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dcarter4kobe Franchise Player
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Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2020 9:09 am Post subject: |
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Jesusdelonla wrote: | angrypuppy wrote: | Do to the lag time between the buyout and this application, it sounds like approval will be a stretch. But it is certainly worth pursuing. |
Why is it a stretch? Magic just got approval last year |
Mozgov had recently had surgery on his knee. Did Deng have any type of documented injuries? _________________ "He's a Zen master, so he can speak to you, and he doesn't need a microphone; you can hear him in your head, 'Ron, don't shoot, don't shoot.' Whatever, pow, three. I love the Zen, though." |
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This could help the Lakers pay to keep KCP and Rondo and allow them to use their larger mid-level exception. _________________ Nobody in the NBA can touch the Laker brand, which, like the uniform color, is pure gold. |
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vasashi17+ Star Player
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Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2020 9:11 am Post subject: |
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If we applied for this earlier (ie during last season), then we could not apply also further the DPE using Boogie’s injury. So then no Mook for the stretch title run.
EDIT: Per Coon’s faq:
“A team cannot apply for this salary exclusion if they have applied for a Disabled Player exception (see question number 25) that season, whether the exception was granted or not.”
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ocho Retired Number
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Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2020 9:12 am Post subject: |
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ocho wrote: | ocho wrote: | Re: Mozgov
He had already gone to Russia to play when Orlando filed their request. There is precedent for this, even with a player who is still actively playing. |
I suspect the issue will be that the injury did not occur while Deng was a Laker. It’s his salary that’s still a Laker. How the league interprets this will likely be how they decide on it. |
Correction: Mozgov didn’t play a game for Orlando. He was waived in July and the league approved the removal of his deal in November. _________________ 14-5-3-12 |
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SPO200 Star Player
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Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2020 9:12 am Post subject: |
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I checked that the Magic only waited 1 month for the resolution of Mozgov's contract. So it's very likely that we could see the resolution before that start of the FA. |
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ocho Retired Number
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Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2020 9:13 am Post subject: |
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dcarter4kobe wrote: | Jesusdelonla wrote: | angrypuppy wrote: | Do to the lag time between the buyout and this application, it sounds like approval will be a stretch. But it is certainly worth pursuing. |
Why is it a stretch? Magic just got approval last year |
Mozgov had recently had surgery on his knee. Did Deng have any type of documented injuries? |
Quote: | On Jan. 12, Deng played four minutes in a close win over New Orleans. Then, he played 15 minutes the next night in a blowout. After one DNP-CD, Deng played in the next 16 games in a row before coming down with a foot injury that held hm out for the remainder of the season. |
_________________ 14-5-3-12 |
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Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2020 9:15 am Post subject: |
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dcarter4kobe wrote: | Jesusdelonla wrote: | angrypuppy wrote: | Do to the lag time between the buyout and this application, it sounds like approval will be a stretch. But it is certainly worth pursuing. |
Why is it a stretch? Magic just got approval last year |
Mozgov had recently had surgery on his knee. Did Deng have any type of documented injuries? |
Quote: | April 8, 2019 06:12 PM
Deng (Achilles) won't play Tuesday against Toronto.
Deng still hasn't played since Feb. 27, so his absence is expected at this point. He seems unlikely to return for the last regular-season contest Wednesday in Denver. |
https://www.cbssports.com/nba/players/playerpage/498277/luol-deng _________________ Nobody in the NBA can touch the Laker brand, which, like the uniform color, is pure gold. |
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dcarter4kobe Franchise Player
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Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2020 9:19 am Post subject: |
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ocho wrote: | dcarter4kobe wrote: | Jesusdelonla wrote: | angrypuppy wrote: | Do to the lag time between the buyout and this application, it sounds like approval will be a stretch. But it is certainly worth pursuing. |
Why is it a stretch? Magic just got approval last year |
Mozgov had recently had surgery on his knee. Did Deng have any type of documented injuries? |
Quote: | On Jan. 12, Deng played four minutes in a close win over New Orleans. Then, he played 15 minutes the next night in a blowout. After one DNP-CD, Deng played in the next 16 games in a row before coming down with a foot injury that held hm out for the remainder of the season. |
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Welp this should be a WIN. A big win at that. Good job front office.
Allows us to use full MLE. Resign KCP/Rondo for a combined 15M and still have 9-10M flexibility under the hard cap apron to bring back AB/McGee or shop them with our 1st. _________________ "He's a Zen master, so he can speak to you, and he doesn't need a microphone; you can hear him in your head, 'Ron, don't shoot, don't shoot.' Whatever, pow, three. I love the Zen, though." |
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Travis Bickle Star Player
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Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2020 9:21 am Post subject: |
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I have a feeling because this is the Lakers filing the application, the NBA will NOT do the Lakers any favors. |
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angrypuppy Retired Number
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Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2020 9:23 am Post subject: |
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Jesusdelonla wrote: | angrypuppy wrote: | Do to the lag time between the buyout and this application, it sounds like approval will be a stretch. But it is certainly worth pursuing. |
Why is it a stretch? Magic just got approval last year |
It's a major stretch. If Deng had retired immediately, maybe, but he didn't, he played for another NBA team afterward. Deng's presence isn't as a player on the roster, it's an artifact for cap purposes. |
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Harlemlakerfan Star Player
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Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2020 9:28 am Post subject: |
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Rob is playing chess. |
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ocho Retired Number
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Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2020 9:28 am Post subject: |
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angrypuppy wrote: | Jesusdelonla wrote: | angrypuppy wrote: | Do to the lag time between the buyout and this application, it sounds like approval will be a stretch. But it is certainly worth pursuing. |
Why is it a stretch? Magic just got approval last year |
It's a major stretch. If Deng had retired immediately, maybe, but he didn't, he played for another NBA team afterward. Deng's presence isn't as a player on the roster, it's an artifact for cap purposes. |
Mozgov didn’t retire either, nor was he a member of the Magic when the request was made (he never even played a game for them). He was already suiting up in Russia at the time Orlando applied. _________________ 14-5-3-12 |
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Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2020 9:31 am Post subject: |
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Harlemlakerfan wrote: | Rob is playing chess. |
If he ends up winning the battle against the NBA, it would be a travesty if he doesn’t finally getting voted in as the Executive of the year, should have won it this year but they gave it to the Clippers GM |
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angrypuppy Retired Number
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Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2020 9:35 am Post subject: |
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ocho wrote: | angrypuppy wrote: | Jesusdelonla wrote: | angrypuppy wrote: | Do to the lag time between the buyout and this application, it sounds like approval will be a stretch. But it is certainly worth pursuing. |
Why is it a stretch? Magic just got approval last year |
It's a major stretch. If Deng had retired immediately, maybe, but he didn't, he played for another NBA team afterward. Deng's presence isn't as a player on the roster, it's an artifact for cap purposes. |
Mozgov didn’t retire either, nor was he a member of the Magic when the request was made (he never even played a game for them). He was already suiting up in Russia at the time Orlando applied. |
Mozgov was likely treated as cap relief waiting to happen right before the trade. His knee was toast, making him incapable of resuming an NBA career. His stint overseas wasn't with a competitive Euro team (edit: sure, good in Russia, but it is one of those clubs for retired NBA players). |
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Jesusdelonla Franchise Player
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Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2020 9:41 am Post subject: |
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angrypuppy wrote: | ocho wrote: | angrypuppy wrote: | Jesusdelonla wrote: | angrypuppy wrote: | Do to the lag time between the buyout and this application, it sounds like approval will be a stretch. But it is certainly worth pursuing. |
Why is it a stretch? Magic just got approval last year |
It's a major stretch. If Deng had retired immediately, maybe, but he didn't, he played for another NBA team afterward. Deng's presence isn't as a player on the roster, it's an artifact for cap purposes. |
Mozgov didn’t retire either, nor was he a member of the Magic when the request was made (he never even played a game for them). He was already suiting up in Russia at the time Orlando applied. |
Mozgov was likely treated as cap relief waiting to happen right before the trade. His knee was toast, making him incapable of resuming an NBA career. His stint overseas wasn't with a competitive Euro team (edit: sure, good in Russia, but not at the highest level). |
so the russian team signed him up to be a cheerleader? |
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ocho Retired Number
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Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2020 9:42 am Post subject: |
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Mozgov was signed with the Russia club but never played, a distinction that likely will cost us here. I don’t think the NBA will approve our request, but there is some precedent here. Worth a shot. _________________ 14-5-3-12 |
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LakerMindLA Star Player
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Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2020 9:44 am Post subject: |
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I wish this wasn’t shared by Shams. I could see other owners trying to influence the outcome. |
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angrypuppy Retired Number
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Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2020 9:44 am Post subject: |
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Jesusdelonla wrote: | angrypuppy wrote: | ocho wrote: | angrypuppy wrote: | Jesusdelonla wrote: | angrypuppy wrote: | Do to the lag time between the buyout and this application, it sounds like approval will be a stretch. But it is certainly worth pursuing. |
Why is it a stretch? Magic just got approval last year |
It's a major stretch. If Deng had retired immediately, maybe, but he didn't, he played for another NBA team afterward. Deng's presence isn't as a player on the roster, it's an artifact for cap purposes. |
Mozgov didn’t retire either, nor was he a member of the Magic when the request was made (he never even played a game for them). He was already suiting up in Russia at the time Orlando applied. |
Mozgov was likely treated as cap relief waiting to happen right before the trade. His knee was toast, making him incapable of resuming an NBA career. His stint overseas wasn't with a competitive Euro team (edit: sure, good in Russia, but not at the highest level). |
so the russian team signed him up to be a cheerleader? |
Pretty much. Sitting Amerikanski sells tickets, comrade. |
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ocho Retired Number
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Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2020 9:45 am Post subject: |
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Megaton wrote: | For those that question about the validity because of him playing for another team, he only played 22 games for the Wolves. He would have needed to play 25.
https://mobile.twitter.com/EricPincus/status/1318597324298285056
The precedent is there. Only question is the medical evaluation, which again, with Mozgov being accepted while still playing for Russia. |
Problem is he didn’t play for Russia. He’s still hurt and they’re unlikely going to bring him back. If you’re looking for the difference between the two situations that’s it. Mozgov got hurt, got traded, waived, and hadn’t played since. Deng got waived, then played for another team, then got hurt and hasn’t played since. To what degree the NBA weighs those distinctions is TBD. _________________ 14-5-3-12 |
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vasashi17+ Star Player
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Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2020 9:46 am Post subject: |
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Also recall that he played 1 game for us in his final season here (2017/18) before he was stretched. At the time we all probably thought he was shelved to prevent injury in order to shop him in a salary dump line we did with Moz to help pave for Bron’s incoming max salary.
But it’s also likely he was shelved since our team doctors advised that Deng could be at risk for a debilitating injury. I mean the next time he sees time on a court, he’s only capable of playing 22 games that season for the Wolves before his career is wrap.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.latimes.com/sports/lakers/la-sp-lakers-deng-plaschke-20180210-story.html%3F_amp%3Dtrue |
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Inspector Gadget Retired Number
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Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2020 9:47 am Post subject: |
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LakerMindLA wrote: | I wish this wasn’t shared by Shams. I could see other owners trying to influence the outcome. |
The owners aren’t gonna do squat, this was filed by the Lakers to the league to see if they can get out of Deng’s remaining salary, this is gonna be a battle between the Lakers FO and the NBA league office. |
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governator Franchise Player
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Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2020 9:48 am Post subject: |
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Where's LarryCoon? this legit? |
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leor_77 Franchise Player
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Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2020 9:51 am Post subject: |
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I didn't even know you could do that. |
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AFireInside619 Franchise Player
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Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2020 9:52 am Post subject: |
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Inspector Gadget wrote: | LakerMindLA wrote: | I wish this wasn’t shared by Shams. I could see other owners trying to influence the outcome. |
The owners aren’t gonna do squat, this was filed by the Lakers to the league to see if they can get out of Deng’s remaining salary, this is gonna be a battle between the Lakers FO and the NBA league office. |
This has been rumored for a while (Last off season?). There are hardly any secrets in the league, especially when it concerns the Lakers. Yes, all the owners will try to block it, but I’m not sure how much it’ll affect the outcome either way. _________________ “You have to dance beautifully in the box that you are comfortable dancing in.” - Kobe Bryant |
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