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PostPosted: Tue Feb 23, 2021 9:27 am    Post subject:

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The point is that Gasol needs help at the center spot, and Harrell isn't it. Harrell is a power forward. He played college as a power forward and came into the league as a power forward. Then Houston used him as a center in their small ball scheme, which led to the Clippers keeping him at the Center spot due to his offensive quickness against bigger centers. That said, he's never been a true center and as such, he's become a "liability" defensively, as Vogel has him going against players that are too big and too long for him. However, Vogel has to play Harrell at the center because Gasol is limited in what he can do.

This goes back to my main point, which is not so much to trash Gasol, but to point out that he is NOT a starting center at this stage in his career, nor does he have the efficiency of other centers that were in our reach.

The Lakers need to sign a big man to compliment Gasol, and then move Harrell to his natural position at the 4 spot. This will carry us into the post season, when AD can play the 5 during those critical times when it's necessary. But UNTIL we get to that point, we need a center tandem to handle the 5 spot chores.


6'8 is undersized even for a small forward. I think the reason Harrell plays Center is that until this season, he did not have a midrange shot.


Harrell has a 7'4 wingspan and is strong, athletic and can break down other centers off the dribble in iso and score and be a rebounding machine.

That's why he plays backup center.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 23, 2021 10:12 am    Post subject:

MJST wrote:
CandyCanes wrote:
troy wrote:
The point is that Gasol needs help at the center spot, and Harrell isn't it. Harrell is a power forward. He played college as a power forward and came into the league as a power forward. Then Houston used him as a center in their small ball scheme, which led to the Clippers keeping him at the Center spot due to his offensive quickness against bigger centers. That said, he's never been a true center and as such, he's become a "liability" defensively, as Vogel has him going against players that are too big and too long for him. However, Vogel has to play Harrell at the center because Gasol is limited in what he can do.

This goes back to my main point, which is not so much to trash Gasol, but to point out that he is NOT a starting center at this stage in his career, nor does he have the efficiency of other centers that were in our reach.

The Lakers need to sign a big man to compliment Gasol, and then move Harrell to his natural position at the 4 spot. This will carry us into the post season, when AD can play the 5 during those critical times when it's necessary. But UNTIL we get to that point, we need a center tandem to handle the 5 spot chores.


6'8 is undersized even for a small forward. I think the reason Harrell plays Center is that until this season, he did not have a midrange shot.


Harrell has a 7'4 wingspan and is strong, athletic and can break down other centers off the dribble in iso and score and be a rebounding machine.

That's why he plays backup center.


But a massive problem defensively against bigs...Sure he took Lopez to the rim but Lopez scored on him as well. He's too undersized and not the defensive anchor Vogel needs.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 23, 2021 10:41 am    Post subject:

King Randle wrote:
MJST wrote:
CandyCanes wrote:
troy wrote:
The point is that Gasol needs help at the center spot, and Harrell isn't it. Harrell is a power forward. He played college as a power forward and came into the league as a power forward. Then Houston used him as a center in their small ball scheme, which led to the Clippers keeping him at the Center spot due to his offensive quickness against bigger centers. That said, he's never been a true center and as such, he's become a "liability" defensively, as Vogel has him going against players that are too big and too long for him. However, Vogel has to play Harrell at the center because Gasol is limited in what he can do.

This goes back to my main point, which is not so much to trash Gasol, but to point out that he is NOT a starting center at this stage in his career, nor does he have the efficiency of other centers that were in our reach.

The Lakers need to sign a big man to compliment Gasol, and then move Harrell to his natural position at the 4 spot. This will carry us into the post season, when AD can play the 5 during those critical times when it's necessary. But UNTIL we get to that point, we need a center tandem to handle the 5 spot chores.


6'8 is undersized even for a small forward. I think the reason Harrell plays Center is that until this season, he did not have a midrange shot.


Harrell has a 7'4 wingspan and is strong, athletic and can break down other centers off the dribble in iso and score and be a rebounding machine.

That's why he plays backup center.


But a massive problem defensively against bigs...Sure he took Lopez to the rim but Lopez scored on him as well. He's too undersized and not the defensive anchor Vogel needs.

not necessarily an issue for the playoffs since AD will play longer minutes, and he will play alongside lebron or AD all the time. we will need him against the nets for sure. he really punishes smaller guys
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 23, 2021 11:31 am    Post subject:

CandyCanes wrote:
troy wrote:
The point is that Gasol needs help at the center spot, and Harrell isn't it. Harrell is a power forward. He played college as a power forward and came into the league as a power forward. Then Houston used him as a center in their small ball scheme, which led to the Clippers keeping him at the Center spot due to his offensive quickness against bigger centers. That said, he's never been a true center and as such, he's become a "liability" defensively, as Vogel has him going against players that are too big and too long for him. However, Vogel has to play Harrell at the center because Gasol is limited in what he can do.

This goes back to my main point, which is not so much to trash Gasol, but to point out that he is NOT a starting center at this stage in his career, nor does he have the efficiency of other centers that were in our reach.

The Lakers need to sign a big man to compliment Gasol, and then move Harrell to his natural position at the 4 spot. This will carry us into the post season, when AD can play the 5 during those critical times when it's necessary. But UNTIL we get to that point, we need a center tandem to handle the 5 spot chores.


6'8 is undersized even for a small forward. I think the reason Harrell plays Center is that until this season, he did not have a midrange shot.


But he play college ball and was recruited as a power forward. I think he had the shot, but he was just never tasked to use it.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 23, 2021 11:33 am    Post subject:

MJST wrote:
CandyCanes wrote:
troy wrote:
The point is that Gasol needs help at the center spot, and Harrell isn't it. Harrell is a power forward. He played college as a power forward and came into the league as a power forward. Then Houston used him as a center in their small ball scheme, which led to the Clippers keeping him at the Center spot due to his offensive quickness against bigger centers. That said, he's never been a true center and as such, he's become a "liability" defensively, as Vogel has him going against players that are too big and too long for him. However, Vogel has to play Harrell at the center because Gasol is limited in what he can do.

This goes back to my main point, which is not so much to trash Gasol, but to point out that he is NOT a starting center at this stage in his career, nor does he have the efficiency of other centers that were in our reach.

The Lakers need to sign a big man to compliment Gasol, and then move Harrell to his natural position at the 4 spot. This will carry us into the post season, when AD can play the 5 during those critical times when it's necessary. But UNTIL we get to that point, we need a center tandem to handle the 5 spot chores.


6'8 is undersized even for a small forward. I think the reason Harrell plays Center is that until this season, he did not have a midrange shot.


Harrell has a 7'4 wingspan and is strong, athletic and can break down other centers off the dribble in iso and score and be a rebounding machine.

That's why he plays backup center.


And he can be bullied defensively. How did PJ Tucker work out playing center against the Lakers last playoffs?
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