets figured out the Lakers

Denver will win the series


You know what’s actually scary is that this isn’t just some anti-jinx attempt, it’s reality that the Nuggets found something that is working and unless Vogel figures it out and tries to come back with a game plan, we could be in trouble.


Well hopefully we figured out something on Denver during that come back and in the 4th...


The things we did in the 4th we can't sustain for an entire game. They were exhausted putting forth that much effort. The Lakers need to find something consistent that they can sustain for 4 quarters, not just in short bursts imo.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 23, 2020 11:46 am    Post subject:

MJST wrote:
miggz23 wrote:
Inspector Gadget wrote:
Sago wrote:
Nuggets figured out the Lakers

Denver will win the series


You know what’s actually scary is that this isn’t just some anti-jinx attempt, it’s reality that the Nuggets found something that is working and unless Vogel figures it out and tries to come back with a game plan, we could be in trouble.


Well hopefully we figured out something on Denver during that come back and in the 4th...


The things we did in the 4th we can't sustain for an entire game. They were exhausted putting forth that much effort. The Lakers need to find something consistent that they can sustain for 4 quarters, not just in short bursts imo.


Right, but can they depend on Jokic, Murray, and MAGA P taking and making those same incredible shots? If they do, then there’s not much we can do about it. I do feel like we found something in the 4th as well. Now can someone make a three other than KCP?
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 23, 2020 11:52 am    Post subject:

MJST wrote:
miggz23 wrote:
Inspector Gadget wrote:
Sago wrote:
Nuggets figured out the Lakers

Denver will win the series


You know what’s actually scary is that this isn’t just some anti-jinx attempt, it’s reality that the Nuggets found something that is working and unless Vogel figures it out and tries to come back with a game plan, we could be in trouble.


Well hopefully we figured out something on Denver during that come back and in the 4th...


The things we did in the 4th we can't sustain for an entire game. They were exhausted putting forth that much effort. The Lakers need to find something consistent that they can sustain for 4 quarters, not just in short bursts imo.


Two problems happened in that 4th quarter:

- Lakers figured out how to stop Denver's offense to close the gap, however they mentally (or physically) broke down and started chucking 3's to tie the game instead of continuing to go to the basket which was what got them back in the game.

- Lakers basically gave Denver a sneak peak of the adjustments they'll be making next game, which is playing zone. Now Denver will be able to better anticipate it, having experienced a "free trial" of the Lakers zone defense in that last quarter.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 23, 2020 11:55 am    Post subject:

yinoma2001 wrote:
Hey, NBA probably wants the WCF/ECF to end around same time. ECF looks like it'll go all 7. A sweep of the WCF would be inconvenient for the NBA.


Who leaked this? We decided this a couple nights ago, when me, George Soros, Q, Hillary Clinton, Bill Gates, and the Ghost of David Stern had drinks at the underground HQ in Roswell. Our security was supposed to be airtight. It was Q, wasn't it? He likes to leak stuff.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 23, 2020 12:03 pm    Post subject:

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yinoma2001 wrote:
Hey, NBA probably wants the WCF/ECF to end around same time. ECF looks like it'll go all 7. A sweep of the WCF would be inconvenient for the NBA.


Who leaked this? We decided this a couple nights ago, when me, George Soros, Q, Hillary Clinton, Bill Gates, and the Ghost of David Stern had drinks at the underground HQ in Roswell. Our security was supposed to be airtight. It was Q, wasn't it? He likes to leak stuff.



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 23, 2020 12:06 pm    Post subject:

As I posted in another thread. Let's be honest. We should be down 2 1. We allowed Denver to overcome a large lead and take the lead. AD's Kobe shot in game 2 was a buzzer-beater but also lucky.

We were never in game 3 until the 4th quarter. We expended all the energy we had closing the gap then ran out of gas.

We gave Denver confidence they can beat us. If we don't win the next 2 it's going to be trouble in Lakersville.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 23, 2020 12:08 pm    Post subject:

We played 7 good quarters and 5 bad quarters. Stop turning the ball over and hit your wide open shots. It’s really that simple.

Everyone relax. We’ll be fine.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 23, 2020 12:20 pm    Post subject:

If Denver wins game 4 I see them winning the series in 6. Lakers have no answer for Joker. Jamal Murray is very confident because he knows they should be up 2-1.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 23, 2020 12:27 pm    Post subject:

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If Denver wins game 4 I see them winning the series in 6. Lakers have no answer for Joker. Jamal Murray is very confident because he knows they should be up 2-1.


even if we had an answer for Jokic he’s still gonna put up his 25-30pt games, you can’t find list of NBA players who know how to play defense against him.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 23, 2020 12:42 pm    Post subject:

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If Denver wins game 4 I see them winning the series in 6. Lakers have no answer for Joker. Jamal Murray is very confident because he knows they should be up 2-1.


even if we had an answer for Jokic he’s still gonna put up his 25-30pt games, you can’t find list of NBA players who know how to play defense against him.


he's like the combination of prime Yao Ming and Sabonis. he has Yao's outside shot, and Sabonis' passing and low post game. too bad our star big likes to pretend he's a shooting guard.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 23, 2020 12:56 pm    Post subject:

There’s no reason to be anything but confident after a game like last night. They couldn’t have played it any worse for most of the game and they still should have won.

The Nuggets turned it over on 6 consecutive possessions. They went 3 minutes between field goal attempts. The Lakers were applying pressure defensively, Rondo was scratching and clawing the ball away and the refs didn’t get in the way at all. And when the Lakers attack the basket it’s almost guaranteed that they will get a layup or free throws. The pace ultimately tired them out but in the future, they know they can turn the game anytime they want so it doesn’t get to a 20 point deficit in the first place.

All 3 of the playoff losses have something in common, uninspired team play and everyone going cold from 3 at the same time. Most of the games they have shot lights out and the other team never had a chance. Even on a cold night, kcp and Kuzma were one 3 away from putting the game away.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 23, 2020 12:58 pm    Post subject:

SGV-Laker fan wrote:
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ksmgf wrote:
If Denver wins game 4 I see them winning the series in 6. Lakers have no answer for Joker. Jamal Murray is very confident because he knows they should be up 2-1.


even if we had an answer for Jokic he’s still gonna put up his 25-30pt games, you can’t find list of NBA players who know how to play defense against him.


he's like the combination of prime Yao Ming and Sabonis. he has Yao's outside shot, and Sabonis' passing and low post game. too bad our star big likes to pretend he's a shooting guard.


You are really saying this after the kind of playoff AD is having?
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 23, 2020 1:01 pm    Post subject:

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ksmgf wrote:
If Denver wins game 4 I see them winning the series in 6. Lakers have no answer for Joker. Jamal Murray is very confident because he knows they should be up 2-1.


even if we had an answer for Jokic he’s still gonna put up his 25-30pt games, you can’t find list of NBA players who know how to play defense against him.


he's like the combination of prime Yao Ming and Sabonis. he has Yao's outside shot, and Sabonis' passing and low post game. too bad our star big likes to pretend he's a shooting guard.


You are really saying this after the kind of playoff AD is having?


i was not discounting AD at all. i was just point to the fact he prefers playing like a guard, which he does very well i may add. however, with his length and size, i'd much prefer he plays from mid-post down, especially in this series when we need him to tire out Jokic.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 23, 2020 1:02 pm    Post subject:

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As I posted in another thread. Let's be honest. We should be down 2 1. We allowed Denver to overcome a large lead and take the lead. AD's Kobe shot in game 2 was a buzzer-beater but also lucky.

We were never in game 3 until the 4th quarter. We expended all the energy we had closing the gap then ran out of gas.

We gave Denver confidence they can beat us. If we don't win the next 2 it's going to be trouble in Lakersville.


If we don't win the next 2 we'll be down 2-3... so yeah I guess the that would mean trouble in any playoff series
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 23, 2020 1:25 pm    Post subject:

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There’s no reason to be anything but confident after a game like last night. They couldn’t have played it any worse for most of the game and they still should have won.

The Nuggets turned it over on 6 consecutive possessions. They went 3 minutes between field goal attempts. The Lakers were applying pressure defensively, Rondo was scratching and clawing the ball away and the refs didn’t get in the way at all. And when the Lakers attack the basket it’s almost guaranteed that they will get a layup or free throws. The pace ultimately tired them out but in the future, they know they can turn the game anytime they want so it doesn’t get to a 20 point deficit in the first place.

All 3 of the playoff losses have something in common, uninspired team play and everyone going cold from 3 at the same time. Most of the games they have shot lights out and the other team never had a chance. Even on a cold night, kcp and Kuzma were one 3 away from putting the game away.

Yep. Limit turnovers and don’t miss all of your 3’s. It’s really that simple.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 23, 2020 1:54 pm    Post subject:

https://twitter.com/lakerssbn/status/1308874180037947392?s=21

If Caruso misses game 4...uh oh.

Lakers need his defense (specifically with AB not around) and high IQ basketball.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 23, 2020 1:58 pm    Post subject:

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https://twitter.com/lakerssbn/status/1308874180037947392?s=21

If Caruso misses game 4...uh oh.

Lakers need his defense (specifically with AB not around) and high IQ basketball.


If he’s listed as probable, they must already know he’s fine. They always exaggerate the injury report.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 23, 2020 1:59 pm    Post subject:

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https://twitter.com/lakerssbn/status/1308874180037947392?s=21

If Caruso misses game 4...uh oh.

Lakers need his defense (specifically with AB not around) and high IQ basketball.


If he’s listed as probable, they must already know he’s fine. They always exaggerate the injury report.


Right, but the words “pre-cautionary MRI” is not good imo.

Hopefully, nothing came of it.
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