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danzag
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| Bol wrote: | | Not the best starting 5 talent...possible best overall talent? |
The prophecy finally came true |
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greek laker
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To be honest i m a litlle bit concerned about all this buzz that we are heavy
favourites and deeper than ever and all these things. On the other hand,
what can i say with that roster? |
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| greek laker wrote: | To be honest i m a litlle bit concerned about all this buzz that we are heavy
favourites and deeper than ever and all these things. On the other hand,
what can i say with that roster? |
As long as they put in the work. There won’t be any disrespect towards this roster. If there is, that’s just the usual haters. |
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No, I can not see a team more talented than the Shaq-Kobe-Malone-Payton Lakers. That team was so talented it was ridiculous. Literally everything that could have gone wrong in a season and after them signing, did go wrong. And yet we still end up winning the West and were in the Finals. That is pure talent ... This team is more talented than last year's team, and seems at first to have good chemistry (but very early). I do not think at the top we are as talented as the 2003-04 Lakers, even though we are more deeper. Then, you go back to the 90s and you talk about Shaq, Kobe, NVE, Eddie Jones, Horry etc type of teams, and sorry, I can not say again that this team is more talented than that.
There is some concern about all the hype around the team working against them, which is why it's good they have leaders like Frank, LBJ, etc who probably will not let them buy into their own hype too much. |
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| Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2020 7:20 am Post subject: |
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| epic_ wrote: | | Who's the Lakers 3rd best player? |
Harrell, Gasol, THT, Kuzma (on some nights)
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| Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2020 7:35 am Post subject: |
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| SocalDevin wrote: | | Gandalf wrote: | | epic_ wrote: | | Who's the Lakers 3rd best player? |
Whoever it is, he's not as good as Big Game. |
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| Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2020 7:55 am Post subject: |
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| epic_ wrote: | | McAdoo and Wilkes were shells of their hof selves in 84-85 though I believe. |
McAdoo was excellent in 84-85, and went on to play 5 more years of pro hoops between the NBA and Italy. Wilkes was done.
Go back a few years to 81-82, however, and you didn't have Worthy, but there was:
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Magic
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Nixon (All Star)
Coop (DPOY level)
Kupchak (pre injury, a SMOY candidate. Of course, if he doesn't get injured, we don't go after McAdoo).
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| Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2020 7:59 am Post subject: |
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| lakersfever714 wrote: | | epic_ wrote: | | Who's the Lakers 3rd best player? |
Harrell, Gasol, THT, Kuzma (on some nights) |
You forget KCP or leave him out on purpose? He was the third best player in the finals just a few weeks ago....
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| Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2020 8:11 am Post subject: |
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| lakersfever714 wrote: | | epic_ wrote: | | Who's the Lakers 3rd best player? |
Harrell, Gasol, THT, Kuzma (on some nights) |
Dennis, KCP
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| CervantesRises wrote: | | lakersfever714 wrote: | | epic_ wrote: | | Who's the Lakers 3rd best player? |
Harrell, Gasol, THT, Kuzma (on some nights) |
Dennis, KCP |
Caruso, Wes |
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| Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2020 8:26 am Post subject: |
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| Batguano wrote: | All this because some dude had a great game in the preseason. 
I wish I could go back and do a QFOS about every young player that Lakersground get overhyped about after a single game. I've literally seen posters comapre THT to Harden, Manu and Paul Pierce. |
Yeah we all need to slow our roll on THT but to the kid's credit, his play has raised the bar on expectations...it's not like he had two lucky games in a row.
Game 1 he was the facilitator. Game 2 he played with our 3rd best facilitator and went off.
Let's see it over a full season...but the optimism has a basis.
As to the squad...fate can be cruel, but the potential of this team is undeniable.
That 84-85 squad was ridiculous. The 72 squad was epic. I still say the best squad I ever saw was 87-88 but the 01 squad finals run was legendary and the 4Kobe squad...I've never seen a team play better defense ever.
So this squad has a lot of work to do to place themselves in that pantheon of champions...but they clearly can get there. And as much as I will give Rob and Bron credit...can Vogel and Staff get a shout out?
This dude is so freaking humble it's loveable.
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| governator wrote: | | CervantesRises wrote: | | lakersfever714 wrote: | | epic_ wrote: | | Who's the Lakers 3rd best player? |
Harrell, Gasol, THT, Kuzma (on some nights) |
Dennis, KCP |
Caruso, Wes |
That being said: The LAKERS are DEEP AF!!  |
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| Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2020 9:07 am Post subject: |
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| Bol wrote: | | Not the best starting 5 talent...possible best overall talent? |
Not the best starting #5 Talen... possible best overall Talen! |
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| Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2020 9:19 am Post subject: Re: This is the most talented Lakers team ever assembled |
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| Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | Convince me otherwise |
Until another team beats the Clippers convincingly twice in meaningless exhibition games ... you have to be right!
Oh ... wait ... that's been done many times before?
Forget it ... |
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Magic Johnson - Hall of fame
Kareem - Hall of fame
Jamaal Wilkes - Hall of fame
Bob McAdoo - Hall of fame
Norm Nixon - All star
Michael Cooper - All star
Mitch Kupchak
Rambis
Mike McGee
Early 80s Lakers were crazy talented. More talented than the mid/late 80s Lakers imo.
Current team has 2 hall of fame players.... Marc Gasol is super old; McAdoo was 30, which was old back then. But you also had Jamaal Wilkes, Norm Nixon and Michael Cooper who were clear all stars back then too.
That was the most talented teams in the modern era.
The 1970, 1971 and 1972 teams take the cake though imo in terms of pure talent.
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| silkwilkes wrote: | Magic Johnson - Hall of fame
Kareem - Hall of fame
Jamaal Wilkes - Hall of fame
Bob McAdoo - Hall of fame
Norm Nixon - All star
Michael Cooper - All star
Mitch Kupchak
Rambis
Mike McGee
Early 80s Lakers were crazy talented. More talented than the mid/late 80s Lakers imo.
Current team has 2 hall of fame players.... Marc Gasol is super old; McAdoo was 30, which was old back then. But you also had Jamaal Wilkes, Norm Nixon and Michael Cooper who were clear all stars back then too.
That was the most talented teams in the modern era.
The 1970, 1971 and 1972 teams take the cake though imo in terms of pure talent. |
To be fair, Showtime was mostly assembled before the salary cap and lottery were put in place in 1984-85. IMO, one of the reasons the salary cap was implemented was because of the talent on the Lakers. When you look at that squad:
KAJ (75), Wilkes (77), Nixon (77), Cooper (78), Magic (79), Haywood (79), Kupchak (81), McGee (81), Rambis (81), McAdoo (81), Worthy (83), Scott (83) - you couldn't assemble a team with that kind of talent today.
AC Green (draft) and Mychal Thompson (trade) came along later, post cap, and the late 80s/early 90s Lakers were fristrated by the cap as they tried to execute moves to bring more in talent via trades/signings to extend Showtime.
Were it not for the cap, I'm almost certain that Ralph Sampson would've been a Laker (before his injury).
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| I think before people answer that question they should let us know how old they are. Same goes for GOAT conversations. It's better to say a team/player is the best "In your generation" if you're under 40. |
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| Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2020 3:39 pm Post subject: |
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| Batguano wrote: | All this because some dude had a great game in the preseason.
I wish I could go back and do a QFOS about every young player that Lakersground get overhyped about after a single game. I've literally seen posters comapre THT to Harden, Manu and Paul Pierce. |
Man, do you fashion yourself as the Kyrie Irving of Laker fans? If you are indeed one. Who is a bigger resident grouch around here, VLF or Batguano? You don't like Lebron, you laugh at Laker fans excitement for THT. But at the end of the day, you're a Laker fan, right? Sure you are.  The Kyrie Irving of Laker fans. A contrarian for the sake of it. LOL!
But as for the OP's question, deeper don't mean best. 1987 Lakers are not just the best Lakers team ever, but imo, best team in NBA history, period. |
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| SocalDevin wrote: | I believe Kobe and Shaq to be superior talents to Bron and AD.. but their teams were a bit top heavy.. So I can see an argument being made for this team being more talented considering all the complimentary pieces.
I also think Kobe, Pau, and Odom are superior talents collectively than Bron and AD.. |
Kobe and Shaq were probably a little better than Bron and AD, but this team overall looks to be deeper than any of Kobe's teams though.
Problem with the Kobe era is that our drafting sucked and we only used the MLE on old guys who were almost done or crap players like Devean George.
These days we draft well and use the MLE on useful players. Glad to have Rob as our GM!
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| A good comparison for the Lakers teams for last year and this year are the Warriors, would have been interesting to see them match up with KD-Klay-Curry-Green, sucks that team got broken up. |
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We're entering overrated territory if we don't stop the crazy
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| defense wrote: | We're entering overrated territory if we don't stop the crazy
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Nah we deserve the praise, this team has the makings of a historical great team, this isn’t like the Bucks who obviously got overrated from to much hype. |
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| Dr. Laker wrote: | | silkwilkes wrote: | Magic Johnson - Hall of fame
Kareem - Hall of fame
Jamaal Wilkes - Hall of fame
Bob McAdoo - Hall of fame
Norm Nixon - All star
Michael Cooper - All star
Mitch Kupchak
Rambis
Mike McGee
Early 80s Lakers were crazy talented. More talented than the mid/late 80s Lakers imo.
Current team has 2 hall of fame players.... Marc Gasol is super old; McAdoo was 30, which was old back then. But you also had Jamaal Wilkes, Norm Nixon and Michael Cooper who were clear all stars back then too.
That was the most talented teams in the modern era.
The 1970, 1971 and 1972 teams take the cake though imo in terms of pure talent. |
To be fair, Showtime was mostly assembled before the salary cap and lottery were put in place in 1984-85. IMO, one of the reasons the salary cap was implemented was because of the talent on the Lakers. When you look at that squad:
KAJ (75), Wilkes (77), Nixon (77), Cooper (78), Magic (79), Haywood (79), Kupchak (81), McGee (81), Rambis (81), McAdoo (81), Worthy (83), Scott (83) - you couldn't assemble a team with that kind of talent today.
AC Green (draft) and Mychal Thompson (trade) came along later, post cap, and the late 80s/early 90s Lakers were fristrated by the cap as they tried to execute moves to bring more in talent via trades/signings to extend Showtime.
Were it not for the cap, I'm almost certain that Ralph Sampson would've been a Laker (before his injury). |
Look at how many #1 picks as well as lottery picks are in that lineup. Bananas.
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| Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2020 8:16 pm Post subject: Re: This is the most talented Lakers team ever assembled |
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| Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | Convince me otherwise |
I'd go with Showtime myself |
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