His offense is so crucial to this team that I think Vogel should design a defensive strategy to hide his weakness
That’s easy. Stop letting him guard bigger guys
Then who's guarding the bigger guys?
AD or gasol
You can't put both Harrell and Gasol together on the floor too much now because we don't have other option at the center spot.
Clippers- backup big Zu, Trezz might struggle, but Vogel can match up Trezz with ibaka, Trezz might guard him better
Nuggets- Trezz can handle their bigs other than Jokic
Jazz- favors, should be fine for Trezz to guard
Nets- Vogel just needs to find a way to avoid matching up Trezz with DJ, any of their 4s can’t guard Trezz at all
So, Trezz will be fine in the playoffs, and his offense is badly needed
His offense is so crucial to this team that I think Vogel should design a defensive strategy to hide his weakness
That’s easy. Stop letting him guard bigger guys
Then who's guarding the bigger guys?
AD or gasol
You can't put both Harrell and Gasol together on the floor too much now because we don't have other option at the center spot.
Clippers- backup big Zu, Trezz might struggle, but Vogel can match up Trezz with ibaka, Trezz might guard him better
Nuggets- Trezz can handle their bigs other than Jokic
Jazz- favors, should be fine for Trezz to guard
Nets- Vogel just needs to find a way to avoid matching up Trezz with DJ, any of their 4s can’t guard Trezz at all
So, Trezz will be fine in the playoffs, and his offense is badly needed
I expect Trezz's minutes to go up come playoffs, barring any big trades or buyouts happening
His offense is so crucial to this team that I think Vogel should design a defensive strategy to hide his weakness
That’s easy. Stop letting him guard bigger guys
Then who's guarding the bigger guys?
AD or gasol
You can't put both Harrell and Gasol together on the floor too much now because we don't have other option at the center spot.
Clippers- backup big Zu, Trezz might struggle, but Vogel can match up Trezz with ibaka, Trezz might guard him better
Nuggets- Trezz can handle their bigs other than Jokic
Jazz- favors, should be fine for Trezz to guard
Nets- Vogel just needs to find a way to avoid matching up Trezz with DJ, any of their 4s can’t guard Trezz at all
So, Trezz will be fine in the playoffs, and his offense is badly needed
I expect Trezz's minutes to go up come playoffs, barring any big trades or buyouts happening
Completely agree. Trezz weakness can be hidden as you described. He seems to be contributing at least 13 to 15 points on a nightly basis even when the Lakers had that 4 game losing streak. He is consistent and the that’s at 60 percent fg percentage. Doesn’t seem to be a lot of NBA guys off the bench that can do this. I think I only remember a small number of games where he didn’t contribute. The Lakers definitely need to find a way to keep him on the court.
Any idea why Trez didn't play in the second half...I know he wasn't needed...but still could have gotten 5-6 minute run.
You could tell Vogel was talking to Trez in the third quarter when he was about to sub in at his regular time slot. I think Vogel told him that they want to test out Damian Jones to see how they would mesh together. I think Harrell understood and let that play out
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KBandKB wrote:
King Randle wrote:
Any idea why Trez didn't play in the second half...I know he wasn't needed...but still could have gotten 5-6 minute run.
You could tell Vogel was talking to Trez in the third quarter when he was about to sub in at his regular time slot. I think Vogel told him that they want to test out Damian Jones to see how they would mesh together. I think Harrell understood and let that play out
Yeah, considering it was a blowout especially it was a perfect time to see what Jones had and give him as much burn as possible in garbage time minutes to get his feet wet.
The situation with Montrez playing out of position and Vogel not using him correctly is 100% on Rob Pelinka.
Montrez Harrell is NOT a natural center.
He played power forward in college and was recruited by the Rockets into the NBA as a 4. Houston wanted to experiment with their failed "small ball" theories and converted Harrell into a center. Clippers picked up Harrell from Houston and used him at the 5 spot due to his length and propensity to score on slower centers. That said, whenever he is confronted by a true center, he gets outplayed.
Because Rob rightfully wanted to steal Harrell from the Clippers, he brought in Harrell at the expense of the centers we had. It was a gamble; but this put Vogel in the hotseat because Vogel is a defensive coach, and his defensive combo of Dwight/McGee, the one that won us the Ring last season, was dissolved. Rob played a chess match and Vogel lost.
So Harrell was stuck on this Lakers team as a center, but he has already gone on record as stating that he likes to play facing the basket, ala AD on the elbow, as opposed to down low. In other words, Harrell wants to go back to playing the power forward.
But again, because Rob completely f'd up our center package, we only have an aged Gasol at center, and then the undersized Harrell. Harrell is stuck backing up Gasol and essentially playing the most minutes at the 5, and finishing games there with Kieff sometimes helping or AD moving over.
Fast forward up to now when we have Damian Jones; Rob must have finally heard the pleas of Vogel to get him a real center. But Rob is still playing the chess match; waiting for the buyout game to kick off so he a higher quality center on this team. Does he know something? I'm sure he does. We just have to trust Rob on this one.
So Damian becomes the band aide to appease Vogel. But Damian may be able to be sufficient at the 5. If this happens, and if he's confirmed to be the backup to Gasol, then I suspect Rob will push for defensive wing instead of a center, and Vogel will start using Harrell at his natural position, the power forward, where he will be most effective. Remember, a front court of Lebron at the small, Harrell at the power, and AD at the center, come those certain playoff games when it's needed, will bring size, athleticism, scoring, and rebounding, with good defense to boot.
Until then, Montrez Harrell will continue to play out of position, and Vogel will continue to not use him properly, thus making both he and Vogel seem confused and inept at what they're suppose to be doing.
We can thank Rob Pelinka for that. This is all on Rob. Lets see if he can fix what he broke...
Harrell doesn't have an outside jumper so if you want to play him at the power forward spot, you need to have a stretch five who can also cover Harrell's defensive liability. AD sounds like a good compliment piece but he doesn't want to play at the center spot. You also don't want to play Harrell at the final few minutes because you want to space out the floor for LBJ.
Why not just use him exclusively as PF, he did good playing PF alongside DH amd Capela on the rockets team. Let him play his natural position and not make the same mistake as the flippers did..
If he can play with DH and Capela why not with Gasol and Jones?
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Harrell doesn't have an outside jumper so if you want to play him at the power forward spot, you need to have a stretch five who can also cover Harrell's defensive liability. AD sounds like a good compliment piece but he doesn't want to play at the center spot. You also don't want to play Harrell at the final few minutes because you want to space out the floor for LBJ.
Last night Vogel said he didn't use Trez because the Suns went small and had Saric in there....So? Trez can guard Saric easily. Instead Dudley got 11 minutes...What the hell? Let's be clear...no one would lose any sleep if Dudley neve played again this year....those minutes should have gone to Trez and he would have played 30 minutes and possibly got a win. Vogel loss. and BTW no one would lose any sleep if Matthews never played again this year. Pathetic signing.
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