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Car54
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| CervantesRises wrote: | | PlantedTanks wrote: | There are a number of elite small PG's and I like Schroeder matching up defensively than Wes.
Has it been mentioned that Wes was going to start or is that just LGer's preferred choice. Always assumed he would come off the bench due to age and not wearing him down as he matches up against the elite wings.
I cannot see KCP coming off the bench either. |
KCP is the starting SG without a doubt.
From Bron's lips...
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Trez first off the bench for Gasol
Sounds like it's already worked out. |
That might be the fastest back court in the league
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| Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2020 8:04 pm Post subject: |
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If this is the price we have to pay to have Dennis Schroeder then we pay it. Gladly. With a silly grin on all of our faces  |
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| Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2020 8:50 pm Post subject: |
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| PlantedTanks wrote: | There are a number of elite small PG's and I like Schroeder matching up defensively than Wes.
Has it been mentioned that Wes was going to start or is that just LGer's preferred choice. Always assumed he would come off the bench due to age and not wearing him down as he matches up against the elite wings.
I cannot see KCP coming off the bench either. |
| Quote: | David Aldridge @davidaldridgedc
For Wes Matthews, being able to step directly into a starting role with the Lakers created by the Danny Green trade to OKC was too good to pass up, per source. One instance where the compressed end of season/draft/FA period/start of next season probably didn’t help Milwaukee. |
https://twitter.com/davidaldridgedc/status/1329931919304351748
I think starting KCP and Wes makes more sense. But hey, if Vogel and LBJ want to start Schroder. I trust them.
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| Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2020 9:01 pm Post subject: |
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So Mathews kcp and schroder are all starting
Excellent
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| Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2020 9:07 pm Post subject: |
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guys who cares
AD + LBJ + Gasol are the starters.
matthews/caruso/schroeder/KCP. they are all gonna get minutes. KCP and Caruso started the year off the bench and by the time the finals rolled around they were starting.
Matthews/Schroeder replaced Green/Bradley for the regular season.
KCP and Caruso are going to be doing the same old thing.
Starters- AD/LBJ/Gasol/Matthews/Schroeder
Bench- Trez/Kuz/Morris/Caruso/KCP
Minimal minutes - THT, McKinnie, Dudley. |
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SocalDevin
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| Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2020 9:16 pm Post subject: |
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| If Schroeder starts I'd prefer Matthews start as well to help with 2's and 3's that are too strong and big for KCP.. |
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| Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2020 9:21 pm Post subject: |
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| His game will dictate whether he starts or not, it's as simple as that. Nothing wrong with having lofty goals. |
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SocalDevin
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| Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2020 9:24 pm Post subject: |
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| easybreeze wrote: | | His game will dictate whether he starts or not, it's as simple as that. Nothing wrong with having lofty goals. |
I don't know that it's lofty considering we don't have a starting caliber PG on the squad.. outside of Bron who runs point but isn't a point. |
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| Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2020 9:35 pm Post subject: |
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I would prefer to go with a veteran starting unit and bring speed/athleticism off the bench.
However, Schroeder starting or not starting should be left entirely up to the coach. |
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| Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2020 9:38 pm Post subject: |
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| SocalDevin wrote: | | If Schroeder starts I'd prefer Matthews start as well to help with 2's and 3's that are too strong and big for KCP.. |
Agreed. I was thinking there would be pressure to have the Klutch guys all start alongside Bron, but Bron has already mentioned Trez "helping our bench" so I'm thinking it won't be a problem to have Wes start in front of KCP as well.
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| Vogel knows what's best for the team. If that's Schroeder on the bench then tough. Can't have a me first attitude on a championship team. LeBron or Vogel should straighten out Schroeder day one. What made last yr work was no one complained. Guys were team first and cheering when they didn't play. If he doesn't get it no point in keeping him beyond next yr. |
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| Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2020 1:47 am Post subject: |
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Starters :
Dennis Shroeder
Wesley Matthews
LeBron James
Anthony Davis
Marc Gasol
Bench:
Alex Caruso
THT
KCP
Kyle Kuzma / MarKieff Morris
Montrezl Harrell
Makes sense.
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| Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2020 3:38 am Post subject: |
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| MJST wrote: | Starters :
Dennis Shroeder
Wesley Matthews
LeBron James
Anthony Davis
Marc Gasol
Bench:
Alex Caruso
THT
KCP
Kyle Kuzma / MarKieff Morris
Montrezl Harrell
Makes sense. |
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| Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2020 3:49 am Post subject: |
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| socalsp3 wrote: | | Vogel knows what's best for the team. If that's Schroeder on the bench then tough. Can't have a me first attitude on a championship team. LeBron or Vogel should straighten out Schroeder day one. What made last yr work was no one complained. Guys were team first and cheering when they didn't play. If he doesn't get it no point in keeping him beyond next yr. |
True, people are nervous for nothin. If we have the sand to require that AD play C some of the time (before he's locked in), we can tell Dennis to come off the bench because it's needed to make us the best form of ourselves. They can rationalize it that way, I'm positive.
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| Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2020 6:16 am Post subject: |
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| defense wrote: | So Mathews kcp and schroder are all starting
Excellent
Big egos assemble
Chemistry beware |
that means LeBron playing the 5 or coming off the bench lol |
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| Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2020 6:37 am Post subject: |
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| governator wrote: | | defense wrote: | So Mathews kcp and schroder are all starting
Excellent
Big egos assemble
Chemistry beware |
that means LeBron playing the 5 or coming off the bench lol |
Coming off the bench would certainly be a creative way for James to load manage. Lol
Going to be interesting to see how the egos and chemistry evolve this year. Seems this is the first sign of any issues.
We have to keep reminding ourselves that this is a new team with different dynamics, personalities and pros and cons. Team has to re-establish their roles and identity as a team in a lot of ways. IMO defensively is the biggest unknown. They should be good, but good doesn’t win a Championship.
I love this part of the season. Every player, every team has to prove themselves all over again as they sort it out on the court.
Let’s go Lakers! |
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Lakers can add a lot to their offense with Schroder starting, I see the positives. My issue is that championship teams need role players who are going to do whatever it takes to win. Not look for their own numbers and stats and minutes. Already I get that feeling with Schroder with his comments and had some concerns about this.
It is not about whether Schro is better than Wesley or KCP. Avery Bradley started last year and KCP came off the bench. Caruso was not in our plans as a regular rotation guy. By NBA Finals time, Caruso started and KCP was our playoff starter all year round. Vogel will figure things out.
We just need Dennis to not have a mentality of me first. If he has to come off the bench he needs to take that in stride. If he has to be a leader of the 2nd unit, again take that with pride. If he is the guy that starts but then does not close as he is not the best wing defender or guard defensive match up, again he needs to embrace that stuff as he is not the star of the team, he is a role player. At most he will average 12-14 points a game on this squad, is my guess. There is a lot of talent. I hope he understands this, and it would be great if that were his approach in the end. |
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| This is a good problem to have; the coaches will figure it all out. |
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| Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2020 7:05 am Post subject: |
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Schroeder will get his mpg. It is not like the Lakers will be doing hockey line changes. The expected staggering will allow him to be a spot up role player with James. And the leader of the second unit. A role I think he thrives in if he embraces it.
As a starter, trying to balance the control of the team with James seems like a rough adjustment for both of them.
I love the passion to want to be the starter. Just prefer he kept it to himself and earned the privilege on the court. |
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| Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2020 7:17 am Post subject: |
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| MJST wrote: | Starters :
Dennis Shroeder
Wesley Matthews
LeBron James
Anthony Davis
Marc Gasol
Bench:
Alex Caruso
THT
KCP
Kyle Kuzma / MarKieff Morris
Montrezl Harrell
Makes sense. |
This is what I see too.
KCP in the Bubble guarded the opposing team's PG; Green took the bigger wing guard. We all know KCP with his slight frame struggles against bigger wing guards but Wes does not.
If Dennis starts, then we're trying to replace Green's spot so that should be Wes. I would stagger Dennis/LBJ's minutes. It would also let LBJ take it a bit easy too with the starters.
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| Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2020 7:26 am Post subject: |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | MJST wrote: | Starters :
Dennis Shroeder
Wesley Matthews
LeBron James
Anthony Davis
Marc Gasol
Bench:
Alex Caruso
THT
KCP
Kyle Kuzma / MarKieff Morris
Montrezl Harrell
Makes sense. |
This is what I see too.
KCP in the Bubble guarded the opposing team's PG; Green took the bigger wing guard. We all know KCP with his slight frame struggles against bigger wing guards but Wes does not.
If Dennis starts, then we're trying to replace Green's spot so that should be Wes. I would stagger Dennis/LBJ's minutes. It would also let LBJ take it a bit easy too with the starters. |
I'm going to go against the grain here...I think KCP starts...$13 million a year...just like Schroder he may have said "I did the off the bench thing...I'm a starter." Where as with Wes...BAE player...good guy that accepts whatever role....Just my opinion...we'll see. |
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But we've seen KCP get destroyed by bigger guards. DRoz for example kills him. He's better suited guarding PGs right now to be honest.
We are replacing Danny Green's slot. And Wes fits better with that.
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Wow. Not what I was expecting to hear.
But interested to see how it plays out.
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Also, Dennis is a very capable defender. Even if he was just an average defender, we'd have 4 above average to very above average defenders in the starting lineup in Matthews, LeBron, Davis and Gasol.
So you have a solid situation there, and Dennis and Gasol can kill people on the pick and pops, and Gasol's hockey assists to Davis would be a thing of beauty when the defense has to switch on Gasol because of his jumper.
Then the bench unit, you have Caruso and KCP whom worked well together, you have THT whom has a defensive upside and definite slashing ability, then you have Kuzma, then you have reigning 6th man of the year Montrezl Harrell who is also solid.
So in terms of distribution we could literally run 10 deep if we wanted to. to be honest if they're planning on getting LeBron more rest at the start of the season that may be something we wind up doing.
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| Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2020 9:46 am Post subject: |
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My guess is he wants to start because this is a contract year. Get starter $.
He’s doing just fine, but I could see where he wants to be viewed as a starter in FA, even if he plays starter minutes. |
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