Yeah Trez is coming off the bench at the 5, Marc Gasol is starting at the 5. _________________ How NBA 2K18 failed the All-Time Lakers:
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yeah, people rightfully remember his struggles against Jokic and prob the other big boys like Embiid and Gobert but we took one of AD's ferocious defender to our side. He'll be great against those 'quicker slim bigs. Montrezl would give nightmares to the Giannis, Porzingis, Zion, Ibaka, Draymond, MPJ of the leagues
yeah, people rightfully remember his struggles against Jokic and prob the other big boys like Embiid and Gobert but we took one of AD's ferocious defender to our side. He'll be great against those 'quicker slim bigs. Montrezl would give nightmares to the Giannis, Porzingis, Zion, Ibaka, Draymond, MPJ of the leagues
I love the highlights for Trez. Two things stand out from all the film I've watched so far: he has a very soft touch, and 90% of the time he's going to his right.
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Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2020 7:40 am Post subject:
manlisten wrote:
https://youtu.be/e9Dn-uV9-CE
That's a lot of lowlights for one series. Hopefully, that's not indicative of how he defends in general. _________________ "Chick lived and breathed Lakers basketball…but he was also fair and objective and called every game the way it was played."
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That's a lot of lowlights for one series. Hopefully, that's not indicative of how he defends in general.
His defense in the bubble was probably worse than normal but some of that is consistent with what I saw in the regular season. Missing rotations and slow to close out specifically. You can't really just expect those kind of things to go away with a change of scenery but hopefully we see some improvements. We're still going to be an elite defense and win the championship but Trez's defense has always had some holes. _________________ It was reminiscent of one of those Most Interesting Man in the World advertisements: "I don't always shoot 6-for-28 from the field, but when I do, I become the youngest player in league history to score 28,000 career points."
That's a lot of lowlights for one series. Hopefully, that's not indicative of how he defends in general.
His defense in the bubble was probably worse than normal but some of that is consistent with what I saw in the regular season. Missing rotations and slow to close out specifically. You can't really just expect those kind of things to go away with a change of scenery but hopefully we see some improvements. We're still going to be an elite defense and win the championship but Trez's defense has always had some holes.
That's a lot of lowlights for one series. Hopefully, that's not indicative of how he defends in general.
He’s an average defender. But the way to beat a drop coverage is with guards who can pull up and bigs who can pick and pop. I’m not sure why the Clippers thought putting Trez in drops against Murray and Jokic would be anything other than a disaster.
I see a lot of schematic flaws that Malone was able to exploit in 5 out sets.
See 1:15
Trez can't be the help defender in the key off of Jokic who's at the 3 pt line.
If he's going to do that then the other defender in the corner has to hedge towards Jokic to challenge and Trez would have to recover to the corner man for a perimeter swing.
That's how we defended that.
You could argue that he shouldn't have dropped his coverage that far off of Jokic to protect the paint against a scrub SG.
The lack of size is real.
The flat-footedness is real and will have to be corrected.
The switching onto Murray and letting him iso you from the top of the key after you follow him out beyond the 3pt line walking towards him can't happen.
These cut ups in this series look like you have severe schematic issues, then stupidly keep putting him on Jokic AND asking him to help defend (if you're going to tell a player he has to guard Jokic then you all let him know his help responsibilities are over), but I'd agree, the flat footedness technique wise can't happen.
As for the moment where he looks lost...he was. That's coaching. If a player is grieving and clearly not focused to the point where he is repeatedly compromising your entire defense then he has to sit.
Bubble Trez isn't the same Trez I've been following since Louisville. He was a suffocating defender for Pitino and he's been a plus defender for the vast majority of his career.
If Trez is your main problem as a team then you don't have a problem.
That team had problems that at every twist and turn from Owner to Doc to PG space cadet to Lou being unplayable due to his lack of defense. They had no answer for Jokic, Zu could handle him down low but would get eaten alive away from the basket. Trez could handle him on the perimeter but would get eaten alive on the block.
Jokic can do this...but Doc made ZERO adjustments throughout the series...that's not on the player...that's on the coach. _________________ "If You're Afraid To Fail...Then You're Probably Going To Fail."
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That's a lot of lowlights for one series. Hopefully, that's not indicative of how he defends in general.
His defense in the bubble was probably worse than normal but some of that is consistent with what I saw in the regular season. Missing rotations and slow to close out specifically. You can't really just expect those kind of things to go away with a change of scenery but hopefully we see some improvements. We're still going to be an elite defense and win the championship but Trez's defense has always had some holes.
You're going to be shocked what superior coaching means to team defense.
Vogel is a superior defensive HC to Doc. Thibs was the architect of the 08 run that is still getting Doc paid like he's a great coach.
He was a terrible coach in Orlando. Terrible in Boston until McHale gifted them KG. Terrible as a Yipper.
Doc has produced 2 really good teams in 21 seasons as a HC. He's a rah-rah coach and that can work in the regular season with talent. But in the playoffs where the best coaches make adjustments, he is the reason he's lost more series after being up 3-1 than all other coaches combined. _________________ "If You're Afraid To Fail...Then You're Probably Going To Fail."
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I don't care that much about his defense to be honest. He is not gonna start and he doesn't have to be on our closing lineup. I mean how many 6th man of the year plays good defense? It only becomes an issue if you want to give him a bigger role.
I don't care that much about his defense to be honest. He is not gonna start and he doesn't have to be on our closing lineup. I mean how many 6th man of the year plays good defense? It only becomes an issue if you want to give him a bigger role.
The very first SMOY, Bobby Jones, was a defensive specialist and 11x all defensive team. Then McHale, Walton, Anthony Mason, all all-defensive team guys....but pretty much since the 90s, it's been all offensive guys.
I don't care that much about his defense to be honest. He is not gonna start and he doesn't have to be on our closing lineup. I mean how many 6th man of the year plays good defense? It only becomes an issue if you want to give him a bigger role.
The very first SMOY, Bobby Jones, was a defensive specialist and 11x all defensive team. Then McHale, Walton, Anthony Mason, all all-defensive team guys....but pretty much since the 90s, it's been all offensive guys.
Ricky Pierce, Roy Tarpley, Dell Curry . . .
Jones' award was more a "body of work" award.
McHale/Walton won because of the East Coast bias (and CBS' Celtics bias) in the 80's - Michael Cooper could've easily won a couple. _________________ On Lakersground, a concern troll is someone who is a fan of another team, but pretends to be a Lakers fan with "concerns".
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Posted: Thu Dec 03, 2020 8:33 am Post subject:
Dr. Laker wrote:
Ricky Pierce, Roy Tarpley, Dell Curry . . .
Jones' award was more a "body of work" award.
McHale/Walton won because of the East Coast bias (and CBS' Celtics bias) in the 80's - Michael Cooper could've easily won a couple.
Agreed. Man, I always hated that CBS forced biased Celtic homer Tommy Heinsohn down our throats for the Finals. _________________ "Chick lived and breathed Lakers basketball…but he was also fair and objective and called every game the way it was played."
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yeah, people rightfully remember his struggles against Jokic and prob the other big boys like Embiid and Gobert but we took one of AD's ferocious defender to our side. He'll be great against those 'quicker slim bigs. Montrezl would give nightmares to the Giannis, Porzingis, Zion, Ibaka, Draymond, MPJ of the leagues
pretty much
Yep.
I think the Trez struggles against Jokic is overblown. He'll be fine.
But say he does struggle against him, It's like people think the Lakers will play Denver every game or something. _________________ 💜💛 🏆 👀 🍖 #18!!!
McHale/Walton won because of the East Coast bias (and CBS' Celtics bias) in the 80's - Michael Cooper could've easily won a couple.
Agreed. Man, I always hated that CBS forced biased Celtic homer Tommy Heinsohn down our throats for the Finals.
Effing Brent Musburger wasn't any better. He co-signed all of Heinsohn's crap and absolutely worshipped the Celtics franchise. _________________ On Lakersground, a concern troll is someone who is a fan of another team, but pretends to be a Lakers fan with "concerns".
McHale/Walton won because of the East Coast bias (and CBS' Celtics bias) in the 80's - Michael Cooper could've easily won a couple.
Agreed. Man, I always hated that CBS forced biased Celtic homer Tommy Heinsohn down our throats for the Finals.
Effing Brent Musburger wasn't any better. He co-signed all of Heinsohn's crap and absolutely worshipped the Celtics franchise.
We'd mute that and listen to Chick on the radio. It was insufferable. _________________ "If You're Afraid To Fail...Then You're Probably Going To Fail."
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Posted: Thu Dec 03, 2020 11:42 am Post subject:
CervantesRises wrote:
Dr. Laker wrote:
LandsbergerRules wrote:
Dr. Laker wrote:
Ricky Pierce, Roy Tarpley, Dell Curry . . .
Jones' award was more a "body of work" award.
McHale/Walton won because of the East Coast bias (and CBS' Celtics bias) in the 80's - Michael Cooper could've easily won a couple.
Agreed. Man, I always hated that CBS forced biased Celtic homer Tommy Heinsohn down our throats for the Finals.
Effing Brent Musburger wasn't any better. He co-signed all of Heinsohn's crap and absolutely worshipped the Celtics franchise.
We'd mute that and listen to Chick on the radio. It was insufferable.
Haha yeah, man. I'd do the same. _________________ "Chick lived and breathed Lakers basketball…but he was also fair and objective and called every game the way it was played."
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Am I the only one who thinks that if or when Trez develops a solid outside shot, he can become a legit All-Star? I could see him putting up 20-25 ppg in 35 minutes a game at that point. _________________ Lakers 49ers Chargers Dodgers
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