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Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2020 10:23 am Post subject:

dfchang813 wrote:

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I’m so bored. I want free agency to start and all hell to break loose. When will madness begin??? 😂

Draft is Nov. 18, so I'd guess FA starts a few days to a week after.

everything will start happening next month and the season is only 2 months away, crazy stuff.. I’m guessing the activity in FA and Trade Market is gonna go wild.

It seems crazy. All these free agents have to report to their new teams and get acclimated to start season in less than a month? Insanity.

I kind of think bringing everyone back may be better as continuity and chemistry may help great deal.

Would love to see our guys repeat again but it’s very doubtful that we will have everyone returning, some players on our team are gonna look to cash in like KCP, perhaps we might bring back Howard because he’s already made millions in his NBA career but I wouldn’t be shocked if the Lakers are forced to look at options because of the Laker players looking for other opportunities.

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Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2020 10:29 am Post subject:

CervantesRises wrote:

dfchang813 wrote:

CervantesRises wrote:

hype wrote:

Lucky_Shot wrote:

CervantesRises wrote:

Lucky_Shot wrote:

venturalakersfan wrote:

CervantesRises wrote:

VLF agrees with this trade...let that sink in for those of you who are supporting it.

I'm fine with CP3 getting bought out...trading for him would be the dumbest move in Laker History.

I agreed with the AD trade, let that sink in. Stars win in the NBA, not players like Kuzma and Bradley. They can be replaced.

There has been a lot of VLF bashing lately, he is one of the Originals here and sometimes he likes to start a fight but it's not LG without him.

CervantesRises there is over 35 pages on this topic and you are on every page. We all know what you think.

And?

I can talk on as many pages as I like. You can ignore me as much as you like. See how that works?

I've been here since '08...I'll keep my own counsel on what I say, who I say it to, and how frequently I say it.

Ya dig?

You keep saying the same thing over and over. It's one thing to state your opinion. It's another to say it ad nauseam.

The chances of him ending her are slim anyway so I guess it doesn't matter. I don't know I'll leave it at that.

It is truth. Any of the 1000's of members on this forum say something opposing on any of the previous 34 pages and there's a hand full of posts by him saying the same exact things in slightly different ways a couple hundred times. Pretty sure not a single member on this forum does not know his exact stance and feelings on this trade at this point.

It's extremely unlikely to happen regardless anyways and if you have new reasoning then jump right back in but no reason to beat a dead horse into a bloody pulp and then go back and beat every single organ of that dead horse repeatedly as well.

Couple things you can do.

1. Flag the comments to a mod.

2. PM me.

3. Try to PC shame me into feeling bad about your feelings....we get it CervantesRises we get it...you're against the trade. But I'm going to ignore the other guys on this thread who have posted repeatedly to single you out because I dont like what you said.

1 is fair. 2 is honorable. 3 is typical.

You have options.

Why you would waste a minute of your life complaining is beyond me...why you would complain about something so insignificant that you could literally ignore it with a swipe of the thumb is beyond me too.

If I'm living rent free in your head please evict me and get on with the business of being happy. We were talking Laker basketball...I'm clearly not going to give you what you want...no need to make this thread now about me. Stay on topic and let people communicate in the manner and frequency they want to.

Ignore what you dont like.

Engage with what you do.

It's not complex y'all.

But how do you really feel about Chris Paul? Do you like him as a player?

I think he's excellent at using his position of authority with the Player's Union to better himself financially. He's the driver for Super Max contracts. Doubt those last the next CBA.

So from that angle I think he's a typical disingenuous human, common in this day and age.

LBJ uses his wealth to make the world a better place. I'm sure CP3 does charitable work but that doesnt appear to be his vibe to me and I could be all they way wrong about that.

As a ball player I think they way I've seen him interact with his teammates runs me the wrong way. Very abrasive like 2008 and 2007 Kobe but without the credentials. There's a reason several former teammates dont like him and Rondo wants to fight him on sight.

Comes across as a good politician but not a good person to me...which doesnt matter because who the (bleep) am I?

Skill wise, I understand his value to teams but not his fit with us. I have no desire to see LeBron as a secondary initiator for us. And I respect his game as a ball dominant player...I just have no faith in his health regardless of how vegan he is.

I think he's a self serving sleaze bag and I was very happy Rondo punched him.

Fair take.

But I thought we didn’t want Lebron playing PG too much? If he can play more off ball during regular season wouldn’t that save him a lot more? Rondo can’t do that. They call him PLAYOFF Rondo for a reason dawg it’s cause he sucks and is injured a helluva lot in RS.

As for personality Rondo has an even bigger rep than Paul. He was on his 5th team in like 5 years. Didn’t he get vet minimum with us? Why? Cause he is the best PG in league? 🤷🏻‍♂️

All I know is Chris Paul has made every team he has been on better and every team has gotten worse when he left. It’s like Jimmy Butler all over again. I think we would be lucky to have him on our team but there likely isn’t quite enough time to get it done and I am concerned we won’t have money to keep Dwight and KCP if we get Paul.

I’m okay with either scenario really but I do think Chris Paul fits very well with AD and Lebron and the idea is the opposite of what you are thinking which is to get Lebron to stop playing PG as much as possible during regular season.

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Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2020 10:35 am Post subject:

dfchang813 wrote:

I’m so bored. I want free agency to start and all hell to break loose. When will madness begin??? 😂

The league Governors met yesterday, maybe the number crunching is done.
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Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2020 1:01 pm Post subject:

Jesusdelonla wrote:

The Lebrons wrote:

Jesusdelonla wrote:

The Lebrons wrote:

dfchang813 wrote:

I’m so bored. I want free agency to start and all hell to break loose. When will madness begin??? 😂

Draft is Nov. 18, so I'd guess FA starts a few days to a week after.

If the season starts Dec 22, they should have free agency early like after Thanksgiving

If it is starting December 22nd, that means you probably need 2 weeks for pre-season, plus training camp, which means FA should be starting...now.

can't start before draft tough or can it?

People have advocated for it, but no, not currently. Just making the point that it is going to be HECTIC if reports are true.

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Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2020 2:19 pm Post subject:

dfchang813 wrote:

I feel ya and I appreciate the genuine question.

Despite me annoying several posters and burner accounts I've been in this thread simply to talk strategy over 2K Fantasies. Meant no harm. I'm just not very good at being PC.

It's totally fair for folks to want the trade. I'd just rather it be MLE acquisition rather than trade. I dont think he's give us more than what we have but he'll cost us key piece either in the trade or because we cant resign a couple key contributors.

That seems like a bad move to me with a quick turn around on a new season.

Dont listen to me. I'm opinionated, but super harmless. It just a game.

Have a great weekend.
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Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2020 3:43 pm Post subject:

Something to keep in mind about trading for Paul, with the salary gap in trade it would not only cost you the players you send out, but you certainly wouldn’t have space to use the full MLE or BAE and stay under the apron. Based on the version of a trade most frequently talked about, that would mean the cost is Green, Kuzma, Bradley, McGee, #28, Full MLE, and the BAE.

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Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2020 4:14 pm Post subject:

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Something to keep in mind about trading for Paul, with the salary gap in trade it would not only cost you the players you send out, but you certainly wouldn’t have space to use the full MLE or BAE and stay under the apron.

Based on the version of a trade most frequently talked about, that would mean the cost is Green, Kuzma, Bradley, McGee, #28, Full MLE, and the BAE.

That's a great point.
Does anyone know for sure if the Deng contract being waived would get us the full MLE and BAE even if we did that CP trade?
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Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2020 4:32 pm Post subject:

Robster8989 wrote:

Laker's Fan wrote:

That's a great point.
Does anyone know for sure if the Deng contract being waived would get us the full MLE and BAE even if we did that CP trade?

So essentially it's:

Chris Paul and the mini MLE for:
Green/Bradley/McGee/Cook/Kuz/#28/MLE/BAE

Unless the Deng contract gets waived and that impacts the MLE/mini MLE situation.

That is significant.
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Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2020 4:32 pm Post subject:

venturalakersfan wrote:

ChickenStu wrote:

pjiddy wrote:

Megaton wrote:

32 wrote:

I don't care if they trade for Chris Paul but I don't think it's in their plans. I think they are going to put their efforts into pairing AD with a young star or potential young star for the future.

Most likely outcome. All signs point to going with the 2021 FA as Plan A and 2022 as plan B.

You can't throw away a year of Lebron. Especially when you don't know how many you have left.

I really think we are going to pivot to 2022 free agency. The loss of revenue which will keep the cap numbers low this year and next have to have killed the thought of the 2021 max free agent (Giannis) plan. And it's not like there are several great players other than Giannis who will be available. Whereas in 2022, there are several, and the cap should go up by then. And with Davis likely taking a 2+1, and with LeBron hitting free agency again at that time, it just all lines up so much better. Go all-in on trying to win in the next 2 seasons (within reason, of course), and then reassess after the '21-22 season with free agents.

I don’t understand the idea that we will be able to sign a FA in 2022. Lebron and AD’s salaries will go up and if we are lucky the cap will remain flat. We would be looking at about $75-78 mil of a (hopefully) $109 mil cap.

That assumes that they are both back after that. If they are, it likely means good things for us, and if we don't have full cap space for a max free agent, so be it. But the point is that it lines you up, gives you flexibility. What if one of them, or even both of them, aren't back? Then you practically clear your books and would have room to pair two star free agents together. It just gives you more options. Given that next year's class is so weak after Giannis, relatively speaking, I don't see the point of saving cap space come hell or high water for next year.

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Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2020 5:55 pm Post subject:

Robster8989 wrote:

Laker's Fan wrote:

That's a great point.
Does anyone know for sure if the Deng contract being waived would get us the full MLE and BAE even if we did that CP trade?

If you get Chris Paul then 100 percent Rondo and Morris are gone. Maybe use the BAE to keep Dwight. KCP is the tricky one. We have his bird rights and can go over the cap to sign him BUt we can’t go over the hard cap. I think he is in line for a 12-15 million dollar deal over multiple years and we can’t do that with Chris Paul trade. Hell I don’t think we can do that even if we don’t do CP3 trade. So we may lose him. Rest of roster will have to be filled with vet minimum contracts I think.

But maybe we can use salary we would be paying him to get a Harkless. Won’t be has good as him but you have to give up something. And CP3 should be huge upgrade at our PG spot.

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Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2020 9:41 am Post subject:

The championship is a double edged sword. One end is players are like... That was awesome. let's run it back! The other end is... Thanks for the ring. Now, that that's off the list... I gotta get paid now!

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Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2020 9:53 am Post subject:

If we get CP3, I expect the owners and people like Popovich to whine about the Lakers always getting help, regardless we have a new commissioner and I highly doubt there would be another veto because of the coaches and owners whining.

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Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2020 10:05 am Post subject:

Robster8989 wrote:

Laker's Fan wrote:

That's a great point.
Does anyone know for sure if the Deng contract being waived would get us the full MLE and BAE even if we did that CP trade?

CP3 and mini MLE for:

Green
AB assuming he opts in
JM assuming he opts in
Cook
Kuz
28
Full MLE
Full BAE

Which means Rondo and Morris are definitely gone unless they take the vet min, no one opts out for a pay cut. Morris sure wont do that either.

Might be able to keep Dwight but KCP now becomes a very difficult negotiation where we have to pay less but add on 1 to 2 additional years.

Lot of new players to integrate in a short period of time. Doubt most teams make major moves this offseason. Very risky move financially and team chemistry wise.
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Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2020 10:09 am Post subject:

CervantesRises wrote:

Robster8989 wrote:

Laker's Fan wrote:

That's a great point.
Does anyone know for sure if the Deng contract being waived would get us the full MLE and BAE even if we did that CP trade?

By way if NBA wants to start 12/22 as is being rumored and the draft is 11/18 we would have to wait 30 days from our pick signing contract to trade him anyway unless they waive this part of the requirement. Meaning all these players wouldn’t even be able to start the season?

So I think this deal is probably dead from logistics point of view unless certain conditions of the CBS relating to free agency are changed.

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Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2020 10:58 am Post subject:

Good point about the 30 day rule for trading signed picks. I’m guessing they would prorate that give the short turnaround. But something that would need to be looked at.

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Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2020 11:49 am Post subject:

CervantesRises wrote:

Robster8989 wrote:

Laker's Fan wrote:

That's a great point.
Does anyone know for sure if the Deng contract being waived would get us the full MLE and BAE even if we did that CP trade?

FWIW, we don't know the new cap/lux tax numbers, so even with the kept same roster, full MLE AND full BAE may enter the team into luxury tax territory.

It's possible to skip both just to stay under the luxury tax.
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Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2020 6:47 pm Post subject:

Mike@LG wrote:

CervantesRises wrote:

Robster8989 wrote:

Laker's Fan wrote:

That's a great point.
Does anyone know for sure if the Deng contract being waived would get us the full MLE and BAE even if we did that CP trade?

I don't see us too much worried about the tax seeing we haven't paid it in what? 6 or 7 years?

Now I could see the Lakers not using the Full MLE and BAE if it doesnt leave us with any flexibility under the hard cap apron.
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Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2020 6:54 pm Post subject:

Mike@LG wrote:

CervantesRises wrote:

Robster8989 wrote:

Laker's Fan wrote:

That's a great point.
Does anyone know for sure if the Deng contract being waived would get us the full MLE and BAE even if we did that CP trade?

Agree that we'll be in the lux tax.

Is it true that players we have bird rights to and resign...that those contracts are exempt from lux tax penalties?

So KCP and Rondo could get raises and not be lux taxed even if we are over the soft cap?
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Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2020 7:50 pm Post subject:

Let him and Rondo fight to the death for the spot

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Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2020 9:39 pm Post subject:

Noel/Dwight/Boogie AD/Kuz/Dudley LeBron/Harkless/Korver KCP/Waiters/THT CP3/Caruso/2nd round draft pick Top heavy with LeBron/AD/CP3 combined with strong depth 4-13 (KCP, Kuz, Dwight, Caruso, Harkless, Noel, Waiters, THT, Boogie, Korver) _________________ "He's a Zen master, so he can speak to you, and he doesn't need a microphone; you can hear him in your head, 'Ron, don't shoot, don't shoot.' Whatever, pow, three. I love the Zen, though."

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Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2020 10:10 pm Post subject:

CervantesRises wrote:

Mike@LG wrote:

CervantesRises wrote:

Robster8989 wrote:

Laker's Fan wrote:

That's a great point.
Does anyone know for sure if the Deng contract being waived would get us the full MLE and BAE even if we did that CP trade?

Where did you hear that?

So essentially it's:

Chris Paul and the mini MLE for:
Green/Bradley/McGee/Cook/Kuz/#28/MLE/BAE

Unless the Deng contract gets waived and that impacts the MLE/mini MLE situation.

That is significant.

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Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2020 10:55 pm Post subject:

dcarter4kobe wrote:

Noel/Dwight/Boogie
AD/Kuz/Dudley
LeBron/Harkless/Korver
KCP/Waiters/THT
CP3/Caruso/2nd round draft pick

Top heavy with LeBron/AD/CP3 combined with strong depth 4-13 (KCP, Kuz, Dwight, Caruso, Harkless, Noel, Waiters, THT, Boogie, Korver)

Kind of a dream lineup but what's the trade? Green, Cook, McGee, Bradley, 28th?

Add Wes Matthews with minimum instead of Korver and I like it that team repeating a lot. If Boogie can be the GS version and sort of be a 6th man while Dwight starts, unstoppable.

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Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2020 11:32 pm Post subject:

2019 wrote:

dcarter4kobe wrote:

In this scenario, we should trade Kuz for ideally a backup shooting guard. Kuz woouldn't get any minutes with that roster, and since his contract expires after next season, we'd lose him for nothing since there's probably no reason to pay him afterward.
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Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 8:02 am Post subject:

CervantesRises wrote:

Mike@LG wrote:

CervantesRises wrote:

Robster8989 wrote:

Laker's Fan wrote:

That's a great point.
Does anyone know for sure if the Deng contract being waived would get us the full MLE and BAE even if we did that CP trade?

No that is not true.
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Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 8:03 am Post subject:

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I don't see us too much worried about the tax seeing we haven't paid it in what? 6 or 7 years?

It's active avoidance. I'm not so sure they make an exception just because they won the championship.
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